Breaking News: Another Bomb blast in Lahore

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If this attack was conceived, planned and executed by the guys who carried out the last step of detonating the bombs then of course people responsble for these attacks will no longer be able to carry out attacks

To me carrying out an attack includes planning, financing, procuring the explosives, and execution of the plan.
Not all the people who are responsible for the attacks carry out the last step in my opinion.

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Thats what I believe too, so the responsible people are not the only ones who carried out the attack but also the ones who planned, financed, material support, execution, moral support ... correct? Shouldn't there be "root-cause" blame as well?

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so in my previous example if a judge sentences a murderer to death and his brother comes and kills the judges family, sure we can say had teh judge not given a death sentence to a murderer, the murderers brother would not have killed the judge's family..sure we can say that as well. it did play a role in it.

what do we want to do then? tell judges to stop giving death penalties to murderers?

lets be clear here, dodging to focus on some 'root causes' does not change the fact that some barbarians launched suicide attacks against innocent people. does that now give you or I license to go kill anyone who we think is related to tribal area or anyone who we think supports their ideology because of the way he looks or talks? or his kids. cuz hey...rootcause of my action is that some morons launched suicide attacks in my cities.

are you willing to absolve the perpetrators of teh carnage on 5/12 in Karachi by attributing the rootcause to others?

if we want to play rootcause tennis, it will have no end really. and it could be used to justify any action anywhere, because rootcauses have root causes. goign back to adam, and then we can just blame god for creating humans to begim with cuz that is the rootcause of it all I suppose.

PS: I am not stopping yourself from taking greater responsibility for this, please feel free to do so.

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My sympathies to all affected. May there be peace for all soon

Sri Rama Jayam

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Death toll upto 31 now, approx. 160 wounded.

Geo released a footage of the front gate surveilance cam for F.I.A. building, a pickup truck rammed thru the gate, striking a guard (who died because he was struck at such high speed).

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Pakistan is a chaos 24/7. Why blame Bharat?

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Inna Lillahi Wa Ilaihi Raajioon

Extremely sad news. May Allah bring peace in Pakistan. Ameen

Ofcourse people who carry these attacks are spineless jacks but where are the law enforcement agencies? Why there is no crack down on such people? I mean we keep hearing about these attacks but we hardly hear that someone has been arrested.
Fraudz, I don't quite agree with your analogy of judges... I am sorry but it doesn't quite makes sense with this situation....

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We'll not be able to solve this problem until the Pakistani people stop "justifying" the acts of tribal people as a rational reaction to Lal Masjid incident. When I studied in Pakistan, the "Islamic Studies" books emphasized that Islam was a blessing for the Arab culture as it liberated them from traditions of revenge killing and endless bloodshed. If the religiously inclined people in Pakistan keep justifying these acts as legitimate revenge (that too against innocent people), they have a lot to learn about Islam they claim to love so much.

Now if pockets of tribal people want to continue these atrocities, and if it really is a revenge of their perceived greivances, then let's call it that, but for God's sake stop hiding behind Islam then, and don't defend the tribals as the torch bearers of Islam that you want us to follow into heaven (on our polio-ridden legs I suppose?)

If its' just a revenge, then are we also going to allow the criminals prosectured by our government to kill innocent people as a 'revenge' ? The people holed up in Lal Masjid were not killed indescriminately. They were challenging the writ of the state, trying to establish their own government within the government, and as a result, were asked to turn themselves in to the government. They ones who did, were let go safely. The remaining chose to stay in and fight. What should have been done. Next time a Police squad corners a bunch of thungs in a building, do you just want them to say oh sorry, you may go free because you refuse to surrender?

Now all those people talking about "negotiating" with these people. Please note the following:

The deal can't be that you stop suicide bombing and we'll never enter your areas. We could have done that, but then these guys start staging against attacks across the border and also harbor people who plan to commit terrorist acts against other countries. If this is being done in Pakistani areas, Pakistan is responsible for that. Is Pakistan at war with U.S. ? Is Paksitan at war with Afghanistan? If not, then we cannot allow these people to drag us up into a war with other countries. IF they continue doing so, they are criminals and terrorists and should be treated as such.

The only deal can be, that you live peacefully in your areas, following whatever prehistoric barbaric traditions you like, and we'll leave you alone as long as you don't indulge in cross border adventures. Now, you have seen that in the recnet past, they have often bombed the meetings of tribal elders who were discussing various peace options. These people won't even refrain from killing their own people, just to create anarchy and a culture of violence in which their warlord status statys in tact. And you call them "Muslims", and "Innocent" and just reacting to their grievances. Oh come on...

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Lusi, when ppl want to put the burden of the blame on 'root causes' and not on the ppl who are masterminding, planning, financing, and executing these attacks then the ridiculousness of their stance can only be explained by extreme examples.

