Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)

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So, basically you want appeasement followed by surrender to mullah omar and osama? Good luck with that, because sure as hell Sindh will not be part of this new Terroristan comprising of Punjab and Pushtunistan.

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It's called using one's brain to think. Many of us predicted blowback, but others like you just never listened. Once the jihadi genie was out of the bottle, the results were completely predictable. Post 9/11 acts just expedited it and lal masjid was one such catalyst to refocus jihadi's towards Pakistan. Just read the jihadi's own stated agenda, don't need to believe me.

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Actually i m a true pakistani, a pakistan which got independence through the struggle of the lawyers and politician and not from the Army... A Pakistan which Quaid gave us... no sect, group or gang should take the rights of the other group or sect.

When the army is killing the innocent people and i totally believe that hundreds of innocent people are and were killed by the army then i don't think i can side with the army...

If these people r guilty put up a trial, and punish them... but without putting any proof and just killing is never accepted in any civilized land. Next time i say Sindhis r extremist then should people believe me.? Without the courts and independent judiciary no civilization has ever survived... We have to realise this.

I have spend time in quite a few different places, in all four province of Pakistan and i can tell you that no group is extremist until or unless you push them to the wall... yes i believe i will be extremist under such condition if i m blamed without being given a chance to proof my innocence... i think every human is like that...

We have never faced any extremism from that places.. we have lived 55 years in peace and tranquility and now all of sudden they have extremist, this surely means something is being done terribly wrong... you don't treat your brothers like this...

yes, if any aggression is done against Sindhis or Balochis then i will voice my anger and discontent equally strongly against it... We have to realise this that we have won independence politically and our survival is in political dialogue... We made he mistake with the Bangladeshi, yes we took their rights without giving them the chance to argue and have their voice... and Quaid's Pakistan and my Pakistan paid a very heavy price... i don't want to repeat such thing..

Pakistan can survice without Army... yes i totally believe it, we survived it initially and we can survive again, but we can't survive without giving the people their rights. without having independent and free judiciary...

For 55 years this extemism never caused any trouble never spread to any other land... and its never going to spread or cause any trouble as long as we r going to respect their independence and their right of free living..

I hope we can think for Pakistan and only for Pakistan... these r tough times honestly and we decission to be made without involving our ego..

May Allah Bless us in this most Blessed Month..

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Is there any proof from any court around the world that 9/11 was caused by a certain group... Its pretty simple to create a video in which you will be saying that you killed Saddam hussain, just will cause 5 million or so... not a big deal for any super power..

There are already so many theories regarding 9/11 and more by the western people... why the entire Jewish workers of World Trade Centre were on leave on this particular day... ?? come on yaar i don't want to open that debate... but after all US govt. knows something thats why they never forwarded this case even in their own court..

Think logically... islam has placed the most stress on judiciary, without being proved in the court you cannot place blame on any one, no matter how severe or how open the crime is committed.

Look like we r moving backward on civilization index....

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A disciplined army cannot collapse in on itself. Can you imagine the ramifications if Pakistan's Army breaks into ethnic factions. Which is the way it will snap.

The lesser evil is a split along religious/secular lines. That too is a disaster, but it wont see the ethnic violence.

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Ahaha, beware FATA is not Bangla Desh or Baluchistan...We are war hardened with a far greater demographic strength...We would teach army a lesson it would never forget...Besides, India, USA, NATO, etc. are willing to give us weapons...Few stingers would enough to nuetralize PAF...the rest of the brave army from the land of five rivers we can handle....

Sorry, I was joking...

you should know that it is another ball-game...NATO/US are not in Afghanistan for Taleban...They have other designs...the three Ks (KKK), Kabul, Kashmir, and Kahuta...It is more complex game that appears to be...Note how have they been able to engender destablising tendencies in Pakistan...Is Mushy anothr Gorbachev?

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^^

You're a FATArite?

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Typical Pakistani boosting!

