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Aray bhai, there is no sarcasm, yet. Why you feeling so touchy?
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How could you reach to conclusion being muslim means another sect?
Why is so important to be a Sunni or Shia instead of following the religion of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Prophet Abraham?
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By the way, this is not important at all. You can be whatever you choose to be.
Me very touchy right now.
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*Originally posted by Mr. K: *
How could you reach to conclusion being muslim means another sect?
Why is so important to be a Sunni or Shia instead of following the religion of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Prophet Abraham?
Faisal aviod sarcasm.
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One of these school of thoughts (sects) is the best interpretation of Islam, we cant think out of this box. If you claim to have anything else other than these, you would be considered as a representator of a new sect (sub-sect) that must have certain roots through these channels.
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One of these school of thoughts (sects) is the best interpretation of Islam, we cant think out of this box. If you claim to have anything else other than these, you would be considered as a representator of a new sect (sub-sect) that must have certain roots through these channels.
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The school of thoughts are stale and outdated. Think out of this box of school of thoughts.
Traditions adopted as religious laws. Christianity and Judaism laws become the madatory part of our religious belief in the name of hadith.
We have to start a new thread to discuss all these matters. The Islam we got where we are not allowed to question anything just keep following the religious leaders.
Is the message of Qur'an is synronized with these hadith books. Those guys who had written these books were quite phony characters majority of whom belong to a particular region.
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The school of thoughts are stale and outdated. Think out of this box of school of thoughts.
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Stale and outdated?
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Traditions adopted as religious laws. Christianity and Judaism laws become the madatory part of our religious belief in the name of hadith.
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You are losing us here. How did Christianity and Judaism laws became the mandatory part of our religious belief through hadith?
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We have to start a new thread to discuss all these matters. The Islam we got where we are not allowed to question anything just keep following the religious leaders.
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Not really. You are supposed to question things. That is the essential part of learning.
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Is the message of Qur'an in synronized with these hadith books. Those guys who had written these books were quite phony characters majority of whom belong to a particular region.
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Phony characters? Help us understand what do you know about these "characters" and how did you conclude they are phony? Is it because they belonged to a "particular region"?
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*Originally posted by Mr. K: *
The school of thoughts are stale and outdated. Think out of this box of school of thoughts.
Traditions adopted as religious laws. Christianity and Judaism laws become the madatory part of our religious belief in the name of hadith.
We have to start a new thread to discuss all these matters. The Islam we got where we are not allowed to question anything just keep following the religious leaders.
Is the message of Qur'an is synronized with these hadith books. Those guys who had written these books were quite phony characters majority of whom belong to a particular region.
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What you have said: isn’t it a school of thought? Maybe only a single person belongs to it and don’t have its particular name yet but it exists. There are as many sects(school of thoughts) as there are faces.
Bruce Lee: "I am all styles, yet i am no style"... think about it
This is not school of thought.
What I said is based on Qur'an. History or hadith can't be correct if it is against Qur'an.
Maybe detail wheneven get time....... belief in the words of Allah Subhana Wa Taala and trust Qur'an everything will turn out to be good in this world as well Hereafter.
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This is not school of thought.
....belief in the words of Allah Subhana Wa Taala and trust Qur'an everything will turn out to be good in this world as well Hereafter.
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This is a concept of one school of thought; others don’t agree with it so this debatable. we cant deny the fact - its a sect from wherever it came from. If somebody deny it; it can only because of two reasons.
(1) Telling a lie.
(2) He is ignorant of the fact.
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actually bao, the majority of the subcontinent belongs to the barailvi school.
- From what i've seen deobandis are far more in number.
Deobandis with the strict version of the religion (used to?) find support in wahhabi saudi arabia, even though wahabis are from a different imam, imam hanbal. and thus the deobandis are very organised and financially supported in comparison to the barelvis. which is why we see a growing talebanization (again, wahhabi/deobandi) in Pakistan,.
