Black Magic

Dear super genius, almost a super computer like PHD, aunti ji,

I fear for your mental state as well. Islamic scholars are douchebag mullahs who judge your islamicness by the length of your beard, or feel that the testimony of four women is equal to one man's. There is no proof of this amazing jadoo you speak of. Jahalat is a disease. O supergenius rocket scientist old lady. If you think I am so wrong, then prove it. There is no phsical proof, and never never will be, dear super genius jaahil, auntiji.

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LOL! thanks super incompetent bachay..so young innocent and naive...I fear for your upbringing little child.
I found physical proof of black magic..we all did..it's YOU...a product of black magic..
tsk tsk

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alig_reinvented, u really behave like a kid dear. u r calling jaahils who believe in black magic. Are u an athiest, communist or what? Even Christians believe in magic. I feel sorry for u. Being a muslim u should have strong faith. As to the challenge, think one more time and come back.

hey first post in this room

first of all black magic does exist as its in the Quran so no debate there however rather then being depressed the cure for such things is through prayer and faith. There is a cure for everything in this world unless Allah has decided that this is something that we must go though.

Read Nimaz ,a must as it keeps us on the right track and secondly Quran. Make ur faith stronger then the effect of such things wont be so much on you. Prayer is the answer to all calamities

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Vodoo , black magic does exist . where there is good there is bad, where there is love there is hate , where there is prayer there black magic , its merely a tool that satanic people use to bring destruction to others

Dear Supergenius rocket scientist mai ji with a PHD,

Where is the physical proof. Is it caught on tape? is it on youtube? Or did you hear about this evidence through the grapevine. The quran doesn't talk about dinosaurs, does that mean they don't exist? The quran doesn't talk about aliens, does that mean the don't exist?

Taking the quran LITERALLY is lunacy. Its obviously a guideline, but thats it. There is no such thing as this fairytale magic. If it were true, then pakistan and rest of southasia would probably be the most fabulous, most richest countries to live in..in our materialistic world, given the corruption levels in those countries.

^Exactly...Allah tests those who use these evil powers and those are become innocent victims of it..
yet Qadr Allah SWT

^dude is clearly amongst the ignorant...so shall be ignored :)

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read surah baqarah daily everybody at home ,,,,

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I agree with Zeshu whole-heartedly. Personally, I am very close to people who thought and think that they are under the spell of magic. I found one common character trait in all of them: their inability to accept the responsibility of their own wrong-doings. I have used the word "inability" here for a reason. "Inability" is, many times, something which you cannot control. This inability comes from their upbringing where their elders have manifested the same behaviour so strongly, that this becomes a belief to them, capable of halucinating themselves.

I have so many examples if anyone is interested.

Finnaly, someone who is spot on the subject. Exactly! Its the person's "inability" to perform some taks, and that could be due to various factors during your upbringing, enviornment, mahol, family, etc etc....You are soo right..they all have one thing in common that is, they cant accept the responsibility for their own actions...if you cant perform a task, its because YOU cant, not because some black magic vodoo is stopping you from doing it. Its simply YOU.

Also, on the day of judgment, no one is going to intercede for you, you cant say that you were not able to do this and this because some aunti did some black magic on you. No! you are responsible for your own actions. ONLY YOU! Consider what you are saying by putting it on black magic. Even if you are cursed, it is still YOU who is the driver (soul) of your busted car (life). You alone have the power to swing it with God's Will.

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There is no such thing as black magic.

The Quran only mentions magic. Its niether black or white. So stop this nonsence about "safaid jadoo" and "kalaa jadoo". Also magic is only mentioned in one or two surahs. Thats it. If there are more occurances, please let me know.

There are various meanings and interpritations of that arabic word. Some interprate as magic arts, some as plain simple magic. Because it was easy, therefore we atributed it to imply black magic.

And this goes even further when black magic practioners are kept on failing time after time when I go to them. I tell them, inflict what ever pain and suffering you can. Call upon any jinn you want to effect me. Countless tries, and countless failours. The jinn do exist. But they work with satan. Satan whispers is your ear.

Remember, satan does not get in you and he commits the sin. He only whispers in your ear and YOU go commit that sin. Remembre the last time you wanted that new phone, new car, blah blah. Now these people who cant judge that satan is acctually whispering and leading them astray, are easily manipulated. Hence they are weak minded. And so the jinn can easily effect them.