Man do you understand what would happen if such death squads were formed and unleashed on FATA...? That would be the last nail in the coffin of the remaining Pakistan...Imagine a gurela war against Pakistan army in every nook and corner of Pakhtunkhwa in which Pashtuns of Afghanistan also participate and to which India, Iran, US, NATO, and other enemies and adversories of Punjab-dominated Pakistan provide support and weapons...I assure you the only thing these powers should do is to provide some stinger type things to Pashtuns so PAF is neutralised..The rest of Pakistan army cannot stand against the Pashtun might...There has not been a force in history so far that has won a war fron Pashtuns on their own land...

Anyhow, I was just kidding...Signs are that some powers are working to destalize the north-western Pakistan by creating a situation in which a war between Pakistan and Pashtun people at large takes place...Imagine Baluch who are already up in arms against the state of Pakistan joining hands with Pashtuns...?

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No I am not FATA, a settled Pashtun...what I want to say is...Pak army starting a wider war against Pashtuns would be the beginning of the end of Pakistan...

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Yes, you are happy with MQM terrorism haan? Don't forget Muhajirs claim they created Pakistan the citidal of Islam...The Two Nation Theory was the handy work of a Muhajir...The core of Jummaath Islami the most draconianly extremist jehadi faction comprises Muhajirs...Who was Maududi....etc.?

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They would not do so, nor is that needed. We regard the Pashtun people as our own people, our brother Pakistanis. Just please reign in your wild elements.

Jazak Allah.

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Thanks for good emotions…Actually all Jehadis from Lashkar-i-Taiba to Jaish-i-Mohammad are the offspring and strategic assets of Pakistani Army and intelligence agencies..so only it can do something about it…

Below is some food for thought for you regarding the wild elements.

“The outfit collects donations from the Pakistani community in the Persian Gulf and United Kingdom, Islamic Non-Governmental Organisations, and Pakistani and Kashmiri businessmen. It receives considerable financial, material and other forms of assistance from the Pakistan government, routed primarily through the ISI. The ISI is the main source of LeT’s funding. Saudi Arabia also provides funds...”

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Alarming.

Let us hope some sort of order is reached.

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Pashtun solidarity is a myth and only goes so far, much like other ethnicities and when faced with overwhelming military power their leaders and armies just crumble and flee. That happened in 2001 in Afghanistan when Muhllah Omar and his Pashtun Taliban fighters just wilted way under sustained American bombing. Also, most of the time Pashtun tribes in FATA are too busy killing each other in tribal disputes or extremist groups targetting Shia's - again so much for the unity of the Pakhtoons. Of course Pakthun nationalists will continue to comfort themselves in exhorting the great fighting prowess of their people, and how external powers have misled their people into extremism (are Pakhtuns such puppets?), but the decades of history show us that they are only good at killing each other, rather than really take on great military might - on their own.

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Maududi is long dead and he opposed Pakistan, as you very well know. Mullah Omar, Baitullah Mehsud, Qazi Hussian, Sami-ul-Haq, Fazlur-Rehman are all alive and last I checked, they aren't no urdu speaking mohajirs. Pashtuns are the ones suffering the most right now, so don't try to gloat so much over the killing sprees of jihadi taliban.

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True, Mulana Maududi has died but has left his poisoning legacy to subvert the minds of millions today … “Jehad Fi Sabililah” is the slogan and motive that this ideological grand-pa and prophet of Jehad from UP gave to the generation to come in the new sacred language of Islam i.e. Urdu-Hindi…What about Munnawar Hassan, Prof Khurshid, Prof Ghafur, Khuram Jah Murad etc. that comprise the ideological core of Jumaat leadership? I have heard Munnawar Hassan is soon to replace Qazi … Mualana Masud Azhar whom the establishment is holding in store is also UP wala…Do you want to know more…?

For your kind information:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE5-6/arya.html

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*It's called using one's brain to think. Many of us predicted blowback, but others like you just never listened.
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So why are "many of you" crying about it?

Didn't listen? Am I the one making foolish statements about trying to end militancy by 'crushing' it.

