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Yes, but I'm referring to the community that complained about the azaan on the loudspeaker.
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that must be because of the partiality from the authorities side. Is it a islamic country where you live.
I heard sometimes back that mosques in certain areas of dubai were asked to stop giving azan on loudspeaker because it was disturbing those drunk foreigners from sleeping in the morning.
This is the attitudes of muslims towards them who invade muslim lands.
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No, I live in Maryland, USA. Yes, there is a lot of "partiality" here. (actually, sometimes it can be far worse).
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so it seems it is only the fajr azaan through loudspeaker that is objectionable, since non-muslims will be disturbed?
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That may not be the main reason in all cases. That's just what the Christian community in our area complained about.
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well like someone said, it doesnt make sense to ask muslims or christians to stop ringing bells or using loudspeaker just like it doesnt make sense to put a ban on someone playing music blaring out of their car....unless they are doing it late night, around a hospital, or early morning...
so i would think only fajr is objectionable...?
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They will take every pretext to try against islam, and we muslims just obey them as if they are our masters. We forget who we areand what religion we belong to.
My question is Why should we obey non muslims and bring changes in our religion.
Yes I believe that banning loudspeaker is good. As I have proved Earlier.(Thread No 56 and 58) So ban it, for it goes against Islam and Not because Non muslims order us.
Whom Should we fear more Allah or those drinkers.
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"My question is Why should we obey non muslims and bring changes in our religion."
I dunno about in other places, but in our community, we listen to authority. Mainly the ones that are in charge are Chrsitians. :\
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Where ever it may, Even the muslims dont have the right to change their religion and here we are obeying unbelievers.
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We're obeying authority. It is not a must to say the azaan on the loudspeaker.
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Ignorance is not an excuse. Exaggeration in story telling is quite possible.
There is no problem minor ‘disturbing’ of few for benefit of others at large. Thats the rule everywhere in the world.
1-Azaan is good and has to be allowed by any means. Specially in a muslim country where majority is muslim.
2- Loudspeaker must only be used for Azaan. Next good thing, albeit optional, is Friday Khutba (basic Khutba and not prolonged discussion).
3- During early days of islam, there were still people who were not muslims.
4- Need for loudspeaker is because the houses are far away and have closed doors. The whole idea of Azaan is to make people hear the call for salaat!
5- If more than one masjids are close to each other then one masjid can be allowed with others taking turn next day etc. Just a thought. To avoid prolonged call for prayer every few minutes.
6- Only Azaan should be allowed and not any Dua etc. after Azaan.
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Debate still continues…I had forgotten about it…
DD (bhai/bhain)
Are these your thoughts on the subject or religious edicts? As for the minor disturbance of the few for the benefit of the large, who is too decide? According to El Prezidento Busho his actions are noble and for the good of humanity, I do not agree but does it matter? We are discussing “Principles” and religious sanctions. Now from what little I know of Islamic teachings, Allah certainly does not like those who frown upon the weak, are minorities living in Muslim amjorty countries not weak? They surely are at the mercy of the majority, doesnt that accord certain responsibilities on the majority? No one is asking for stopping the delivery of Azaan, issue here is very simple, as Muslims can we invade the God given privacy of other individuals?
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^ if they can dictate to the majority how to follow their religion, then maybe they are not exactly minorities.
Excellent points deedawar.
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First of all, let me clear…I am a male person.
Secondly, I think you are reading too much into my post.
Where did you get the idea of weak or strong in the discussion? is there any fight or conflict going on over this issue?
How can you say Azaan is good but want to stop at the same time using big issues like privacy?
If its a muslim country then what’s wrong in keeping rules of muslim liking?
1-Many muslims believe in not eating pork and many muslims by mistake end up eating pork since it is not all the time mentioned in food ingredients…should there be a ban on having pork at all in all the food items in non-muslim countries?
2-Or if some mulsims start saying church bell disturb their privacy while they live in no-muslim countries…should churh bell be banned in these places.
3- No water supply is present in many public bathrooms in non-muslim places so do you think muslims should force people to make this available for them? They have to get acquinted with the norm of the society and deal with it.
Same expectation applies to others who live in muslim countries.
BTW i have no idea why you brought the president’s discussion into it. presidents point of views do not deal with ‘minor’ issues like this!!
I did mention the control on using loudspeaker as not to abuse it and cause unnecessary disturbance in people’s lives.
Maybe one day a person get wrong impression (I don’t know why) that a ‘war is broken’ if azaan comes but certainly not everyday so just learn the rules of land.
Many muslims in non-muslim countries are adjusting to the local rules and customs and they must by all means conform to the need of the greater population. Nothing wrong with it.
You seem quite distorted in reading into this matter my friend.
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Thanks.
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OK DD Bhai, idea was to be socially correct.
You accuse me of having a distorted view of your writings yet have no qualms in distorting what is written by others. Either you do not have the mental faculty to understand what is written or you willfully reject contrary ideas, whatever does not matter. You are welcome to your ideas, if you cannot comprehend what is written by others then there is no point in having this discussion. Many thanks.
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Define ‘socially correct’.
Can it not be ‘socially correct’ that a person who is living in a place where a person must follow what majority want?
Is that not the teaching of ‘democracy’ as well?
Correct me if I am wrong in understanding yours or anyone else’s writing.
None is a factor I can assure you.
Read my response and give your opinion.
Well, you keep saying I cannot understand or comprehend what others said and… I completely disagree with you.
So,
Why make comment that I cannot understand or comprehend your point without responding to my comments directly???
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That’s right choti moti . It is not a must to say the azaan on the loudspeaker. And in fact using it is against sunnah and shariah..(Thread No 56 and 58)
What I wanted to stress up on is ‘Why should we muslims realise that, only when it created unpeach and disturbance among christians and other religionist.’
Why didn’t we realise it before when it nullified many of our prophet’s sunnah’s
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There is no deed in Islam that carries Thawab and gunnah both with is it.
But here when we recite quran in market places or perform prayer loudly using loudspeaker we invite gunnah while using the same thing for azan we invite thawab. how come.
As far as I know according to shariah We should avoid using or following ideas that carries suspicion with it.
As in the case of loudspeaker, when the suspicion is very evident. Many scholars as a result have supported its complete ban while others have supported its use.
And in such a situation of dilemma and suspicion the muslims scholars should have refrained from using loudspeaker (temporarily) and discuss it out under the guidance of Quran and shariah. If its permissible under shariah use it or else follow the Prophet.
Azan was given for last 1300 years without loudspeaker and no harm was done by it to the sunnah of Prophet or the non muslims. Remember the last haj of Prophet SAW, which had more than One Lakh Hajis and they did with out loudspeaker. Prophet even have shown us how to give sermons on that day by giving His last sermon.
Everything was done without loudspeaker. If they could do, why cant we. They are our models in Islam to follow.
We cosider loudspeaker to be good, and so we say…
(Need for loudspeaker is because the houses are far away and have closed doors. The whole idea of Azaan is to make people hear the call for salaat!)
but take a look at this hadith
Umar(RTA) said " Every innovation (loudspeaker is an inovation) is misguidance, even if the people consider it to be good.
I hope that instead of fighting, we better invite scholars :amamah:to find a solution to the problem.May Allah help us and give guidance.:insha:
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I do not see anything wrong with using a loudspeaker to call fellow Muslims to prayer. Perhaps by these “new innovations” that the Quranic verses were referring to were talking about the new ideas of Islam and how people are trying to corrupt the religion itself, as opposed to improving ways to practice our religion.
Then again, I may be wrong.