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Certain toxic members of her household are aware that I initially said no to her and the reasons and to put it bluntly they don't really want to speak to me when I ring. You can notice the differences and the mother even stated that she would ring me back as she was busy and that has never happened during the course of this marriage.

Certain members are a bad influence and I know that this is a tug of war between me and them regarding my wife and she should know better. But if she did go I KNOW there would be more demands placed on me and she would come back with all their views. That is if she already hasn't.

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I should have looked into this more. Alas we are married now.

I do not know whetehr the tickets are booked but i know they want to go in December.

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well najeeb pai. I saw a similar case once. the girl was being remote controlled by her mother. the girl family came to threaten the guy and like intimidated the guys family etc, they were basically looking for a divorce. but the guy didn't budge then.

later, somehow, they guy decided to take the girl back in. but stopped her completely from getting instructions from her mom. she wasn't to contact her mom.

after 6 months or so. the girl started behaving normally. they be happy now.

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Ok me and the wife finally got to have our discussion.

I went to pick her up and when it was time to leave her mother stated tat she was due to go to Pakistan in the next few days and the flight had been booked.She said she was going primarily to carry out an extension to an existing property and she decided it would be best to carry that out now. She said that she will be going for two months and that she asked my wife to come along as there is nobody else due to work commitments (nobody wants to go)and she said that she hasn't got permission to go. I stated that I have never stopped her from doing anything since marriage but this time she cannot go at this particular time due to it being an inappropriate time as we have some issues. She then asked what issues we had and I replied that there were marriage related.

Suffice to say we left and came home. The Mrs didnt talk to me and pretty much stayed upstairs for a full 24 hours, during this period I made her breakfast but she didnt have any. Anyway she then text me that due to us not talking she will go back to her mums. I then essentially went upstairs and had a chat with her.

The things she complained about:

  • Your mum orders me to come downstairs and sometimes to do other things around the house and I do not like it. When i stated that your own mum does the same she said

but she does it with compassion. I have heard my mum tell her to do things which is very rare for her to ask but she asks exactly as she does with everyone else, if anything she is more polite

  • I asked why when she goes back to her mums I always ring every couple of days regardless of where my wife is but why does she not ring. That my mum always asks me

why she has not rang and especially when my mum was seriously ill and kept saying she will die but my wife still decided she wanted to go home. She stated that 'I do not have that relationship with your mum and why should i bother with formalities'

  • She stated that I should not be sitting with my sis in law and chatting away and having a laugh without my brother present as it is wrong. I said fine but my nephew who is at that mehram age was there. She then stated how can you have such a relationship with your sis in law. I replied that she is like my sister but I do know the limits.

  • She stated that why do people ask me for help e.g. painting. I stated that family is family and so are friends and when they ask you determine whether you can help and you go and assist. She replied but they have their own partners and you shouldn't need to help anyone.

  • Stated that my family has not done anything for hers. She said that she has come along with me to my siblings houses and they have not done the same. I stated that WE have been to my siblings houses and WE have been to your siblings houses so it is the same thing but NO she wants my siblings to go to her parents home etc which even they havent done and neither have hers.

  • She then stated that she feels as though people talk about her but that nobody has ever said anything wrong to her but nobody bothers about her family. I stated that whenever my family see you they always ask about your family but that is not enough she said

  • She then said that she hates people coming around to the house to help with mum. When I asked that what would you have me do i got quietness

  • She stated that I am like martyr who likes to help my family and I shouldn't do as i have my own life. I asked her whether she helped her friends and picked soemthing up from the shop but she said that I shouldn't even do that?

  • I asked her regarding her expectations of marriage and she said that she came here and wants her own routine and not to follow a pre-existing one. What should she wake up at 10:30am to sit next to mum and do a bit of the brushing when its the same as waking up at 12pm or 1pm. That she is not a wife from Pakistan and if that is what I wanted then I should have gone back home. She stated that she will do what she wants to do and it is upto her. She isnt a SAHW. I stated that she is as she doesnt want to work, gym or voluntary

  • I asked about making her husband breakfast and she said Islamically I do not have to do anything and I do enough, which she didn't get into. But she will make breakfast for me on my working from home day. The other days she can try but not promising anything.

