Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad
Robert, how many suicide bombings took place after the new Govt took over, until the big attack at Bajaur by the Coalition?
Don't forget the corrboration/collusion of ISI and brewing up the storm and conducting half-hearted operations around the country, you don't get results you want if your heart is in wrong place.
Mush was fighting against an internal culture of jihad, many of whom tried to kill him as well. He did pretty well considering all the opposition. Even now on this forum, you have people making excuses and justifying terrorism. (Note the post above mine for an example)
Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad
So stating the fact that there were 0 suicide attacks under the reign of the new Govt, and absence of foriegn attacks on Mush is justification of terrorism?
It is because of Musharraf that there is terrorism in Pakistan. He was the one who nurtured and supported militants, to secure his kursi.
Unfortunately this will go on. Phonies like many here, will continue to brag that these people are putting Islam in a bad light, without realizing that its already too late for that. Islam, already is in the bad light, and will take centuries to bring it back from these caves of darkness. When it comes to critisizing, they will continue to find one figure, Musharraf, the only guy who stood up to these numnuts. No word, for people like Imran or Nawaz, who shy away from passing any degrading remarks about mullahs.
So true, and you can see an example of this right now. Trying to take the spotlight away from a terrorist attack to who did what first.
Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad
In today’s world, resorting to violence is not the way to protest! If you really want to show your force and register your outrage, it can easily be done by non-violent means, and something that will also have much more impact. See the example below and tell me which is more effective? Killing people and giving your country and religion a bad name or non-violent means like this which really sends a message to them?
Report: Muslim Boycott Hurts Denmark’s Economy
(IsraelNN.com) The Danish Arla Foods Company announced recently that it had suffered serious losses due to a Muslim consumer boycott. If the boycott continues for the entire year, the company could lose $372 million, managers said.
Muslim religious leaders called to boycott products from Denmark after Danish newspapers printed cartoons portraying Mohammed, who Muslims believe was a prophet. Muslim law prohibits the depiction of Mohammed, and many Muslims found the cartoons offensive. The cartoons were printed in 2006 and then again in 2008 as a gesture in support of free speech.
Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moller recently spoke to the local daily Boerson and warned that a third printing of the caricatures could cause Denmark serious long-term financial losses.
So stating the fact that there were 0 suicide attacks under the reign of the new Govt, and absence of foriegn attacks on Mush is justification of terrorism?
It is because of Musharraf that there is terrorism in Pakistan. He was the one who nurtured and supported militants, to secure his kursi.
Hello Spock,
How does one decide whether the cross border terrorism was caused by Musharaf and his groups before he came to power and once in power that was stopped?...or that the cbt occurred due to other groups and Musharaf was simply more effective in putting a lid on it?
Going by Kargil and the commando nature I have read about I think Musharaf was certainly in the terrorist camp. But I am not sure if there weren't a number of others outside of his control involved too.
regards
Pundit Vikram
In today's world, resorting to violence is not the way to protest! If you really want to show your force and register your outrage, it can easily be done by non-violent means, and something that will also have much more impact. See the example below and tell me which is more effective? Killing people and giving your country and religion a bad name or non-violent means like this which really sends a message to them?
Report: Muslim Boycott Hurts Denmark’s Economy
Could not agree more with you. I have already eluded to that in my post (no. 38).
Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad
Its people like Sharabi, Moonshiner and ashtray who are giving a bad name to Islam and all Muslims to bad they don't know it
Could not agree more with you. I have already eluded to that in my post (no. 38).
Why is boycotting all Danish products justified when it was a private newspaper which published those cartoons?
Should Muslims not read that newspaper instead of boycotting all Danish products?
Thats like the West boycotting all Pakistani products due to some terrorists blowing up the Danish embassy in Pakistan
We all pray that be the case. But as the saying goes, one bad apple makes the whole basket go bad. So imagine what'd happen if you put a good apple in a basket full of bad ones.
Anyways, i've put across my view points with proper references to authentic texts from the Quran, Hadith and incidences from the Seerah.
May Allah grant us all true understanding of His Deen.
Your posts are utter nonsense supported by haphazard and taken out of context quotes which are twisted to suit your own primitive views on the world
Its a wonder why you speak English at all
I am pretty sure you can come up with a Hadith that it makes it a sin to speak the language of the infidels
Why is boycotting all Danish products justified when it was a private newspaper which published those cartoons?
