Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam
As one human being to another thanks for not minding my presence here regardless of my religious background or ethnicity neither of which I have mentioned here. But from my threads people obviously know I’m indian.
I know this is a pakistani forum and I am respectful of that but I’ve also heard all GS members are equally valuable. I know I’m an outsider with no direct connection to Pakistan. I try to fit in.
I think if the op of any thread wants no interference by Indians they should say ’ no Indians allowed’ just like the British did back in the day. You did not say that so I assumed I had a right to post.
I apologise to others for my presence here. I did not I was tainted.
Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam
Well the indian and hindu comment was directed towards me even if I did not mention it anywhere on this thread. It’s obvious from my threads I’m indian. I was trying to help people find common ground, not assume and see the perspective of others. Nowhere has Bella led anyone to doubt her nationality on any of her threads. Just because a pakistani posts differently does not make them indian similarly just because an indian has a different opinion does not make them pakistani. They just have different perspective on life and what is best for their country. Both feel strongly about it.
You also said that you know people of similar views. Why won’t she listen ? Give her a try. That’s how people find common ground. It’s interesting that because I’m indian and because of my opinion I’m assumed to be hindu. I could be anything. I could be Muslim, Christian, Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, deist with no specification. I may not even be religious at all. Similarly a pakistani could be Christian, hindu, Sikh as well. They can also comment, right? I have never mentioned my religion on GS threads and I never will. People can assume about me or see me as human. 1-2 people have insisted and asked personally as friends and I have told.
Doesn’t matter if I defend or not I have made my reputation such I will get flak anyway. I don’t mind but just pointing it out Some of the Indians here assume I’m a racist and stalker because I speak positive in preference of Pakistanis. Some conservative and liberal Pakistanis say I am insecure/trying for approval/trying to ‘kiss ass.’ Or label me as hindu and tell me to stay out.
I’m loving the diversity of comments. It’s helping me improve.
Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam
Thanks for not minding me being here as well. :)though I do not have a family connection to Pakistan I’ve made friends here and I felt welcomed. and as anyone knows from the diversity of India I could be anything. neither I will clarify what I am. Sometimes I like to beech mein tapak because everyone likes surprises.
Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam
Then what way she means it? I like PCG and I like her posts. Not trying to be fake flattery. I can relate to her and I like how she supports women’s ability to choose in life. so I don’t understand why I’m being asked to not tapak beech mein and pointed out I’m an outsider because of my opinion.
I understand people may have had bad experiences with Indians, regardless of religion, but there are 1 billion of them and many have met less than 100. I am not even from North America so how can I be responsible or even change those perspectives.
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I am a female but thanks for liking my comments and calling me good. I know she has a good heart and maybe did not mean that but that is how I felt. I have supported her point of views in past and just don’t want to feel less worthy of posting on threads because of my background which I chose to be open about. Never mentioned my religion anywhere.
Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam
I said all that cz You Said “Since she (bella) is Pakistani and KNOWS SIMILAR LAWS EXISTS IN PAKISTAN”. Such laws do nt Exist in Pak. And also, Bella is not Paki..
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It’s hard to tell online right no gender tag near the member name either. Hope you don’t mind. Batama chaiye tha Shayad but didn’t find it important in conversations.
Agar Kuch ghalat Bolon posts mein to gustakhi Maaf karein janab. I will do one last post where maybe there may be common ground..will be long. Advance warning.
Also I wasn’t the only indian poster here at the time. Southie uncle was also here.
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why is she not a pakistani? I mean she lives abroad but she has pakistani roots. She has mentioned how her mother was a gynaecologist in a city of Pakistan. Even if desi people live abroad they still have connection and love for their country even if they have different perspective.
I have heard mention of apostasy laws in Pakistan and like Pakistan
India also has blasphemy laws since the raj. Except I think pakistani laws got tougher in 70s. PCG also mentioned that majority in Pakistan does not agree with apostasy laws which must mean they exist. Some of my pakistani friends mention they exist also so that’s why I say this.
This is a foreign website and I’m not saying I agree with their survey results because I’m sure there is bias and they also probably believe most Indians are rapist sympathisers. I want to highlight that it shows huge variety in muslim opinion from different countries and even then many say it is misuse of Sharia.
Also the survey is among those who support sharia which shows even then there is great diversity of views.
While 79% of afghani muslims support it only 1/6 of Tunisian muslims support it and only 1/7 of Lebanese muslims do. Pakistan is somewhere in between. Only 6% of Russian muslims, 1% of Albanian and 0.5% of Kazakhs support it. The article also says 95% of Pakistanis support religious freedom and that initially the rule was used like people would use the law for treason in the west. I do believe Pakistan has richer culture than Middle East and greater history of tolerance as well as many famous Sufis contributions. This was how Islam became influential in subcontinent. Who can forget Sufis like the ones from Punjab and Sindh like Bulleh shah and Shahbaz Qalandar. I’d like foreigners to also acknowledge this about pakistan.
Nothing wrong with acknowledging people will have sentiments about this.
Recently we had some new anti-superstition laws put in by the government which some religious people didn’t like and retaliated against by killing the person who came up with laws. These laws don’t stop people’s practice of religion it just stops it affecting others. I’d be against such laws in India or west also.
I don’t want this to become an India vs Pakistan thing because I’m not a nationalist and I believe India has similar issues. Only thing is we don’t have official laws. Not really interested in arguing which country is better. If people abroad have particular image of Pakistanis they also think all Indians are rapists and no doubt it is a big issue. It can’t be denied and should be acknowledged even if it is not good for our image. The desi mindset needs to be changed and we should be open to criticism in order to be better. Even if criticism comes from west. Just my personal views.
Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam
^ I should have left the thread when you did. Feel bad/guilty for posting here.It’s a sensitive time right now. I have no intention of hurting anyone’s feelings and sentiments. Apologies if that unintentionally happened.
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bella startd ths thread and let her answer all questions, that was my concern. Now what PCG said, was off topic., do not compare topic discussion with off topic discussion. Also, shavesta took that to heart, so i just tried to give him/her comfort. Enough ?
Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam
bella startd ths thread and let her answer all questions, that was my concern. Now what PCG said, was off topic., do not compare topic discussion with off topic discussion. Also, shavesta took that to heart, so i just tried to give him/her comfort. Enough ?
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Initially bura laga because ive read nearly all her blog posts and could empathise with her. I’m in a similar situation. Then i thought what does country of origin/religion have to do with opinion on this. It’s not even about India/Pakistan or religions from subcontinent. In the end i can’t fully blame her because maybe she had some bad experiences which affected her opinions of us. Some Indians are no angels either. The assumption that India must equal hindu culture equals backwardness found in desi subcontinent including Pakistan. Backwardness exists but one can’t generalise an entire culture because of it whether desi or something else. I wish her the best and hope Allah(swt) unko har kamyabi hasil kariyein chahe professionally and personally. I know she is good at heart. That’s all i have to say. I know sometimes i get carried away with “flattery” but i mean that genuinely.
Sorry for being off topic and thanks to mods and OP for respecting freedoms of non Pakistanis and those of ambiguous religious origin.
Re: Being killed for marrying a christian man and leaving Islam
instead of focusing on my life and what i ‘pretend’ to be, how about focusing on the case being mentioned in this thread regarding the sudanese woman and voicing your opinion on that? that would be much more useful. thanks.
Some of the Indians here assume I’m a racist and stalker because I speak positive in preference of Pakistanis. Some conservative and liberal Pakistanis say I am insecure/trying for approval/trying to ‘kiss ass.’ Or label me as hindu and tell me to stay out.
