Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad

[Pundit_Vikram]

Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad

Hello all,

As UTD has described most of the civilized countries do believe in democracy and freedom of expression. Ganging up on him and laughing at that simply doesn't change the fact.

Blaming USA for Iraqi misery is akin to complaining "you hit me back first so it is your fault". I do think Iraqi war after Saddam Hussein was deposed was a mistake. That does not mean there is any truth to what yiu guys are saying. US army has more self-regulation and self-policing than anything else, sometimes to the point of making them inefficient.

Instead of blaming everyone else, you should concentrate on taking the jihadi nuts and the so called clerics and scholars who brainwash them to task

regards
Pundit Vikram

[Moonshiner]

@Pundit_Vikram

As UTD has described most of the civilized countries do believe in democracy and freedom of expression.

Exactly. That's why their soldiers kill kids because it is a hallmark of democracy and freedom of expression. The freedom to kill kids.

[Moonshiner]

@Aalsi

More innocent deaths caused by the terrorists. .

Yes, American terrorists.

[Lusi]

Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad

This is extremely sad.

It might be in protest of those cartoons published in some danish newpapers, anyway it is a very pathetic thing to do. I wish these people could come up with decent and humane ways to protest then killing people or destroying property.

[mufakkar]

Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad

Considering that this time around, the protests against the cartoons were peaceful, it seems like this bombing was done to stir up trouble.

[shawaiz_K]

The games the establishment play.

Section 144 imposed in Islamabad
Tuesday, June 03, 2008
ISLAMABAD: District Magistrate Islamabad Amer Ali Ahmed has issued orders prohibiting the use of cassette players for making sectarian speeches, carrying firearms and holding processions and rallies. The district magistrate (DM) under Section 144 CrPC, 1898, ordered that no person other than the members of armed forces and police on duty should carry firearms within the revenue/territorial limits of district Islamabad. He also prohibited all kinds of gathering of five or more people, processions/rallies and demonstrations at any public place within the revenue limits of the district.

[Sharaabi]

@GoldenAsif

Pardon my ignorance but how does any of that justify killing of innocent people. By all means go and confront the Danish cartoonist and the publishers but what right does it give anyone to go and kill any Danish person or anyone in the name of exacting revenge. This is just wrong and evil. It is not like the Danish Government or Embassy runs those newspapers.

If you'd stop being a parrot, repeating exactly what was fed to you, you'd probably be able to figure out the crux of the matter. Like i said in my first post, the innocent were the Pakistanis passing by and died. Those who were in the embassy, working for the Danish Government are not classified as "innocents", regardless if they are Pakistanis or Danish.

Secondly, the Danish Government may not be running the newspapers but it is definitely harboring, protecting and facilitating those people who are slandering Allah's Deen and His Messenger (sas). Hence their Government and the people who work for it are no longer "innocents" and deserve to be attacked.

Why is it that our Governments are always on their feet when it comes to condemning the actions of their people, whereas their Governments never condemn the actions of their atrocious media. Doesn't that speak volumes on their stance on the issue?

@GoldenAsif

And you conveniently forgot to mention fatah Makkah where not a single soul was hurt or injured and everyone (some of Prophet's pbuh worst enemies) was pardoned on the orders of the Prophet pbuh.

Who said everyone was pardoned? You need to go back and verify your information before talking about the Seerah.

Its true that the Prophet and his Companions entered the the Holy City of Makkah, dressed in full armor, in humility...thank Allah. And it is true that a general declaration of pardon was passed out, when the Prophet said..."Go, for you are free!" But there was also a Black List. A list of people for whom the Prophet said, "Kill them even if you find them hanging from the cloth of the Kaaba."

Amongst these people were Abdullah bin Khatr, his two female slaves and a slave of Abu Lahb. Guess what their crimes were.. :) Yes...slandering the Prophet. These people were killed on Fath Makkah.

@GoldenAsif

nihatton par vaar karna is the ultimate buzdili my friend.

And........you contradict yourself once again.

If attacking a nihatta is the ultimate buzdili, then why were you advocating killing the cartoonist early in this very post? Surely he is unarmed and *"nihatta"
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@GoldenAsif

By all means go and confront the Danish cartoonist and the publishers

[GoldenAsif]

And........you contradict yourself once again.

