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Yes but we arent living in the stone age. You dont settle political differences by killing your opponents. Since when has vigilantism found support in Islam? I thought violence was the very very last resort. Still violence does breed violence, but its doesnt justify it.
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No it doesnt justify anything, but thats beside the point. Both sides are guilty equally.
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No it doesnt justify anything, but thats beside the point. Both sides are guilty equally.
Shouldnt Muslims hold themselves to higher standard, if indeed we accept that we are following principles ordained by the divine?
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How ummat reports things
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'Woolwich attack: of course British foreign policy had a role
'While nothing can justify the killing of a British soldier, the link
to Britain’s vicious occupations abroad cannot be ignored
‘I am a former soldier. I completed one tour of duty in Afghanistan,
refused on legal and moral grounds to serve a second tour, and spent
five months in a military prison as a result. When the news about the
attack in Woolwich broke, by pure coincidence Ross Caputi was crashing
on my sofa. Ross is a soft-spoken ex-US marine turned film-maker who
served in Iraq and witnessed the pillaging and irradiation of Falluja.
He is also a native of Boston, the scene of a recent homegrown terror
attack. Together, we watched the news, and right away we were certain
that what we were seeing was informed by the misguided military
adventures in which we had taken part. …’
AND
Glenn Greenwald
'Was the London killing of a British soldier ‘terrorism’?
‘What definition of the term includes this horrific act of violence
but excludes the acts of the US, the UK and its allies? …’
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Listen to this eloquent peace message from Imam of London’s Central Mosque
urges youth to improve their attitude and to educate themselves about Islam, to stay away from extremism & from propaganda websites
Audio message Click here for English
**London Imam condemns abhorrent murder of soldier in Woolwich in Friday sermon
**:: London Central Mosque Trust Ltd. & The Islamic Cultural Centre ::](http://www.iccuk.org/index.php?article=1&PHPSESSID=ht19ve2kdlfdfhqon19l84js57)
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what did this imam say about the dozen bombs that went of in Iraq this week, iraq is burning because of US and British illegal war and occupation?
what did this imam say about british participation in afghanistan did he even condemn the terrorist drones terrorising the people of afghanistan and northern pakistan?
i am guessing its a big fat NO!
maybe he doesn’t mind when muslim blood is shed doesn’t find that abhorrent that makes him a hypocrite.
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what did this imam say about the dozen bombs that went of in Iraq this week, iraq is burning because of US and British illegal war and occupation?
what did this imam say about british participation in afghanistan did he even condemn the terrorist drones terrorising the people of afghanistan and northern pakistan?
i am guessing its a big fat NO!
maybe he doesn't mind when muslim blood is shed doesn't find that abhorrent that makes him a hypocrite.
I am sure that the Imam does not approve of drones or killings of muslims in Iraq etc. but perhaps it was not the right time to talk about these things. otherwise it could be seen by some as justifying the heinous murder. Let's not find negativity in everything. He spoke the commonsense truth.
It is not right to link one crime with another crime. Besides I think there is a difference between this senseless gruesome atrocity (deliberate knifing of an unarmed soldier) and people getting killed by drone strikes, however sad and cruel.
The oppressive Arab societies and Afghanistan partly brought it upon themselves by shielding terrorists like OBL. Look at what's going on in Syria? Is it also West's fault? It seems that anarchy & violence comes naturally to some muslims
Perhaps it is a point to ponder why the West does not interfere in the affairs of stable tolerant muslim societies like Turkey and Malaysia etc.
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^ you should be glad that the imam condemned this barbaric act even though the terrorist was shouting Allahu Akbar! there are too many imams giving fiery speeches and calls for jihad.
imams giving fiery speeches and calls for jihad? that is bit of a generalised statement can you elaborate a bit more.
is giving fiery speeches haram or calling for jihad haram?
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I am sure that the Imam does not approve of drones or killings of muslims in Iraq etc. but perhaps it was not the right time to talk about these things. otherwise it could be seen by some as justifying the heinous murder. Let's not find negativity in everything. He spoke the commonsense truth.
It is not right to link one crime with another. Besides I think there is a difference between this senseless gruesome atrocity (deliberate knifing of soldier) and people getting killed by drone strikes, however sad and cruel.
The oppressive Arab societies and Afghanistan partly brought it upon themselves by shielding terrorists like OBL. Look at what's going on in Syria? Is it also West's fault? It seems that anarchy & violence comes naturally to some muslims
Perhaps it is a point to ponder why the West does not interfere in the affairs of stable tolerant muslim societies like Turkey and Malaysia etc.
So basically you said the muslims deserve to die they bought it on themselves they are barbarians and naturally violent.
and the british soldier who killed muslims in afghanistan it was horrible he died because he had the white skin and enlgish passport and because Great Britain has been a non colonialist peaceful country for hundreds of years which has never exploited or destroyed nations.
I am still in shock at what you have posted you blaming the victims of colonial aggression and saying its their own fault, you need to sort yourself out my man !!!!!!!