- Deobandis are actually at extreme odds with "wahabis". Also so-called wahabis do not follow any Imam in particular.
we see a growing talebanization (again, wahhabi/deobandi) in Pakistan
- I'm not sure I got this? "Talebanization" is only happening in the northern areas of pakistan mostly. That too is happening due to the madrassah culture, i.e. kid grows up, goes straight to madrassah, has the same ideas fed into him, and he grows up in the image of his elders.. this has nothing to do with any school of thought per se.
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How could you reach to conclusion being muslim means another sect?
Why is so important to be a Sunni or Shia instead of following the religion of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Prophet Abraham?
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I don't know why is it important to Follow A religion in the first place......
websites that "reveal" the "truth" about "deviant sects" are doing more harm to unity than anything else. But then again, unity is not their main concern anyway. Their main concern is to propagate their ideology by all means necessary, even if it means creating fitna in the ummah.
- Faisal, what do you suggest, that incorrect thoughts should not be exposed? Or what?
Sadly the results of such thinking are being manifested in the events taking place in Pakistan and rest of the world, where sunnis are killing shias, wahabbis are killing sunnis, jews are killing muslims, christians are killing whoever they can lay their hands on, so on and so forth.
- Exposing the deviance of such thoughts/cults is not responsible for the killings, but the teaching in a lot of madrassahs which also teach other things such as killing deviant ppl is something of great reward.
... Infact just to further your thought, i'd like to see how many websites you can pull up which actually suggest that such killings are religiously ok. Its fun to talk the talk, lets see if you can back it up.
By one estimate, in Pakistan, the Shias are 18%, ismailis 2%, Ahmediyas 2%, Barelvis 50%, Deobandis 20%, Ahle Hadith 4%, and other minorities 4%.
not really. most the mullas you see vocally speaking out in favour of the Taleban are infact deobandi. and wahhabi do follow a school, they trace their ideology from Ibn Tamiya but follow Imam Hanbal, which is why Hanbali mazhab is the state adopted school of Islam in KSA. Heres something from the same source :
*Although the majority of the Islamic population (Sunni) in Afghanistan and Pakistan, belong to the Hanafi sect, the theologians who have pushed Pakistan towards Islamic Radicalism for decades, as well as the ones who were the founders of the Taliban, espoused Wahabi rhetoric and ideals. This sect took its inspiration from Saudi Hanbali theologians who immigrated there in the 18th century, to help their Indian Muslim brothers with Hanbali theological inspiration against the British colonialists. Propelled by oil-generated wealth, the Wahhabi worldview increasingly co-opted the Deobandi movement in South Asia. *
not really. its happening in karachi for example. and since most of the madrassas these days happen to be deobandi sunni, it does have to do with a school of thought.
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By one estimate, in Pakistan, the Shias are 18%, ismailis 2%, Ahmediyas 2%, Barelvis 50%, Deobandis 20%, Ahle Hadith 4%, and other minorities 4%.
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That time is not far when these religious and religious-political groups will be sub divided into many sub-sects. Like Jamat-e-Islami, Tabligi Jamat, Dr. Israr, Dr. Parviz, Dawat-e-Islami; because the difference between these groups are so wide, they have their own ideology, their own religious thoughts and concepts. They bring their own religious teachings. It is very difficult to re-unit them again. Sometime they fight with each other even on collections of goat and cow skins during Eid ul Adha. They come on some common plate form just for their interests. For example in politics. Possibly the same conditions in other countries.
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I don't know why is it important to Follow A religion in the first place......
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And why is there not a reason?
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And why is there not a reason?
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There are more than one reasons NOT to follow religion. these reason can be found in my posts scattered all around this forum.
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I don't know why is it important to Follow A religion in the first place......
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And why is there not a reason?
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Once I met a Chinese; I asked her “do you believe in religion”. She said, “No I don’t, I believe there is no religion” then I asked, “It means you have a belief”. She never gave me answer to this question. I don’t know why.
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Once I met a Chinese; I asked her “do you believe in religion”. She said, “No I don’t, I believe there is no religion” then I asked, “It means you have a belief”. She never gave me answer to this question. I don’t know why.
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I know what you mean inuit. She obviously beleives in not beleiving in religion. Well, I don't beleive in anything which puts me in a position where I have to beleive in something which is unbeleivable.
It helps if you know how to spell "believe" in the first place...