Re: Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)
I was speaking primarily for myself. I harbour no ill will towards you. Moreover, those sentiments I’m sure are shared by 99% of the Gupshup community.
Re: Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)
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Umm, should we all laugh about the short-sighted foolishness of Zia and the ISI? You want the militancy to succeed, most sane minded Pakistanis don't, becuase we know the consequence for Pakistan if that were to happen. You just have to look at Afghanistan next door to see what the future would hold, if mullah jihadis take over. They will start killing each other the moment they do.
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Where was the uproar when Zia/ISI was funneling US-Saudi dollars into Pakistan to help the resistance? At that time words like the Islamic brotherhood and g-dless communists were being thrown about.
Where have I said that I want militancy to succeed? You just don't like the fact that I am destroying the illusions of arm chair analysts of this forum who think that it can be wiped out in a forceful swoop. In fact, I praise the ONE (only one) sane proposal on this thread.
You have a negative quote about the military and mullahs, who do you expect to solve this militancy crisis? Some psuedo-secular Pakistani who like to talk big but can't back it up with force or influence? The key to the solution lies with the Military and Mullahs.
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Yes, NS and BB are both idiots. I know this very well, thanks for repeating it. This is not about Mush or any other personality, but right vs wrong and jihadis are wrong. Their murder, mayhem, violence is wrong. If you agree with this then you want to stop them by any way possible, if not, then you obviously are in favour of suicide bombings, beheadings, explosions etc.
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With us or against us, eh? Your simplicity sounds pretty familiar much like the master of Pakistan from Texas. I am not talking about 'personalities,' I am talking about liberal democracy (BB), conservative democracy (NS), and military dictatorship (Mush pre 2001) all supporting the Taliban, meaning policy of the state.
I did not see any hue or cry or even significant questioning of the Pakistani support for the taliban/other jihadi groups mainly operating in Kashmir. The duplicity of many is evident here.
As mentioned previously, these groups were all well and good until you turn your backs on them, at the behest of your American master, then suddenly these groups are bad. If the jihadists were so bad back when they were doing the bidding, why was there no significant debate before deciding to support them.
I have never supported any violence against the Pakistani people or the military, but I guess a principled stand is too much to ask for.
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The jihadi genie was let out during the Afghan war. They didn't suddenly come out of thin air after 9/11. The madrassahs, training camps have long existed, but certain pakistanis were in denial. Even the cause of 9/11 were jihadi dreams of glory in hitting America. Just because they are committing terrorist acts, doesn't mean with curl up into a ball and try to make peace with the murderers.
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9/11 and any other external terrorist attacks are just that - external. They are not as important to me as the attacks inside of Pakistan. You will not win using military force. Expect to see more stories like this to emerge in the next few months. The more you try to clampdown, the greater the movement will spread.
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Submitting to terror is not an option, no matter how much you try to make us believe it is. Tell me again, how blowing up CD shops hurts America or Musharraf? This is not Al Muhajiroun behind this, despite there rehtoric, they are toothless, not so for the jihadis.**
You were talking about 'stated goals.' I am not trying to make you or anyone else believe anything, have continued to present reasons why this force idea will not work.
A political solution is required, too bad your using empty rhetoric like "not submitting to terror" in hopes of solving this mess.
Re: Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)
I was speaking primarily for myself. I harbour no ill will towards you. Moreover, those sentiments I'm sure are shared by 99% of the Gupshup community.
I am sorry when words like "we" are mentioned, its usually means more than one person.
Glad to hear that you have not fallen into that trap of narrow minded hatred, but you are wrong in stating that 99% of the gupshup community feels that way.
Re: Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)
pak-one, you obviously were absent from the scene when MQM was fighting mullahs and warning against arming these groups. I suspect you were the one who was cheering on the jihadis and ISI the most during this time, especially since mohajirs were being killed.
Military force is a necessary part of this fight. There are other options that must be used concurrently too, but jirgas, fake peace deals, more surrender ceremonies like the one with nek mohammed are not an option anymore. I have said what needs to be said, the rest people can decide for themselves if rolling over and playing dead while the talibs advance is really a winning strategy that will bring long term stability to pakistan.
Re: Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)
They need Muqtada al-Sadr to torture more Wahhabis in NWFP, just like he does in Baghdad :)
Nothing like drilling holes into the bodies of Wahhabi/Taliban dogs.
Re: Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)
*I suspect you were the one who was cheering on the jihadis and ISI the most during this time, especially since mohajirs were being killed.
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I suspect that you have run out of things to say to defend your misguided positions, to bring up narrow ethnic interests. This usually happens when Pakistanis feel cornered.
If you hate both the army (ISI) and the jihadis so much, then roll out with your force and try to get rid of them both.
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Military force is a necessary part of this fight. There are other options that must be used concurrently too, but jirgas, fake peace deals, more surrender ceremonies like the one with nek mohammed are not an option anymore. I have said what needs to be said, the rest people can decide for themselves if rolling over and playing dead while the talibs advance is really a winning strategy that will bring long term stability to pakistan.**
Lets talk principles here, you hate the military and the mullahs, I get that. But is highly hypocritical to rely on (or expect) that same military to achieve your goals of wiping out the militancy. Ironically, the political solutions outlined by Capitain1 and many others would avoid using the military.
I don't mind revisiting this topic in the near future. Let there be a full fledged PA onslaught in the region and attempts made to 'wipe out' terror, militarily.
Re: Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)
I don't mind revisiting this topic in the near future. Let there be a full fledged PA onslaught in the region and attempts made to 'wipe out' terror, militarily.
OK Rambo were hear ya' ..when are you going to enlist in the army and put your own life on the line..?
Re: Bomb blast kills 20 SSG Officers (merged)
OK Rambo were hear ya' ..when are you going to enlist in the army and put your own life on the line..?
Of course sarcasm was lost yet again.
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Re: Another suicide bomb blast kills 20 Pakistan commando forces
It was SOTF, Karar company apparently. Are they part of SSG?
Yup Khek,
SOTF is SSG and Zarrar Coy (I'm not sure why some reports stated it 'karar'), now expanded to Zarrar Bn, is an independent SSG unit for counter-terrorism ops. I think the SOTF may include some other specialized units of SSG too, and one of them being Zarrar of Lal Masjid ops fame and hence this unfortunate targeting...