  • She then stated that she will always go home a week a month and whenever she wants as it is her family and she has a responsibility to visit and when she needs a break she will just go

  • She stated that we never spend time together except for the bedroom and whn we go out. I mentioned i come back from work and spend the whole evening with you but she replied that your mum is here

  • She then said I do not understand her. She sees all problems with peoples behaviours but i seem passive and oblivious and don't notice anything. I said i don't knit pick and i have been blessed with a great family by Allah. A family that never argues and hasn't for years, a family that goes out their way to help others all the time but she said that i don't want to understand what she is going through. I told her to be specific and give examples but nothing, just that my sis in law keeps staring at her but has never said anything wrong. She then said that she does not lke talking to that sister in law but why when we are sat together she always ends up having a conversation with me and not her. I stated its probably because you look 'closed' as though you are not interested but that was not enough

At this point more points where mentioned and I stated that we will rent a house and leave here but she didnt want that. She said that firstly whats the point to which i replied that I will be near my mum and fulfil my obligation but then she changed her mind and said we cannot leave as people will know that i made you leave your mum. I said I as your husband do not care what people say but lets move. She said 'no, i will cope'. I sid to her i have no sukoon in my life as you are continuously telling me you hate it here, hate formalities and going to peoples house and inviting them and how you hate certain individuals because you do not think they talk to you enough. She then stopped talking to me so i gave up.

Regarding Pakistan I told her that her mum is going for two months and that Islamically I cannot let you go alone and with these massive issues that still arent resolved there is no point.She went off on one stating that I do not care about anyone from her side etc. I said I have a weeks holiday this month and we can go. I can fulfil my obligation towards you and you towards your mum but quite and then 'can we forget islam for a moment and think about my mum and compassion, that she needs me'. This was said from a woman wearing hijaab and who reads her namaaz mostly.

Today she woke up, made me breakfast and then said 'this is your incompetent wife making you breakfast'. Since then she has done everything around the house today.I think she will ask the abroad question again.

I am shocked at her replied I just couldnt believe that a perason would have so much hatred and no compassion for anyone. That it feels as thoug I shouldnt get along with anyone and to not help them. I was seriously shocked at her responses.

Her family definitely do not know about the content of the issues, just that we have issues.

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Oh boy.

Some people just do not have a nurturing personality, apparently your wife belongs to this group. Someone I know got married to someone similar like your wife. They have been married for 7+ years, and it's only gotten worse as time passed. My honest advice to you would be to consider seriously hard, if you want to be someone like that for the rest of your life? Because trust me, this kind of people only change for the worse.

It's funny how these people would bring up Islam to defend their 'rights' but would conveniently forget their obligations under the very same religion. Islam encourages you to be compassionate towards everyone, and particularly to those immediately related to you. Islam stresses so much upon the rights of even neighbours who aren't related to you. So how come one can have no responsibility or compassion towards those living in the same house.

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Looks like she gets all life coaching from life1 :hehe:

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I feel so bad for you Najeeb. You seem like such a genuinely nice guy, at least someone who is willing to make the effort. What I find really annoying about her is that she asks you to be compassionate about her mom, but why can't she be compassionate about your mom?? It's a 2 way street. She expects your ENTIRE family to be nice to her family and talk to them etc, but she doesn't even like your family. She doesn't even make an effort to like your family. I'm sorry to say but she sounds very selfish and very self absorbed. It's all about just her. And she's a 29 year old grown woman. Tell her no grown woman whines like that about the littlest of issues. I also don't know how she can stay at her parents place for a week every month. Doesn't she miss you? And she expects you to be understanding about her love and responsibility for her mom and family. But she doesn't want you to have the same with your family? Najeeb, you need to do some soul searching and think what you want in your future. Her personality is what it is, that won't change.

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Can you please give a few posts where Life1-ers have given advice to posters encouraging this type of behavior? Or even in this thread?

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She gave some very good insight in her values/beliefs. How did you make you feel when you heard that your wife believes that she does not need to bother with “formalities” when it comes to your mom? She directly told you that she does not consider your mom her family. She doesn’t want you to provide help for your friends or other family members. Even something as simple as making you breakfast…she sees it as an obligation/favor…she can’t be bothered to do it simply out of love for you. She doesn’t have a job/kids…yet she’s going to throw Islam in your face if you mention her making you breakfast. :grumpy:

What do you think life will be like if you have a child with this woman? What types family values and manners is she going to teach your children? Given how she feels about your mother…how much respect to you think she will teach your children to have for your mom?

Again, think about if this is how you want to live the rest of your life. What will happen if your have children?

Did she make any breakfast for you mom? LOL…of course she’s going to bring up Pakistan again. That’s a no brainer.

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Boy oh boy! Not to be OT here and completely hijack your thread.
Najeeb as mentioned by the above quote, everyone knows somebody who has similar issues/problems. I know a somebody like that , it happens to be my 'bhabi', my younger brothers wife. They have been married 6 years or so, and what an emotional roller coaster nightmare it has been.

