No doubt about that, but who wants all of the above, Only patriotic pakistanies, rest including Western Powers and their A lickers want ISI to be dissolved as it is one of the major Hurdle to dismental Pakistan.
No one is going to destroy Pakistan except Pakistanis themselves & we doing darn good job of it too.
As for ISi.... it is a thuggish terr organization & its responsible for destroying basic foundation of the nation & to give them credit for bringing to down or stopping soviets from invading Pakistan is travesty of history. USSR went down b/c it was build on hollow foundation....along with almost limitless money from Uncle Sam & global jihadis who fought and died for no reason.
No one is going to destroy Pakistan except Pakistanis themselves & we doing darn good job of it too.
As for ISi.... it is a thuggish terr organization & its responsible for destroying basic foundation of the nation & to give them credit for bringing to down or stopping soviets from invading Pakistan is travesty of history. USSR went down b/c it was build on hollow foundation....along with almost limitless money from Uncle Sam & global jihadis who fought and died for no reason.
Shamraz I have always respected your logical posts but I have a question or two.
What basic foundations of the nation exactly? We all know that the democratic process was destroyed by Bhutto in the 70s. That has not been re-established since then. National institutions have been forced to play politics, choosing sides within the establishment in favour of one party or another.
It was rather common during the political era to send jahil's as ambassador's to different countries due to their political allegiances. Anyway back to the question what basic foundations?
Secondly no one credits the ISI of destroying the USSR. They did it to themselves. However the ISI should be credited with protecting our national interest. An unfriendily India with the soviet union on our other border does not make for a very safe Pakistan.
Name one country that would allow itself to get surrounded by enemies and not take any action to safe guard its own national sovereignty.
No one is going to destroy Pakistan except Pakistanis themselves & we doing darn good job of it too.
As for ISi.... it is a thuggish terr organization & its responsible for destroying basic foundation of the nation & to give them credit for bringing to down or stopping soviets from invading Pakistan is travesty of history. USSR went down b/c it was build on hollow foundation....along with almost limitless money from Uncle Sam & global jihadis who fought and died for no reason.
U mean to say Uncle just throw money to anyone, or it was given on the case buit by ISI,
ISI has to do, what it has done to protect geographical location of Pakistan, Unluckyly Pakistan has been handicapped by the politicians who represents the 5% of the total population.
ISI have to fight on both fronts, internal front is to play with these thug politicians and make then harmless for the country, to play with a thug, one have to think like one, secondly they have to keep our arch rivals in its boundaries.
Tell me how many countries are there in the world who faces the same number of threats that Pakistan have to live with?
All it means in simple words is that before ISI (and its internal wing MQM) and IB were funtioning in conjuction with military services and reporting to CIA but now it will be functioning in conjection with the mininstry of interior for the purpose of sharing of much more confidential info under this ministry so that destablizing Pakistan is easier than ever before due to sharing of the confidential national info and resources.
In other words, the terror parties (CIA, IB, MQM) within Pakistan will now have much more control than ever before in running the government of Pakistan.
Dissolving of Mushy's govt. happened cz despite his incompetence, he still dared to reject commands of CIA which he thought did not suit national interests but Pakistan's new government has crossed all the boundaries of corruption. They'r following ISI (CIA's) every order tilting its tail like a loyal dog. Mushy was not that bad. That's why his govt had to be dissolved.
No doubt ISI (MQM), IB and some traitors from the other agencies of Pakistan are responsible for corrupting every new leader who comes into power and being the ‘bhookay nangay greedy’ politicians that they are sell their souls to these agencies and let them (infact help them) destabilize Pakistan from its roots.
It will be a delight to know that these agencies are not allowed to function within Pakistan at all but I doubt that is the case. Placing these agencies under ministry of interior or make them report o them either means:
Sharing of the confidentional national info and resources with these agencies now hence, making it easier to destroy Pakistan further and quicker.
or that now Ministry of interior has recruited CIA agents to work in this ministry at key positions so that there is less resistance to ISI, IB and other traitors including greedy politicians in the destruction of Pakistan.
Besides, I heard that Rehman Malik holds some key position in Pakistan’s ministry of interior.