What did Danish govt say/do when they learnt that the cartoons published by the "private" entity angered people around the world?
Why is boycotting all Danish products justified when it was a private newspaper which published those cartoons?
Should Muslims not read that newspaper instead of boycotting all Danish products?
Thats like the West boycotting all Pakistani products due to some terrorists blowing up the Danish embassy in Pakistan
Yaar, the main goal here is to make the newspapers issue an apology, which they have refused to do. Now I don't think that Muslims boycotting those newspapers will make much of a difference since I don't think any Muslim (except may be the ones living in Denmark) read those papers. Boycotting their products would force the affected companies, or may be even their government, to put pressure on the newspapers to issue an apology, so that they stop losing all this revenue.
What did Danish govt say/do when they learnt that the cartoons published by the "private" entity angered people around the world?
Nothing. Because they cannot do anything against their print Media
This is not the muslim world where the entire press is controlled by dictators
They have a free press and can publish whatever they want.
Boycotting Danish products was a stupid Idea.
Even Hamza Yusuf opposed it.
Yaar, the main goal here is to make the newspapers issue an apology, which they have refused to do. Now I don't think that Muslims boycotting those newspapers will make much of a difference since I don't think any Muslim (except may be the ones living in Denmark) read those papers. Boycotting their products would force the affected companies, or may be even their government, to put pressure on the newspapers to issue an apology, so that they stop losing all this revenue.
Again, you cannot force anyone to give an apology when they don't mean it
Boycotting Danish goods is punishing the whole nation of denmark and ordinary Danes who had nothing to do with the whole cartoon thing
Hamza Yusuf opposed this as a collective punishment on all danes
Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad
An apology under threat of force is not a real apology anyway.
Again, you cannot force anyone to give an apology when they don't mean it
Boycotting Danish goods is punishing the whole nation of denmark and ordinary Danes who had nothing to do with the whole cartoon thing
Hamza Yusuf opposed this as a collective punishment on all danes
We know that the newspapers have rejected calls to apologize, so how else should people register their protest?
We know that the newspapers have rejected calls to apologize, so how else should people register their protest?
Then why are you asking for an apology from people who are not going to apologize?
People apologize when they accicdently make an error in judgement and repent or when initially do something which they think is correct and are later corrected in the error of their ways.
Since the newspaper nor the journalists have neither recented nor did they think what they did was wrong, then why punish all of Denmark for the crimes of the few?
Isn't this what Muslims are always talking about when all muslims are labelled as terrorists by the west?
Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad
I understand what you're saying. All I'm asking is that how else should people protest about this issue using a non-violent, yet effective approach?
Thats like the West boycotting all Pakistani products due to some terrorists blowing up the Danish embassy in Pakistan
No its nothing like the "West boycotting all Pakistani products.....".
Fundamental difference is that the Pakistani govt., unfortunately, strongly opposes the Mujahideen and is actively waging a war against them, while allied with the West.
The European Governments on the other hand are not opposing their media, which are producing blasphemous material and attacking Islam. Their Gov. are actually protecting them and giving them the rights they need to publish blasphemous material.
Your analogy was false to the core, just like all the other stuff you post.
Its people like Sharabi, Moonshiner and ashtray who are giving a bad name to Islam
Why are you even bothered? Your love for everything unislamic and kufr, be it Israel or the blasphemous danes, is reaching unprecedented heights.
Leave Islam to the Muslims, you worry about what ever life you're leading.
Boycotting Danish goods is punishing the whole nation of denmark and ordinary Danes who had nothing to do with the whole cartoon thing
Hamza Yusuf opposed this as a collective punishment on all danes
Then why are you asking for an apology from people who are not going to apologize?
Since the newspaper nor the journalists have neither recented nor did they think what they did was wrong, then why punish all of Denmark for the crimes of the few?
Do you and Hamza Yousuf have any love for the Prophet (sas)? Do you feel no anger at this act of blasphemy? Are you even a Muslim to begin with?
Boycotting Danish products is the most passive way to actively voice your anger against this atrocity, in a manner that it would pinch.
But it seems like you guys hate Danes feeling the pinch of Muslim anger, way more than the atrocity they committed against the Prophet (sas).
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Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad
So-called mujahideen has waged war on Pakistan and it's interests, and that is why it is the duty of every muslim to oppose those phony mujahideen if they desist from following the states laws.
Not to mention there unislamic acts of teaching young children to murder, summary executions, suicides etc.