Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

[mahool]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@Monk

see .. that proves my point from that form from that day with that guppy…

so now

blah blah blah
blah blah
blah blah…

so why dont you believe you are wrong… because I believe that you believe… that you dont belive you are wrong…

what you have t say about it.

Dimaghi masla…

[bella88]

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@Princejall

Maqawa and Mahol, do not waste ur time over Missss Belaa.. Hakeem salman said " Jab ma ny aqlamand admi sy behas ki tou ma Jit gya or Jab ma ny Bevakof admi sy behas ki tou ma har gya" that telz u the story

perhaps you mean hakeem luqman?

[Pakistani_Prince]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

Mahol and muqawa, do not waste ur time, here.. Useless

[bella88]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@Princejall

Mahol and muqawa, do not waste ur time, here.. Useless

lol but you keep posting here..

[Pakistani_Prince]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@bella88

lol but you keep posting here..

wana Join the Party

[shaasavera]

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@muqawwee123

Yes, i condemn it from both sides. being a murder and using it to malign the religion. Islam got teachings of ‘La-ikraha fiddin’ and ‘Lakum Deenkum Waliyadin’ in case of people with different beliefs, but at the same time one should not be stupid to call himself / herself a Muslim and then goes against the specific teachings of Islam to invite rage in societies where just marrying outside caste / tribe can be taken as an offense. In other societies, I’ll call it hypocrisy to call yourself Muslim and goes against the specific rulings / teachings of Islam in the name of freedom of bla bla.

I understand your points as you explain it. The lady in the article said she is a Christian and was raised Christian by her mother who is Christian when her father left. So she is not calling herself Muslim or inviting rage. It’s similar to Barack obama’s story with his parents.

I agree a whole community and beliefs should not be maligned for actions of few. This is what happens in western media and it is important to provide a counterpoint to it which this thread gives space for. Even if we do not discuss it it is being discussed elsewhere and some are misinterpreting it as being part of ‘sharia’. What does silence achieve? Why not show with arguments that it is not unlike some clerics may choose to portray it? People who visit the thread who have no knowledge will thus be enlightened.

[bella88]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@muqawwee123

Yes, i condemn it from both sides. being a murder and using it to malign the religion. Islam got teachings of ‘La-ikraha fiddin’ and ‘Lakum Deenkum Waliyadin’ in case of people with different beliefs, but at the same time one should not be stupid to call himself / herself a Muslim and then goes against the specific teachings of Islam to invite rage in societies where just marrying outside caste / tribe can be taken as an offense. In other societies, I’ll call it hypocrisy to call yourself Muslim and goes against the specific rulings / teachings of Islam in the name of freedom of bla bla.

glad to read your answer. unfortunately, such laws exist and unless we talk about these issues and be critical of these barbaric laws, things are not going to change.

[Monk]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@mahool

Dimaghi masla…

you think I read your post ? no!! I say I wanted to say…
I got chance on the net so here

blah blah blah
blah blah blah… blah … blah…
little tired now… but will be back with my tag-team partners…

blah…(that was left from before)

[shaasavera]

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@Mezhgan

I think that people also often ignore that we’re all human and humans have a nasty tendency to cherry pick what we like about something and what suits us and ignore the bits that do not suit us. This is a human trait and crosses race, culture and religion. Every religion has people who do this and Islam is no exception. It’s just a matter of what people choose to cherry pick.

As such, it is inappropriate and unfair to hold all Muslims accountable for the fact that some societies, such as Sudan where this case took place, choose to follow an extreme interpretation of Islam and literally enforce this extreme interpretation. I also think it’s a bit naive to believe that such societies do this out of religious fervour or in support of Islam. They do this because it suits them as it supports they’re pre-existing belief systems and societal norms.

Agreed. Not everyone should be held accountable. Culture is often confused as religion by those who are ignorant and want to use it for political purposes. Speaking out and correcting those misperceptions is important.

