Breaking News: ISI and Intelligence Bureau

ehtasab · July 28, 2008, 3:18pm

I understand your frustration, disappointment and what not with MQM but calling them as a wing of ISI is just plain hilarious

sorry couldn’t help the laugh.

Altaf Hussein/MQM is only a tool, not part of ISI. Just like Bugti, pashtoon separatists, GM Syed too(?), all they want is crack the nation’s foundation because their strings are in other hands MQM does the same thing.

Aalsi · July 28, 2008, 7:37pm

Some of the headlines are quite interesting on the U-Turn by the govt.

Govt steps back on ISI control issue

Govt steps back on ISI control issue

Failed coup against ISI was to appease US

Failed coup against ISI was to appease US

How decision was reversed so soon
How decision was reversed so soon

ISI fiasco

ISI fiasco

Govt embarrassed over ISI issue

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\07\28\story_28-7-2008_pg1_7

Govt forced to withdraw ISI decision

Govt forced to withdraw ISI decision -DAWN - Top Stories; July 28, 2008

Loose cannon confounds confusion!

Confusion at work

Spock · July 28, 2008, 7:44pm

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Aalsi, what are your thoughts about the ISI?

Aalsi · July 28, 2008, 8:11pm

Spock bhaijan. ISI was something that was started by Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, and PPP now wants it back under its wings. Whether it happens or not is another thing. I am not fussed either way.

Spock · July 28, 2008, 8:15pm

But I didnt ask who created it, I just wanted to know what you think about it, and its 'under cover' operations, that it has carried out, including the ones during the reign of the great dictator from 99-08.

Aalsi · July 28, 2008, 8:31pm

Spock bhaijan. You seem to know more than me. I guess we need to have a UN inquiry to find out which 'under cover' operations you are talking about - can you elaborate?

I am happy for a UN inquiry to take place. Are you also OK with it too?

Spock · July 28, 2008, 8:58pm

Kis cheez ki inquiry bhai , I just want to know what you think of the operations of the ISI, afterall it is a spy agency is it not? Did you know its headed by Sahba Musharraf’s nephew?

Aalsi · July 28, 2008, 9:14pm

Spock bhaijan. Please read your post number 65, then my reply, then you will have your answer to your question.

ehtasab · July 28, 2008, 9:28pm

Seems like you are following steps of "Great Zardari"

Aalsi · July 28, 2008, 9:39pm

ehtasab bhaijan. Do you know which ‘under cover’ operations Spock bhaijan is referring to? He obviously does not want to share the info he allegedly has.

Spock · July 28, 2008, 9:42pm

So are you saying ISI is not a spy agency? We dont need the UN to determine that, so no need for your inquiries. Since you disguise yourself to be Indian, what do you have to say about the Indian allegations about the ISI’s role in destabilizing their country, considering it is being headed by Musharraf’s nephew?

Aalsi · July 28, 2008, 9:48pm

Hahahaha. Spock bhaijan. No need to embarrassed. Can you please tell us which ‘under cover’ operations you are referring to in rely number 65? Why are you so scared of a UN inquiry. Maybe you can forward your evidence to them?

ehtasab · July 28, 2008, 9:48pm

How about formation of IJI as starter, making videos of judges’ families to blackmail etc. Playing innocent doesn’t take anyone too far.

Spock · July 28, 2008, 10:07pm

You are the one who is too embarrassed to answer my friend, because no matter how hard you try that disguise failed yet again! Unless you are saying the ISI isnt a spy organization, post 65 is spot on. So what is the ISI if its not an intelligence network? I would really like to know. Also, the ISI is headed by Musharraf’s nephew and is accused by India to have caused alot of trouble, including most recently in Ahmedabad and Bangalore, so what do you have to say about that

Spock · July 28, 2008, 10:08pm

lol again he will conveniently ignore all that :

Aalsi · July 29, 2008, 7:24am

Hahahaha. Spock bhaijan, thank you for your replies. But once again failed to provide evidence for the ‘under cover’ operations you referred to in reply number 65? If you have the evidence, can you can please forward these to the UN and the Indian govt so that the culprits of the heinous crimes perpetrated on Indian soils, and elsewhere in the world, can be caught and brought to justice?

If you have no evidence, then were you just making allegations for the sake of making them? Surely not?

CM · July 29, 2008, 9:12am

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One question. What UN Inquiry? Last I heard it had not been set up yet.

Ambassador1 · July 29, 2008, 1:23pm

CJ drama , Red mosque and all those troubles were created only to bring down the Mush's govt. Because he had mingled up with the country's mafia party MQM. MQM successfully exploited Mush on the instructions of their masters. This will always remain a problem with any Pakistani leader except for as IK said, unless there is a non-greedy leader "jis ka pait bhara hua ho". Only such leadership can keep a check on the rest of the corrupt officials. Otherwise these agencies will continue to exploit these greedy leaders and they will continue to be exploited.

hanibal:

well thats another side of the coin, but tell me, if only we had the right Justice system installed, the right leadership will be evolved and that leadership will stand against such expoiltation, no matter what ISI or entire establishment has to say or do, Justice Iftikhar is an example, he stood against the strongest dictator of all time and due to his few decision, public of Pakistan supported him, against the will of govt, against the will of ISI may be, all because he showed some character.

But when the govts of NS, BB used to be dissolved, people of pakistan (regardless their affiliation or loyalty to the parties) use to celebrate, even own if Most unpopular president of Pakistan dissolves the current govt. people will not come out on street as they have seen that Asif Zardari and his party lack the tendency to solve their problems.

This is where ISI or any agency ( internal or external) can intefere, so it all goes down to the characteristics of the leadership.

Ambassador1 · July 29, 2008, 1:29pm

MQM, on their masters command, successfully exploited Mush. The first two years of his rule were not bad. That's what was not liked by the enemies so they had to first exploit him which worked (as has worked with any past leadership of Pakistan) and then create all those internal chaos and successfully spread propaganda through media. Hmm, the day Mush shook hands with MQM started the days of his fall.

Ambassador1 · July 29, 2008, 1:33pm

MQM - the mini terror party within Karachi could be a wing of RAW actually which is again an indian subsidury of CIA… just like ISI. To monitor and manage Pakistan’s internal affairs and report to CIA.