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what is wrong with Naat singers at least?
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what is wrong with Naat singers at least?
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Well said.
kuch samjhaye humein?? aisi sachi mein log sochte hain?
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kuch samjhaye humein?? aisi sachi mein log sochte hain?
Is dhage se humein Aisa hi lagta hai. Concept of EXTREMIST is turned upside down.
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Is dhage se humein Aisa hi lagta hai. Concept of EXTREMIST is turned upside down.
haha acha yeh baat hai.
Like i mean i get why people may have some reservations about their daughter taking part in a profession (i.e. singing/modelling in a glamour world) but you can always warn her about it and im sure she would be logical not to do anything which compromises her beliefs. Not everyone sells out and not everyone is plunged into a life of darkness. Not even all singing genres are the same.
why is it that the female must change all her ways just to do something simple like sing? Surely modelling must be a risky profession for both guys and girls as both are at risk of exploitation. So does that mean both should be banned, can't steps be taken to make it safer for girls/guys?
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You don’t even have to feature the female in the video. it can just be scenery or monuments in the background .
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hahahaha this is so funny. OP who is concerned about the right of a woman to pursue a profession of her choice, which is a fundamental right guaranteed by most constitutions of the world is being termed an EXTREMIST.
You seem as confused as the OP. She is not talking about "right of a woman", she is talking about parental *choices, encouragement, decision and opinion for their children, *presumably of an age where they are still under the parental control. Perhaps OP should take a leaf out of "most constitutions of the world" and live and let others live and respect personal opinions, life choices of others and stop enforcing her views on others.
Why should parents bother explaining and justifying their parental choices and methods to her? If they don't want to send their children to singing classes then they don't. Their children, their choice.
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You seem as confused as the OP. She is not talking about "right of a woman", she is talking about parental *choices, encouragement, decision and opinion for their children *presumably of an age where they are still under the parental guardianship. Perhaps OP should take a lead out of "most constitutions of the world" and live and let live and respect personal opinions, life choices of others.
i'm not going to argue with you regarding why there is nothing wrong with letting your child(boy or girl) become a singer or even a lingerie model. lingerie models have parents too, who are proud of their children. but i guess you do not consider them sane people.
Why should parents bother explaining and justifying their parental choices methods to her?
because these parental choices and the reasons behind these choices are going to shape the future of your children(and their thought process) and hence the future of the society about which OP is so worried and cares enough to ask questions which let us all think about the prevailing situation and realize what is going on.
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i'm not going to argue with you regarding why there is nothing wrong with letting your child(boy or girl) become a singer or even a lingerie model. lingerie models have parents too, who are proud of their children. but i guess you do not consider them sane people.
Keep you assumptions to yourself. That's exactly the kind of bigotry and extremism I was talking about. Just because someone doesn't say yes to your yes, you start your desperate assumptions and accusation. What other parents to do for their children is none of my concern, what I as a parent do for my child should be no one's concern either.
FYI, I have some extremely close successful friends in Pakistan Fashion industry. I'm personally a stakeholder in that field. But do I want my children to step into the field or do my friends want their children to step into that world is a totally different matter. Its a very private matter and it's matter that's essentially no one's business.
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because these parental choices and the reasons behind these choices are going to shape the future of your children(and their thought process) and hence the future of the society about which OP is so worried and cares enough to ask questions which let us all think about the prevailing situation and realize what is going on.
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It's all subjective! And sorry, whatever you've written here is not part of "most world's constitutions". If the OP or anyone for that matter wants to pain a better society, they should stat off by respecting other's opinions and personal choices. We are free people, we live in free countries no one has to explain and justfy and inform about our private decisions anyone. Children too can make their own decisions when they reach a certain age. So far most posters have expressed their opinions why they wouldn't encourage **their **children **towards a particular thing, so respect their opinions and move on.
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Do you really believe this is what all religious people are like? If I were to go just by numbers, I’d say that the amount of times I hear of Muslims doing something like this, I’ve heard of at least as many musicians/singers dying from drug overdoses and the like.
If I wanted my kids to bring people together and closer to being better people, I’d encourage them to learn from people I’ve already seen accomplishing this type of thing in my generation, a good part of which happen to be ulema.
I’m against the idea of allowing my daughters to sing as a profession because I’m of the opinion that she shouldn’t use her voice (or beauty/charm for that matter) for the entertainment of non mehram men. Either way,
it’ll never be an issue for me. Her mom is even more strict than I am.
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I don't see the OP doing anything other than asking questions and offering her opinion. Agree with the "move on" part. Her detractors do need to move on. And not make it so personal, IMHO.
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Keep you assumptions to yourself. That's exactly the kind of bigotry and extremism I was talking about.... respect their opinions and move on.
you have a knack for name calling. and you're a stake holder in an industry which you do not think is fit for your children to join. you're only proving my assumptions to be correct. i better move on.
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you have a knack for name calling. and you're a stake holder in an industry which you do not think is fit for your children to join. you're only proving my assumptions to be correct. i better move on.
WTH LOL.
Of cousre its not fit for "children" to join. I certainly wasn't a child when I got into contact with it.