I am the oldest , my bro told me how he had met someone at work ,and she was might be the one. Anyways, he sent me a pic (yes, a pic does not tell you how a person is ) but i did not like what I saw. I and my brother are/were very, very close.. I felt this was not the person for him.

We are a huge family, Punjabi, very much into families, hulla gulla. She came from a family quite the opposite, all smiles on the outside but something else on the inside. Istikarah was done, by my bro, my Mom, it came out ..not too good.

My brother told her that he could not commit to anything and that was it. I am no too sure what happened after that, but she pursued him with a passion, and it was back on. No one from our family ever interfered in my brothers matter.

In the end he decided he wanted to marry her. Now, my bhabi comes from a struggling family, on the outside seems well to do, but the checking we did indicated otherwise.. we are a comfortable family. Everything accomplished in life was given through the blessings of Allah. My bhabhi to be had a sister who was married to a millionaire, my brother was not too far off from that status.

AH, they live in the Mid East, my bro has a fabulous job there, he is living the life of a king. He was the younger bro, he was the most funniest , loving, generous human being one could come across. Extremely good looking 6ft plus, half of us have blue eyes, very fair colouring, the remainder have green eyes. All elders in the family, all cousins gravitate towards him and my other bros.

Since I am in the US, my bro would call me and say 'this happened', "I've already committed to the upcoming marriage', "i cannot back out". The day before the nikah, he told me "I wish I could back out, it is too late". Just last week he called and said to me "Don't say anything , I should've listened to Ami, I made my decision, I amde my bed and have to sleep in it, Cannot divorce will not do that to my child". BTW, my bro is a fantastic husband and a truly wonderful father. It is is son that keeps him going.

It has been 6+ years of marriage now, they have one child. My sis in law behaves as if she is the only person in entire mankind to have given birth to a child. The fact that we love our nephew dearly, is because of our relationship with my brother, not because of my SIL.

Najeeb don't fret, my SIL never makes breakfast for her husband, she is a SAHM. My brother takes his son to school, he bathes him, disciplines him, feeds him, takes him out, after working like a dog all day long as a VP for a huge global company in the Mid East. When my brother comes home from work she will go to bed, he will be lucky if there is a plate of food for him. He usually stops at a burger place to get some food.

They are a gorgeous couple, having intimate relations and not having anything else to go on, is not much of a marriage. From the day she said "Jee, nikah kabool hai", she has never made an effort to get to know my brothers family or have respect fro my Mom.. So my brother does the same back, he neither meets her family, and seldom speaks to his in laws. Their entire marriage is tit for tat.. What I am writing here, is what we have witnessed, all the while keeping our mouths shut. If we wanted to interfere , we would have.

What a pretentious wedding it was too. My SIL wanted a small, intimate elegant affair. Initially only My Mom and siblings were invited..(can you believe that). Our children were not invited to their own Mamus wedding. My brother who was the ultimate Mamu, (he has now lost that status) My Mom had a few words with my brother and that is when she told hm 'this should be a wake up call for you, are you doing the right thing". Brother had a few words with his wife to be, and our children and our own relatives (Nanyaal. Dadyaal ) were then invited..

The emails sent back and forth, her demanding this gold kara, that jewellery set...that to me speaks of a gold digger. My brother knew all of this as the emails were sent to him as well as another sister who was shopping in Pakistan for the wedding. The language in the emails was really disturbing and vulgar.

We have all carried on without him/her in our lives since he lives in the Mid East, I am in the US, the remainder in the UK. When we get together it is depressing being around my brother and his wife. He calls me quite regularly, and every now and then will say "'Don't let her know I call you". :) He sent gifts to my children upon graduations etc, and then also said "Don't let her know". Because she is my SIL, I will call he just now and then, email her now and then. She will almost always ask me 'Have you spoken with your brother lately? ' Something along those lines. My answer is "No", a few times i have said 'yes' and she freaks out.

Before I get beat up on this forum for blaming my SIL, I say the blame also lies in my brother. It takes 2 individuals to make a marriage work. They both do a lot of tit for tat as mentioned before.

I could go on and on..

Again ..sorry for a long post, I can delete it if necessary..

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She seems unhappy with marriage.* Aise hi maa baap larkion ko utha kay baandh datay hain kisi kay saath*. w/o thinking whether they even want marriage or not.

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My heart goes out to all Najeebs out there. Only the two of you can make the desicion to save your marriage. Your nice guy approach will probably not force her to change.

What made you fall in love with your wife? Her looks, brains, personality?