[Pakistani_Prince]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@Monk

you think I read your post ? no!! I say I wanted to say…
I got chance on the net so here

blah blah blah
blah blah blah… blah … blah…
little tired now… but will be back with my tag-team partners…

blah…(that was left from before)

Mister, Me and Mahol, do all handlings here. Be careful… Double team

[IndiGo_Rain]

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@bella88

your version of islam is quite different from many others. did i say yours is wrong? theres really no one islam. even here on GS, you will find many different versions of islam. there are muslims who think such barbaric sharia laws ARE part of islam, no matter what you think.

**No, you didn’t outright say PCG’s version of Islam was wrong, you only IMPLIED it by condescendingly calling it an enlightened moderate version. So you don’t think the moderate version is correct, so do you believe that the extremist version of Islam is the actual Islam? If so, then why the hell did you even ask us in the first page of your thread what the interpretation of shariah is. Seriously why the HELL did you even ask us for shariah interpretations if you are convinced that they are incorrect. When you’re going to display such a contradiction, you cannot blame us for doubting your intentions.
**

i dont accept reality? looks like you have no clue what is going on in the muslim world. and please stop making stuff up about me. my husband has no clue about islam and he has never once said anything against it. i **have spent enough years being a muslim to have my own opinion regarding it. **

**I cannot comment on your husband, but I will question you on the contradictions in your behavior that are apparent to all members barring a few such as Southie and Savera. You asked us about the interpretation of this Shariah law. Why did you do so when any clarification given is dismissed as either sugar coating or enlightenment? If you are so hell bent upon your own opinion of Islam, don’t pretend to have open dialog about it. And in your “enough years” of being a Muslim, was it the conflicts that you faced with family and friends that led you out if Islam? And somehow your negative personal experiences represent Islam for you? Those experiences are no substitute for for the interpretations of scholars who have devoted years to studying religion. **

did i call you barbaric? im calling those who killed this innocent woman barbaric and hopefully you agree with that. no need for you to assume my husbands family thinks like this.

Nope, you also called shariah barbaric. You can’t have a religion without a system of laws. When you call shariah barbaric, you’re basically calling the religion barbaric. You’re pregnant, no? Use your energies elsewhere, you’re stirring up trouble in the guise of something else.

[Monk]

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@Princejall

Mister, Me and Mahol, do all handlings here. Be careful… Double team

(chalti machine meen haath dy dia na)

so you too believe in what I believe that you believe.
how difficult is that to see blah blah blah

this thing is bad that thing is bad(dont even try to say you dont believe in them)
because I belive that yu believe.,
so take this
blah blah blah…
blah

bye

[shaasavera]

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@bella88

exactly.
why is it so hard for most of the posters here to accept this?

Bella, I think some of the words and tone may have led to misinterpretation. I think saying ‘such’ Sharia laws may be helpful because the interpretation which is made by those here is genuine and against those actions even if the ones perhaps off GS who support it use different interpretation.

At the end of the day the issue is about the woman in question and any improvement in laws is good.

I think the case is ongoing and still there is hope. People and like you’ve also said many muslims have come out and disagreed with it.

[bella88]

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@IndiGo_Rain

Nope, you also called shariah barbaric. You can’t have a religion without a system of laws. When you call shariah barbaric, you’re basically calling the religion barbaric. You’re pregnant, no? Use your energies elsewhere, you’re stirring up trouble in the guise of something else.

Im going to call a spade a spade. if a law requires killing of a woman for apostasy or for marrying a christian man, then I will call it barbaric. very simple.
and please, no need to bring up personal things here.

[Pakistani_Prince]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@Monk

(chalti machine meen haath dy dia na)

so you too believe in what I believe that you believe.
how difficult is that to see blah blah blah

this thing is bad that thing is bad(dont even try to say you dont believe in them)
because I belive that yu believe.,
so take this
blah blah blah…
blah

bye

hahahahahahahaha. I like u, but that does nt bring glory always, mister.