If attacking a nihatta is the ultimate buzdili, then why were you advocating killing the cartoonist early in this very post? Surely he is unarmed and "nihatta"

I don't know what English dictionary you use but confront does not necessarily mean 'go and kill the cartoonist' in my book. challenge the guy and condemn his actions in the strongest possible terms, meet him face to face in a defiant way if you have the guts. Guys like you need to stop projecting Islam as a militant religion. Such mindless indiscriminate murderous acts are the very reason we have become a laughing stock in the eyes of the world. Such jungle law thankfully only exists in Pakistan's tribal areas whereby if someone kills your daughter you wait till your enemy's daughter gets to be that age before pouncing on her. now go and justify these crimes as well.

btw the cartoonist may be nihatta but (unlike those innocent people killed in these blasts) he is also a criminal for instigating abuse and causing hurt to so many muslims. If he were to get hurt or killed by some angry muslim(s) in revenge, it would be understandable as his 'punishment' although I would still rather muslims followed the path of forgiveness and tolerance whereever possible.

[GoldenAsif]

Secondly, the Danish Government may not be running the newspapers but it is definitely harboring, protecting and facilitating those people who are slandering Allah's Deen and His Messenger (sas).

By your logic all muslims living in the West should just get the hell out of there because some of these western governments are harboring, protecting and facilitating those people who are slandering Islam and I should call you a hypocrite if you are residing in US or Canada (despite their governments support for Danish government and media)

*Hence their Government and the people who work for it are no longer "innocents" and deserve to be attacked. *

That is almost akin to saying since the PA (rightly or wrongly) carried out the operation in Lal Masjid, it gave the freed miscreants (yes I do believe that some of them were ghoomey huey) the right to harm and kill any soldier or policeman they could pounce on. Just for once think about the families of those who were targeted and killed because they belonged to a certain organisation (i.e. security service - PA/Police). Does your mind accept this? And if it does then I don't know what to say.

[Khehkeshan]

Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad

Sharaabi and his supporters best exemplify the people who hate Musharraf because they want their rule over all of Pakistan. Pakistan is slowly losing the war against jihadi murderers due to the useless pacts by the new government. With Musharraf gone, it will be open season for the beahders and suiciders.

A fate worse than Afghanistan or Iraq awaits us once Musharraf leaves. He may have been the last hindrance to the devious designs of the barbaric taliban jihadis.

[vigoratus]

Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad

Musharraf himself is the reason for Pakistan's downward spiral. His policies give more than just fuel the insurgency. Everytime the Americans invaded Pakistani Airspace, him being a half-brained Ex-General that he is, came to own up to it so shamelessly. Then he committed atrocities against the civil bodies of the country under the veil of Emergency.

He's not capable of saving anyone. He's losing supporters quicker than ice loses it's solidity in the sun.

Being Pro-Musharraf is one thing, i was pro-musharraf at one time too, but there is time when you have to blame the blameworthy and put him on the grill for he did. I've yet to see any of you lotafied supporters of Musharraf criticize him even for the things he DID do wrong and admitted to.

So feed that nonsense of 'The Only Savior: Musharraf the Stud' to someone who's 6feet under because anyone able to hear or see thinks otherwise. That ofcourse leaves you and your buddies who find no fault in musharraf because you're a rare species. Musharraf used to think Karzai was of that rare species too, but i won't do any name-calling.

[Khehkeshan]

Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad

Mush already saved Pakistan once after 9/11. Now even he can't do much in the face of the jihadi storm brewing thanks to the likes of Nawaz, Imran and "civil society".

We already know next attack on US will have links in FATA. The rest I leave to everyone's imagination, unless that too has been banned by Taliban.

[Dushwari]

Re: Blast at Denmark Embassy Islamabad

very sad prediament.
wrong actions on both sides.

initiating cause - the disrespect for Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)
reaction - impulsive
outcome - more anger and hatred, destruction and deep rooted animosities and hostilities at many levels.

any suggestions to curtail this as Pakistanis living abroad?

[Khehkeshan]

very sad prediament. wrong actions on both sides.

initiating cause - the disrespect for Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) reaction - impulsive outcome - more anger and hatred, destruction and deep rooted animosities and hostilities at many levels.

any suggestions to curtail this as Pakistanis living abroad?

Yeah, stop blowing things up.

[ehtasab]

Mush already saved Pakistan once after 9/11. Now even he can't do much in the face of the jihadi storm brewing thanks to the likes of Nawaz, Imran and "civil society".

Don't forget the corrboration/collusion of ISI and brewing up the storm and conducting half-hearted operations around the country, you don't get results you want if your heart is in wrong place.

[Sharaabi]

I don't know what English dictionary you use but confront does not necessarily mean 'go and kill the cartoonist' in my book. challenge the guy and condemn his actions in the strongest possible terms, meet him face to face in a defiant way if you have the guts.