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If the industry is so bad, which in Pakistan is pretty much not... since they're so conservative overall anyway, then why do you have stakes in it? If it's so devoid of morals that you wouldn't let your kid go into it, then why fund others' kids going into it (every adult seductive 25 year old singer has parents too, I'm sure).
I don't see what the big deal is. In the US, yes, there is a lot of crap that goes on. You go to some manager, they tell you there is a job waiting for you, go here and here, and you show up, and it's actually a porn shoot - that's not unheard of happening. However, you have the CHOICE to not engage, rarely do you get into a situation where you're forced like maybe Lovelace was as she later admitted in her second book. But those are dysfunctional situations to begin with, not the norm.
And it's up to an individual correct? If you are approached by a sleezebucket who is trying to make a fast buck on you, you CAN say no. Most of the singers out there right now, are making their own music, putting it up on sound cloud or vimeo or something, and self-promoting themselves electronically. They're not even being managed in Pakistan because there is no culture of managers/promoters. And few people have their own production studios to which you can always send a demo and see if they're interested in working with you.
I'd love to hear the stories about how Pakistani women trying to make it into music got abused and screwed up along the way, I'm sure there would be stories rampant of it in the media, but you hear minimal stuff like this. At least I never heard of such a story.
And no, I'm not just a die hard follower of certain people who made it big, I keep scanning the net for raw talent all the time, and I'm telling you, responsible kids who are making their own music and experimenting are harmlessly putting it on the internet. That's how Jal actually started before they made it big, one demo online and it blew up. I remember finding their original website newly placed on the net before anyone had heard of them, and I had posted their stuff here. :)
So, where there is a will, there is a way, and Pakistani media may have it's drawbacks, and it might not be the most professional place to work, but no one is telling anyone to open their legs, and if they are, only if women LET them, they will get away with it.
As for the kinds of clothes Hadiqa wore in that video when she tried to recreate herself, who cares, it's not that bad. Women wear far worse, and she's pretty much covered. Stylish, yes, but she is covered.
And finally, what I don't understand is the hypocrisy of not letting your daughter into this business, yet we line up in Pakistan and abroad to see Indian movies, and we give India a lot of business in the process, and do not watch our own TV for the very reason that we don't have as much talent on our television. Why not? Because what talent is born, we are hesitant to let it grow, lest we become non-muslims, and yet we shower our finances on non-muslim women gyrating across the border. If anything, I'd say Indian movies have become deplorable, we should stop watching those.
For the ones who wont let their daughters into the Pakistani industry, are you guys watching Indian movies?
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^ hey, hey, how dare you call Indian movies deplorable? Stop being EXTREMIST.
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If my daughter was talented and knew she could make a career in singing i wouldn't deter her. I would warn her of risks and educate her so she never compromises on her beliefs. I would also encourage her to complete studies as backup in case singing does not work out. Singer just does not imply Bollywood/Lollywood/glamour world. There are many genres of singing from folk, ghazal, devotional, naats, jazz, opera etc. Not all genres require photo-shoots and minimal clothes. Some people can reach more audience with their voice for which they have talent than become an average doctor/engineer of which there are many. I don't think singers like Lata, Noor Jehan, Asha Bhosle and even younger ones like Shreya Ghosal dress minimally to get audience etc If things have changed now shouldn't the culture and audiences change, why should a young girl's dream of singing worldwide be affected. Look at Nazia Hassan she made a big impact in subcontinent and worldwide. India today in a 90s edition mentioned her as top 50 people worldwide to have an impact and change face of India. All the money raised from her music was used to help social causes such as underorivileged women and children. She became active part of Battle against narcotics, voice of women and National Youth council of Pakistan. along with a singer she was a lawyer and worked for the UN security council and also for children as part of her role in UN. She also was important in campaign against drugs called Nasha na karna. She has many fans across globe from subcontinent, Europe, US to middle east. If someone wants to they can sing and stay away from glitzy, glamour world. Not everyone falls prey to it.
Nazia Hassan was in 1980s, times have changed now. "If someone wants to they can sing and stay away from glitzy, glamour world. Not everyone falls prey to it." That's what everyone says.
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This girl knows whats up.
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And PCG still doesn't reply to a simple question about Lingerie modelling.
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I wouldn't encourage singing/acting.
It's not so much the singing that bothers most people but the lateral issues that come with it during these 'new' times.
Besides, only a very small % of kids are going to have that kind of talent and even then it's not guaranteed. It's an industry taint to the core in all areas.
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If the industry is so bad, which in Pakistan is pretty much not... since they're so conservative overall anyway, then why do you have stakes in it? If it's so devoid of morals that you wouldn't let your kid go into it, then why fund others' kids going into it (every adult seductive 25 year old singer has parents too, I'm sure).
There are a lot things happening in Pakistani showbiz which you are clearly not aware of just use Google/Bing to find some answers. The seductive 25 year old's singer may have pretty broken their relationships with their parents for trying to look less conservative.
Nah, let's make her learn everything about religion, and then watch as she tries to hold a capitol city hostage demanding sharia with her kids watching her husband wave guns around at civilians.
I say, if my kid ends up singing, and by their songs, they bring people together, and closer to being better people, then GREAT. Way better than running to Farhat Hashmi darse's getting extremist, and then going crazy.
I'll have what you're smoking.