Just to correct you, the corrupt governments of Pakistan report to ISI (not the other way round) because ISI, IB and other traitors (but mainly ISI), pay these greedy, materialistic politician enough to live the luxurious lives they always dreamed to live while playing 'gulli danda' on the streets of Pakistan. So they sell their souls and allow them to chew Pakistan from its roots.
And ISI does not report to the chief of army staff but to CIA. Because it is just like a subsidury of CIA in Pakistan which works for money just like CIA. Want a good life but no recognition? Join CIA or ISI if you're in Pakistan. CIA, ISI are made up of:
Thugs like Altaf Hussain
Traitors of Pakistan with vast experience in the military and knowledge of secret national info
Some new or not so old ambitious but highly capable and patriotic cadets from the army or other agencies.
Majority of these new cadets I mentioned about in no. 3 join the army to serve the country and later are offered jobs with ISI or they themselves make effort to join ISI not knowing what they are heading to. When they come to know of the reality of ISI and that it is actually working for money, not for Pakistan, they are not allowed to leave. Either they disappear (incase during their stay they had access to the sensitive info about the reality of ISI) and no one comes to know or they leave but with a number of restrictions on their movements in and outside the country. So they are incapable of informing the rest of 'bewaqoof, jahil' public of Pakistan who is responsible for the state of Pakistan is in. And whoever wants to wake the public after leaving ISI is not left alive to tell the truth to rest of the new ambitious cadets. This way the cycle continues.
The ISI does not report to the chief of the army staff but the government. There are too many agencies in Pakistan duplicating each others work without any clear boundaries. There is a need to rationalise the agencies and clearly define each ones role.
Government can never control ISI (CIA) but the government itself will continue to be controlled by these agencies if they continue to to be exploited into living luxurious lives with so many benefits for them and their immediate relatives / friends. If a politician is slightly less corrupt or offers resistance in accepting these benefits of selling his mother land, he faces things like Zia Ul Haq, Benazir Bhutto, Imran Khan, Mushy depending on their resistance level. More resistance by a plitician into being exploited, more is the severity of the situation.
It might be argued that the military dictators are an easy tool of the ISI. It is highly unlikley the government will control the ISI but it would be nice if they stopped playing a negative role in neighbourng states affairs.
You're getting to it but this move is definitely not for making the traitors of Pakistan be accountable for every national asset. It is actually going to give ISI an upper hand especially with the latest and most corrupt goverment in Pakistan to date. ISI is controlling this govt. much more eaily than ever before because of least or no resistance at all (to sell their souls to them).
I agree with Arshad.
This maybe good news because every assett of Pakistan should be accounted for, but i'm not so sure if the Govt. will actually be able to influence ISI. It might rather be that ISI influences the Govt.
And yes it's still not too late to do so but for that we need strong, authoritative, visionary, wise, intelligent, patriotic, non-greedy leaders (Imran Khan?), not a bunch of crooks.
I don't think ISI has any usefulness for the country beside creating the mess that we're in. It should've been disbanded ages ago.
Totally agreed. Except for.... it is CIA which works for money NOT for US.
This is yet another move to dismantle Pakistan. US is working on many fronts to achieve this goal. Rehman Malik is rumoured to be a CIA agent, installed in a key position (even if he is unelected) by Mr 10% on US instructions in exchange for selling his soul (NRO).
There has been pressure from US that ISI is responsible for many of the terrorsim activities. They have said that ISI is a "global curse" and a major sponsor of Jihad in neighboring countries.
These politicians do not realise that how government servants (military, intelligence, bureaucrats, etc) would respect them and would let them loot and plunder the country peacefully when they know that these people are crooks and thugs in sheep clothing. So, regardless of who controls ISI, IB or whatever government departments, as long as Pakistani political system would send crooks and thugs in parliament whose only purpose in parliament would be to loot, plunder, and work for their selfish benefits, things would never change.
Very intelligent point but how could you expect a CIA subsidury to work for Pakistan and not be a threat to the national security of Pakistan?
Difference is that CIA and Mossad served their countries well, regardless of what they did to other people in world. ISI, on the other hand, had some of its policies which turned out to be a national security threat to Pakistan itself. For example, creation and support of Taliban, IJI.