I think i would listen to what the Prophet (sas) said regarding what to do with he who slanders him....than you.

And what the Prophet said was evident from what he commanded his Companions regarding Ka'ab ibn Ashraf and Abu Rafi'. He had them ASSASINATED. Not just killed, fighting in a battle, face to face....but assasinated. They were killed with minimum effort.

And this is the ruling regarding he who slanders the Prophet.

By your logic all the muslims living in the West should just get the hell out of there because some of these western governments are harboring, protecting and facilitating those people who are slandering Islam and I should call you a hypocrite if you are residing in US or Canada (despite their governments support for Danish government and media)]

Its not just logic...theres a Sahih Hadith on this. And you already see the logic in it...Mashallah :)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among polytheists. They asked: 'Why, Apostle of Allah? He said: ‘Their fires should not be visible to one another.’, and he (peace be upon him) said, “Who joins the polytheists and lives with them then he is like them” and he (peace be upon him) said: “Migration will not end until repentance ends, and repentance will not end until the sun rises in the west.”

"Al-Musnad", Vol.4/99, Abu Dawud, Vol.3/7, Hadith 2479, and ad-Darami, Vol.2/239.

That is almost akin to saying since the PA (rightly or wrongly) carried out the operation in Lal Masjid, it gave the freed miscreants (yes I do believe that some of them were ghoomey huey) the right to harm and kill any soldier or policeman they could pounce on. Just for once think about the families of those who were targeted and killed because they belonged to a certain organisation (i.e. security service - PA/Police). Does your mind accept this? And if it does then I don't know what to say.

Hazrat Jee, in a state of war no one cares about the families of those from the opposing party. Kis duniya mein reh rahe ho? Do the Western Powers and their allies (read: puppets) in the Muslim World care? Did you see the Pakistani Government caring about the the families living WITHIN the Lal Masjid Complex when the bombarded it with White Phosphorus?

Please get off your high horse and smell the ugliness of the entire situation.

[GoldenAsif]

Its not just logic...theres a Sahih Hadith on this. And you already see the logic in it...Mashallah :)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among polytheists. They asked: 'Why, Apostle of Allah? He said: ‘Their fires should not be visible to one another.’, and he (peace be upon him) said, “Who joins the polytheists and lives with them then he is like them” and he (peace be upon him) said: “Migration will not end until repentance ends, and repentance will not end until the sun rises in the west.”

"Al-Musnad", Vol.4/99, Abu Dawud, Vol.3/7, Hadith 2479, and ad-Darami, Vol.2/239.

I am not going to deny it since you are quoting a Hadith here. But as muslims we also believe that sovereignty and hence the land/earth/planets etc. ultimately belong to Allah. USA, Pakistan, UK, Iraq etc. these are just duniyawi divisions, so a muslim could choose to live anywhere he likes and it should be possible to lead a clean life no matter where you live. As the saying goes 'if you are good, everyone around you is good'. And it may not have occurred to you but many muslims living in 'non-muslim' countries enjoy more freedoms and rights as human-beings than muslims living in certain Islamic countries. Sad but true

[Sharaabi]

As the saying goes 'if you are good, everyone around you is good'.

We all pray that be the case. But as the saying goes, one bad apple makes the whole basket go bad. So imagine what'd happen if you put a good apple in a basket full of bad ones.

Anyways, i've put across my view points with proper references to authentic texts from the Quran, Hadith and incidences from the Seerah.

May Allah grant us all true understanding of His Deen.

[Haris]

very sad prediament. wrong actions on both sides.

initiating cause - the disrespect for Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) reaction - impulsive outcome - more anger and hatred, destruction and deep rooted animosities and hostilities at many levels.

** any suggestions to curtail this as Pakistanis living abroad?**

Not sure how any Pakistani can try curtail the acts of madmen, but what we all must do is make sure we let our non Pakistani and non Muslim fellows realize that this is not what we are, this is not what Pakistan is, this is not what Muslims are; it's just a few bad mad men. We must play our part as image ambassadors in or capacity, as far as we can.

[Robert]

Unfortunately this will go on. Phonies like many here, will continue to brag that these people are putting Islam in a bad light, without realizing that its already too late for that. Islam, already is in the bad light, and will take centuries to bring it back from these caves of darkness. When it comes to critisizing, they will continue to find one figure, Musharraf, the only guy who stood up to these numnuts. No word, for people like Imran or Nawaz, who shy away from passing any degrading remarks about mullahs.