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Once the jihadi genie was out of the bottle, the results were completely predictable. Post 9/11 acts just expedited it and lal masjid was one such catalyst to refocus jihadi's towards Pakistan. Just read the jihadi's own stated agenda, don't need to believe me.**

Agendas are just the stated aims. The reality on the ground is always different. The 'jihadi genie' was led out by Pakistani about face with the Taliban. Before that, both NS and BB supported them? Did they care about the Afghans? Nope, just some damn game to forward Pakistani positions.

If agendas are so important, I expect the Caliphate to be established real soon (Al Muhajiroun).

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:omg:This joke made my day.

If only I had the time or cared to copy and post all the diatribes against Pakhtuns on here. I have supported Pakistan only to be embarrassed by fellow ‘brothers.’

The concept of Pakistan was good, too bad it is being destroyed by the so-called ‘patriots’ of the nation.

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*Pashtun solidarity is a myth and only goes so far, much like other ethnicities and when faced with overwhelming military power their leaders and armies just crumble and flee.
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Pakhtun unity is more real than Pakistani unity. As someone who has held both identities, I can say that with confidence in terms of personal interactions. The Taliban were hardly an organized military. It was a militia that performed best in guerrilla warfare which was what the situation demanded. Lets not forget the massive casualties suffered by the Taliban by the airstrikes.

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That happened in 2001 in Afghanistan when Muhllah Omar and his Pashtun Taliban fighters just wilted way under sustained American bombing.
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For an irregular force to wilt away makes sense. It was not like the Iraq War where the vaunted Republican Guards surrendered or ran off.

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Also, most of the time Pashtun tribes in FATA are too busy killing each other in tribal disputes or extremist groups targetting Shia's - again so much for the unity of the Pakhtoons. Of course Pakthun nationalists will continue to comfort themselves in exhorting the great fighting prowess of their people, and how external powers have misled their people into extremism (are Pakhtuns such puppets?), but the decades of history show us that they are only good at killing each other, rather than really take on great military might - on their own.**

While it is true that Pakhtuns tribes have been have internal disputes and manipulated by the Pakistani state, many times in the name of Islam, you can not deny the fighting prowess. From the time of Alexander to the present, Pakhtuns have been a warrior race.

Again, much more could be said about this matter, but there is no point in insulting other groups of Pakistan.

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So why are "many of you" crying about it?

Didn't listen? Am I the one making foolish statements about trying to end militancy by 'crushing' it.
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Umm, should we all laugh about the short-sighted foolishness of Zia and the ISI? You want the militancy to succeed, most sane minded Pakistanis don't, becuase we know the consequence for Pakistan if that were to happen. You just have to look at Afghanistan next door to see what the future would hold, if mullah jihadis take over. They will start killing each other the moment they do.

**Agendas are just the stated aims. The reality on the ground is always different. The 'jihadi genie' was led out by Pakistani about face with the Taliban. Before that, both NS and BB supported them? Did they care about the Afghans? Nope, just some damn game to forward Pakistani positions.

If agendas are so important, I expect the Caliphate to be established real soon (Al Muhajiroun).**

Yes, NS and BB are both idiots. I know this very well, thanks for repeating it. This is not about Mush or any other personality, but right vs wrong and jihadis are wrong. Their murder, mayhem, violence is wrong. If you agree with this then you want to stop them by any way possible, if not, then you obviously are in favour of suicide bombings, beheadings, explosions etc.

The jihadi genie was let out during the Afghan war. They didn't suddenly come out of thin air after 9/11. The madrassahs, training camps have long existed, but certain pakistanis were in denial. Even the cause of 9/11 were jihadi dreams of glory in hitting America. Just because they are committing terrorist acts, doesn't mean with curl up into a ball and try to make peace with the murderers.

Submitting to terror is not an option, no matter how much you try to make us believe it is. Tell me again, how blowing up CD shops hurts America or Musharraf? This is not Al Muhajiroun behind this, despite there rehtoric, they are toothless, not so for the jihadis.

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