By the time, Zia recognised the game, it was too late and CIA could not leave him on his own to reverse / correct things. They played the same game with Mushy but being a 'modern' times army man, he recognised earlier and got off the power with some reconcilation before it was too late.
Don't you think one of the most problematic political ethnic party is MQM created by ISI and Zia-ul-Haq in the 80s? When you say political system, the way government is run, MQM is very much part of this system for the last more than two decades.
Very intelligent post BUT a huge misunderstanding on your part to think that ISI has to get itself involved with the plitical scene to PROTECT Pakistan.
ISI has to involve itself in the government functions to make sure the political leaders and major key ministers, bureaucrats, etc. of Pakistan forever remain exploited for the love of money and never wake up and come out of their 'sharabi and kababi' way of life to worry about the state of the country.
I think most of American thinks that CIA was involved in Assassination of Kennedy and they blame CIA as we blame ISI for creating mess at international and domestic level.
In case of Pakistan, where half of the leaders are corrupt and other half have openly admitted that Pakistan is a sin and/or mistake, ISI has to have its political wing and have to dilute the poison with poison.
I know ISI has been involved in forming and dissolving govts, but dont u think so it is because we have dumbest and/or opportunist leaders running the show, Only if these leaders had character, honesty and loyalty to the Country and been working for the people of Pakistan, ISI may have not involved domestically, but The purpose of formation of ISI is to protect Paksitan from both internal and foreign dangers, so they have to be involved in both fronts.
Initially yes, but not anymore. Now ISI is nothing but a mini CIA within Pakistan.
U mean to say Uncle just throw money to anyone, or it was given on the case buit by ISI,
ISI has to do, what it has done to protect geographical location of Pakistan, Unluckyly Pakistan has been handicapped by the politicians who represents the 5% of the total population.
ISI have to fight on both fronts, internal front is to play with these thug politicians and make then harmless for the country, to play with a thug, one have to think like one, secondly they have to keep our arch rivals in its boundaries.
Tell me how many countries are there in the world who faces the same number of threats that Pakistan have to live with?
Very intelligent post BUT a huge misunderstanding on your part to think that ISI has to get itself involved with the plitical scene to PROTECT Pakistan.
ISI has to involve itself in the government functions to make sure the political leaders and major key ministers, bureaucrats, etc. of Pakistan forever remain exploited for the love of money and never wake up and come out of their 'sharabi and kababi' way of life to worry about the state of the country.
well thats another side of the coin, but tell me, if only we had the right Justice system installed, the right leadership will be evolved and that leadership will stand against such expoiltation, no matter what ISI or entire establishment has to say or do, Justice Iftikhar is an example, he stood against the strongest dictator of all time and due to his few decision, public of Pakistan supported him, against the will of govt, against the will of ISI may be, all because he showed some character.
But when the govts of NS, BB used to be dissolved, people of pakistan (regardless their affiliation or loyalty to the parties) use to celebrate, even own if Most unpopular president of Pakistan dissolves the current govt. people will not come out on street as they have seen that Asif Zardari and his party lack the tendency to solve their problems.
This is where ISI or any agency ( internal or external) can intefere, so it all goes down to the characteristics of the leadership.
All it means in simple words is that before ISI (and its internal wing MQM) and IB were funtioning in conjuction with military services and reporting to CIA but now it will be functioning in conjection with the mininstry of interior for the purpose of sharing of much more confidential info under this ministry so that destablizing Pakistan is easier than ever before due to sharing of the confidential national info and resources.
** In other words, the terror parties (CIA, IB, MQM) within Pakistan will now have much more control than ever before in running the government of Pakistan.
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Dissolving of Mushy's govt. happened cz despite his incompetence, he still dared to reject commands of CIA which he thought did not suit national interests but Pakistan's new government has crossed all the boundaries of corruption. They'r following ISI (CIA's) every order tilting its tail like a loyal dog. Mushy was not that bad. That's why his govt had to be dissolved.
The terror party you mentioned, the MQM, was a part of Musharraf's Govt. They were like his loyal dogs, taking his orders, May 12th being a good example.