You guyz may or may not be cursed by black magic. Only God knows. However not all of us can. Most of you are weak minded. If I see you in person I could extract your entire life and lay it out infront of you and you will belive me to be some alim. Why? Because you are weak minded. You believe without your mind. God gave you a mind to think.

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^ Well said, but you could have chosen a better nick to convey that point :)

Blackmagic, please translate and explain Surah-e-Falak and Naas. and also narrate the story of how these 2 surah's were sent down and why please...

^ lol why ask questions, who's answers you have already MADEUP in your mind.

Well said...Black magic does exist explained in the Quran..for those who are denying may Allah guide them
But I do think there are some valid counter points presented here...but it just needs to be carefully noted. Black magic does exist but to make yourself dwell on it and think that if it is affecting you and to feel defeated is allowing the black magic to take affect more...By asking Allah SWT and only Him and making regular Dua'a evil can always be defeated..
If it affected Prophet Muhammad SAW it can affect any beleiver..Allhumdolilah Allah has given us the treatements already in the Quran as Gina as mentioned

If they're made-up then perhaps you'd want to shed some light on it? i'd like to know... how Surah-e-Naas came down and why it came down.. and why was it a common practice during the Prophets time? And why was it taught to others? Please also translate the Surah for me.. just incase i've made-up the story.

Alien u just need to read the Quran WITH translation.. and everything will turn black & white.. or u'll continue to deny it.

My dear gina! The Quran is NOT to be taken litrally. Ask any good scholor. The Quran is the way of life, defines the philosophy of life, a book of wisdom but it is NOT to be taken litrally. The reason I say this is because when you ask the scholors and people who acctually know the history of how it was brought down and during the times etc, and the history of arabic (note, imp point), you have to take alot of things in consideration.

Arabic is a poetic language and the Quran is too. There are nemerous surahs that imply certain things but to the avg person, he will never get it if taken litrally. I am in no position to go further as I have only listened to the ullemah and scholors on this.

Your second point on why such and such were practiced during the Prophets (PBUH) time. There are loads of other things that were practiced too. That does not mean they too exist. The view of the ullema on the subject of magic is of two view points.

This entire debate goes on the meaning of the arabic word "Sihr". The etymological meaning of "Sihr" suggests that β€œit is the turning . . . of a thing from its true nature . . . or form . . . to something else which is unreal or a mere appearance . . .” Now some scholors preceive this to be magic, some dont. Please understand that THIS is the ONLY occurance in Quran from which some deduce that this natrually means magic. While others do not.

Therefor the whole argument of weather black or white is false. Its either magic or not. And that, only God knows. Now thats the Quranic point of view. I dont take this as magic but as satanic whispers in my ear, and any illusions that I have are fragments in my mind created by various factors in my life.

Now comming to my second point. And this is towards the validity and proof of this so-called black magic. Lets say 10 cases go to some alim (a reputed one, not some wanabe one). 4 cases fail, 6 pass. that is, 6 of them did acctually got effected while the other 4 did not. If such black magic entity exist at all, all those 10 would be effected. Having even a single failed occurance SIMPLY means that the other cases were mere COINCEDENCES as most cases in Pakistan are. Marrgiage disputed, anger, sudden frustration are not magic traits, but the patterns in your life permit you to act that way. You just dont want to accept it because if you do, the blame is on YOU. However you easily blame it on some magic, that way you dont get pointed fingure and shamed upopn.

Third point. If such an entity was possible, why does someone not acctually fight it on the enemies of Islam / muslims. Put it on bush, gordon brown, etc. Put it on the terrorists. Or any one in the west. The reason it will not work is because THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

Any sane person with even a shred of common sence and logic and reason will understand why this is so common in south asia. The only reason. Illitrate people. No sence of faith. You say you believe in Allah (SWT) but you really dont. You say to read the Quran, remember it from heart but do you really know the real meaning, understand it, and live it in your daily lives. No. So please, understand your surroundings, your life patten, your behaviour. All the factors lead you to make the choices in your life. There is no black magic that takes control over you. YOU ALONE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.

And YOU alone are ANSWERABLE for your actions.

I actually asked an aalim and whatever I've written earlier (the story of Jibrail alayhisalam) was told to me by him. And who says u shudn't take the Quraan literally? And it's a way of life..? The Quran has set guidelines for us.. Allah wudv'e never sent down both the Surah's (to protect a person) unless He didn't know his people wud abuse it.

I no longer want to keep debating... each to his own blv whatever u want!