You are free to disagree however.

btw when there is a crackdown on such scum and ppl who have knowingly harboured them then we will hear boo hoo about innocents being targeted, and then that used as another 'root cause' excuse when another one of their ideological brethren goes and blows up innocent civilians

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sir dig a lot, excellent points.

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The "jarr" of all this is money. Cut off the financial aid and there will be no buying bombs and there will be no clients/costumers.
As long as USA will keep on playing the double game, nor our country nor any other country will be safe of these morons.

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good post Diggie.

Surprisingly there are some still claiming India had anything to do with these bombings

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Keep ignoring the facts and the root causes and you'll find yourself and all of us really, in **** so deep, we wont be able to come out of.

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StirCrasy please respect and accept the view of others as much as we respect and accept your opinion, although we dont have to agree on each other.
RAW is a threat to our country. Period.

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Sharaabi: where do you stop the "chain" of root causes then. If the root cause of this is Lal Masjid and operations in tribal areas, then the root cause of that was cross border terrorist in Afghanistan. if the root cause of that was American presence in U.S, then the root cause of that was 9/11...so on and so forth...

so i guess while all these root causes exist (and they will, because they are in the PAST), we should let people commit murder and mayhem...

oh wait...but we are Muslims and we were taught that Islam was here to end the bloodshed caused by 'root causes'.... never mind then... carry on.....

I think you should meet the bereaved of this attack, and tell them that the death of their loved ones had a 'root cause'.... maybe they'll offer you pulao and biryani.

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keep ignoring logic

dig a lot noted root causes pretty well.

I have no issues with a bunch of inbred turbinators from blowing each other up or going back to blowing each other. not my problem. But when they endanger the nation then there is a problem. when they think that they can enforce their ideology by force like they tried to do in lal masjid, then I have an issue.

The issue only arose when they used the soil of pakistan to launch attacks outside, and harboring fugitives that they kept cliaming were not present. Heck afterall these animals killed their own tribal elders who were responding to govts calls for dialogue. and then their cheerleading buddies starting yip yaping all around about how noble and what nost these assclowns are ...thus poisoning minds and misdirecting ppl.

whats your solution? let these guys off the hook, let them continue to attack? let them continue to endanger the nation, let them continue t attack anyone they want in the country and have ppl makin excuses for them? oh ji bacch ahai, iss ki ghalti naheen hai, asal mein is ka basta cheen liya tha na ji, toh ji woh lkarai ho gayee..bas ji, rehnay dain ji...

as far as deep *? the day there is some other major attack and its tracked back to planning in FATA..that is the day these ppl, their pals, and unfortunately innocent ppl who did not agree with these punks or their cheerleaders, will see what being in deep * really is.

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This is what i could get out of your mile-long post.

**Firstly **you do not want them to fight this war under the banner of Islam, because you do not agree with that version of Islam.
You on the other hand INITIATED and are continuing this war under the banner of Democracy, which they do not agree with. We have no right to challenge their interpretation of Islam because we have rejected Islam as a system of life in favor of democracy, capitalism, secularism and all these other isms.

Secondly *you want a nation, proud as the mountains in which they live, to live like sheep.
And by that you mean, not to help their people. Their muslim brothers across the border, the Muslim brothers who approach them for help and shelter, and bow down to whatever gets shoved at them from the arrogant lot living on the eastern side of the country.You do notice they are tribals and tribals have certain customs, and apparently you are challenging those very customs of theirs. It wont work!
Frankly i don't think they give a flying *
about what you think about them. Seriously, you wanna shoot'em, burn'em, nuke'em ?....they live for this!

I am still amazed we still haven't figured out how deep a **** we're already in!

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If we had a strong Police and counter terrorism force, then we could have avoided some of these suicide bombings. This is getting old. Right now it’s too easy to commit any level of crime in Pakistan without getting caught. Nutjobs are everywhere but we don’t hear that many incidents in Western countries because of their strong law enforcement agencies. For once I like to see heavy investments made on our internal security agencies. Install cameras at strategic locations, seal the borders, revamp the whole internal security setup, recruit highly professional cops, I don't know..anything that can keep our our country little safer. Take some major steps without going to the extremes. You just cannot hope to root out the terrorists by bombing certain places. Our government should be on high alert all the time and be pro-active when there is any indication of terrorism. We react only when there is an incident

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Ali_R - sure.

If you say "Raw is threat" that is an opinion.
If you say "Raw did this bombing" that is an accusation.

Anyway, I hope things improve for all of us soon and the only confrontation is in th ecricket field, that too batting and bowling

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First of all, "who are they helping" -- What do your Afghan "brothers" need help with? Have their beards been rendered clear or are they forbidden from riding their ankles, or are they being kept away from masjids?

Secondly, suicide bombings don't help anybody. Who were they helping when they bombed the tribal elders' jirga?