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She pretty much told you to ditch your family and friends but at the same time you should do all those forbidden things for her family. The conversation you shared with us makes me believe she will succeed. You will leave your mom and family and alienate them. It will be all about her and her parents house all the time. Unless you clearly tell her its a two way road and unfortunately you did not do that at all as of yet.

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The way I see it is that what she said was unspeakable and unthinkable but I do not do tit for tat with anyone and I now that I have spoken to her I will try to constantly speak to her and mention everything about what she needs to do for at least a little while and if no changes then something will have to be done.

Basically I let everything out, more than what I have explained here and I will have to see for a little while how it pans out.

I can just tell her to leave but something tells me that the easiest option is hardly ever the correct option.

Regarding going abroad, its not going to happen. She knows if she goes without me then there's no option of return. The only option she has is if she wants to visit with me as I mentioned that she is not travelling without a mehram so its either me or someone else from her family.

The funny thing is she is externally in line with Islam. She only goes out with hijaab and suitable attire on, prays her namaaz and is genuinely interested with the deen. I just don't know where this selfish, childish, bratty side comes from.

Regarding what I said earlier about trying a different approach, I am going to do what I want to do and not be nice and just be stern. Will it me anywhere? Allah knows best. At least my heart will be content that I exhausted all my options.

At the moment I want to know what ideas about Pakistan she still has as her mother has not gone yet and there is still time for her to book her ticket.

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It was more for the deen. Her character seemed right, she wanted to learn more and behaved as I thought accordingly.

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I admit I have cut down visiting my family but that is baecause of making the time for it but I always see them and they always come around.

Regarding phone calls and text and even helping them then I always have in front of her and will not stop. I will help my family just as I would help her family. My conversations will family will not stop and I can go on for hours talking to them and I do.

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Your wife's behavior is similar to my SIL's. I would urge you to think carefully about what kind of mother she will be and how that will effect your children. My brother's children are spoiled, ill-mannered and have no respect for their elders. More importantly, they have no connection with or respect for my parents. While brother and family lived with my parents, my SIL kept them in her room and maintained a distance from my parents so that the kids never bonded with them. Both of my parents have significant health issues but SIL never cared for them in any way. She barely cooked or cleaned for her husband and her children. My brother travelled often for work. My SIL would go to her parent's house as soon as my brother left town. They no longer live with my parents. My SIL never calls my parents, rarely returns my mother's calls and never has her children call. We will see her in the background as we Skype but she won't even say salaam.

In an ideal world your wife should be your aid in fulfilling your responsibility to your mother and vice versa. Ideally, an appreciation and affection for your mother would come naturally out of her love for you. Sometime that doesn't happen. In that case, many of us go to great lengths to FAKE it because we believe in taking care of and respecting our elders and in creating family harmony. I would be apprehensive if your wife doesn't share these basic values with you.

In my brother's situation, SIL was confronted by brother multiple times. It led to minor changes in the short term and to more distance and resentment in the long run. Family pressure from both sides prevented divorce, although my brother wanted to on multiple occassions.

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It is something I am considering and I need to have more discussions with her as her behaviour is disgusting at best.

Regarding money etc she hardly spends anything and doesn't actually expect much in terms of gifts etc in return.

Never really wanted a fancy wedding and was quite happy with a simple nikaah, like me. Families obviously wanted otherwise.

So sad to hear this brother! We females are emotional people and sometimes feel a little left out of the husband's family when he's busy with them, but to this extent... No way!!

Anyways, you keep being patient and keep trying! If things still don't improve, at least you know you tried your best.

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The bits in red.

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**She stated that 'I do not have that relationship with your mum and why should i bother with formalities'

  • She stated that why do people ask me for help e.g. painting. I stated that family is family and so are friends and when they ask you determine whether you can help and you go and assist. She replied but **they have their own partners and you shouldn't need to help anyone.

  • I asked her regarding her expectations of marriage and she said that she came here and wants her own routineand not to follow a pre-existing one. That she is not a wife from Pakistan and if that is what I wanted then I should have gone back home. She stated that she will do what she wants to do and it is upto her. She isnt a SAHW. I stated that she is as she doesnt want to work, gym or voluntary

  • **I asked about making her husband breakfast and she said Islamically I do not have to do anything and I do enough, which she didn't get into. But she will make breakfast for me on my working from home day. The other days she can try but not promising anything.

****She stated that 'I do not have that relationship with your mum and why should i bother with formalities'

She stated that I am like martyr who likes to help my family and I shouldn't do as i have my own life

She then stated that she will always go home a week a month and whenever she wants as it is her family and she has a responsibility to visit and when she needs a break she will just go**
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