[shaasavera]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@IndiGo_Rain

Nope, you also called shariah barbaric. You can’t have a religion without a system of laws. When you call shariah barbaric, you’re basically calling the religion barbaric. You’re pregnant, no? Use your energies elsewhere, you’re stirring up trouble in the guise of something else.

Actually Southie did post on that and say the wording was wrong and it should not be generalized. He also said that it should be taken back. I have also done same. Just because someone is seeing one side of the story doesn’t mean everything they believe is in alignment with it.
Bella also agreed to what Mezghan said so it shouldn’t be seen as one team vs other as some have suggested. Not saying you but others.

[Pakistani_Prince]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@IndiGo_Rain

Nope, you also called shariah barbaric. You can’t have a religion without a system of laws. When you call shariah barbaric, you’re basically calling the religion barbaric. You’re pregnant, no? Use your energies elsewhere, you’re stirring up trouble in the guise of something else.

You are absolutely right. Weldone. They would be Speechless, now

[bella88]

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@shaasavera

Bella, I think some of the words and tone may have led to misinterpretation. I think saying ‘such’ Sharia laws may be helpful because the interpretation which is made by those here is genuine and against those actions even if the ones perhaps off GS who support it use different interpretation.

At the end of the day the issue is about the woman in question and any improvement in laws is good.

I think the case is ongoing and still there is hope. People and like you’ve also said many muslims have come out and disagreed with it.

nothing has been misinterpreated. people who are criticizing are simply doing it because im no longer a muslim so i must be evil. if you read PCG’s posts, she clearly mentioned that i must have been brainwashed by my non-muslim husband. its perfectly okay for people to personally attack someone because they dont share the same religious beliefs. this is not the first time ive been accused for having an ‘agenda’. in most of the threads, this has happened. but to me, none of this matters. what matters is spreading awareness regarding such tragic loss of life and to condemn such actions. and I am glad many people did so.

[Monk]

Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam

@IndiGo_Rain

Nope, you also called shariah barbaric. You can’t have a religion without a system of laws. When you call shariah barbaric, you’re basically calling the religion barbaric. You’re pregnant, no? Use your energies elsewhere, you’re stirring up trouble in the guise of something else.

ok ok…

I let the secret out…
I jesus Christ said he came to fulfil law of mosses… he pbuh was very clear about it.
After his death this dude… st Paul, called law stupid barbaic etc… he swore upon people who followed the law.

His teaching were very much like the way we have sufis, like “see the face or your girl friend you have reward of a haj” type
jesus was circumcised on 8th day… st paud dudes says “you circumcise you heart only” (really ??)

So he St paul was the dude who created what Christians today follow. over half of the injeel is his writings.

So hatred for divine law with bella shows come from there… poor southie end up dancing on her tunes.

dont quote please :halo:

[IndiGo_Rain]

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@bella88

Im going to call a spade a spade. if a law requires killing of a woman for apostasy or for marrying a christian man, then I will call it barbaric. very simple.
and please, no need to bring up personal things here.

Same weak, circular arguments from you and the same evasion of questions. Call the skewed interpretation of the law barbaric, call the agenda barbaric, not the law itself. And quit associating people’s skewed interpretations with Islam. The leaders of the countries who commit such atrocities are small compared to the vast majority of Muslims who condemn it. But Bella ji will believe the views of the minority because they validate her own sentiments about Islam, haina Bella? So, tell me Bella, why did you want us to clarify Shariah interpretation when you believe that all explanations provided are only an enlightened moderate version? This automatically implies that you believe the extremist version to be more truthful and more enlightening as it validates your decision to reject Islam, haina? So, yes, let’s call a spade a spade shall we: You opened this thread with a biased mind, and the seeking interpretation of Shariah bit was just an act or pretense; a poor one.