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No I didn't say that, It is you who are generalising. You need to read my post again. I gave you very specific examples. And yeah it does seem that violence comes naturally to 'some' muslims. Look at Libya, Iraq, Egypt and Syria etc., I mean the rulers and their autocratic regimes .... hardly shining examples of tolerance and humanity
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So basically you said the muslims deserve to die they bought it on themselves they are barbarians and naturally violent.
and the british soldier who killed muslims in afghanistan it was horrible he died because he had the white skin and enlgish passport and because Great Britain has been a non colonialist peaceful country for hundreds of years which has never exploited or destroyed nations.
I am still in shock at what you have posted you blaming the victims of colonial aggression and saying its their own fault, you need to sort yourself out my man !!!!!!!
Oh the phoney outrage! I just hope you're not in one of the evil western country & indeed are in NWFP b/c IP is traceable FYI. :P
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And who is blowing up those Muslims in Iraq? Netanyahu?
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How to Make a Bad Situation Worse!
**Crazed extremists batter prison guard in assault sparked by death of Drummer Lee Rigby
**
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-crazed-extremists-batter-1916959#ixzz2Ua1PuQEg
Prison staff feared their colleague, locked in a room and being attacked by crazed extremists, was facing the same gruesome death as murdered soldier Lee Rigby.
The terrified officer, in his 30s, was finally freed by a specialist riot squad who stormed the room where he was held for five hours and beaten mercilessly by the extremists, who told him he would die.
And the vicious assault was sparked by a simple call from a prison imam to pray for drummer Lee who was butchered in the street last week near his barracks in Woolwich, South East London.
The ringleader of the prison attack flew into a rage at the request, insisting the 25-year-old’s murder was justified.
**Recruiting two fellow Muslims, an African-born fanatic and a British convert, they kidnapped the guard on Sunday and bundled him into a cleaning room at Full Sutton jail near York.
Once inside, he was battered senseless with mop handles. The yobs threatened to pour caustic toilet cleaner into his eyes.
**
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^ looks like lot of people outraged by the British Authorities and what they doing abroad.
But i am sure majority of the muslims in UK are getting on with their daily lives and not resorting to violence because they disagree with the UK governments misadventures abroad.
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So basically you said the muslims deserve to die they bought it on themselves they are barbarians and naturally violent.
and the british soldier who killed muslims in afghanistan it was horrible he died because he had the white skin and enlgish passport and because Great Britain has been a non colonialist peaceful country for hundreds of years which has never exploited or destroyed nations.
I am still in shock at what you have posted you blaming the victims of colonial aggression and saying its their own fault, you need to sort yourself out my man !!!!!!!
Colonialism ended over 60 years ago, well before you were even born. So i dont know why colonialism should be a concern 60 plus years on.
And the area you live in was hardly under colonial rule...
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Many British Muslims vented their anger at the two 'so-called muslim' murderers in today's London Metro newspaper under the headline
All true muslims have had enough of these 'personal jihads'
A few notable comments:
I am a young Muslim woman who is proud to be British. The senseless murder of Lee Rigby has sickened the majority of peace-loving muslims. My thoughts and prayers are with his family & friends. To these individuals who have done this heinous deed in the name of Allah, I say to you and those of you who have murderous thoughts, please don't use my Islam as a means to your deluded way of life. We have had enough of your 'personal hijads' and rhetoric that has no resemblance to true Islam. It is not an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth; to turn the other cheek is how all true muslims conduct their lives
Merely shouting the name of Allah doesn't make one a Muslim. Islam is a religion of action rather than affiliation. If a criminal perpetrates his criminality, other Muslims don't treat him like a hero. He is a villain as his actions are not justified in Islam. There is no ongoing violence against Muslims in Britain, so no jihad is justified. People of the type who killed Drummer Lee Rigby think what they do is in the name of religion. It clearly isn't. I don't understand what part of the word Islam (peace) is not understood by these types of converts.
Lee Rigby was a true hero. My thoughts are with his family. If anyone thinks the murder of an unarmed man is in the name of Allah, then shame on you. Don't inflict your extremist views on me. Islam promotes peace not war
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Colonialism ended over 60 years ago, well before you were even born. So i dont know why colonialism should be a concern 60 plus years on.
And the area you live in was hardly under colonial rule...
what a ridiculous statement. Colonialism is here and now in 2013 nothing has changed.
who put the corrupted rulers in power the same people stealing the resources of the land and when they no longer listen its time for regime change.
Even an ardent secularist like yourself is not going sell this lie. so please!
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If this was a muslim that said this i suggest he read the quran [al-Maa’idah 5:51]
no one supports killing an unarmed man in the street but equally you cannot praise a so called soldier whose jobs was machine gunner on tanks in afghanistan killing other muslims.
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There you go…
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what a ridiculous statement. Colonialism is here and now in 2013 nothing has changed.
who put the corrupted rulers in power the same people stealing the resources of the land and when they no longer listen its time for regime change.
Even an ardent secularist like yourself is not going sell this lie. so please!
You dont even know what colonialism is. You just have penchant for inane cliches. Ranting without even the slightest thought, just like always.
Your rulers not listening to you is not an example of colonialism.
