Oh come on you can't be so naive. Reality is that there is no way to control these madrassas/schools & all previous attempts to control, regulate or reform them have failed b/c of resistance from mullahs. Lal masjid is one good example. The burka mullah who controls that masjid is in defacto occupation of state land, but refused to vacate it despite all that happened there. The fact is state is weak. Police and laws enforcement officials are corrupt & ANYTHING can be done in the name of Islam & no one will question.
I understand what you are saying. I realize what I'm saying may sound naive, but Pakistan has to start somewhere. Madrassah folks force the government to allow foreign funding? Or is it because Government turns a blind eye because they care more about the votes they'll generate from there? Start with corruption, start with proper educational funding, start somewhere. When people have the choice to go to a school of own choosing because the government will afford it for them, then those misguided ones that misguide others will lose influence gradually. What're they gonna do, drag people out of better educational institutions?
Teggy everyone knows that madrassas are promoting a hard-line interpretation of Islam, which most mainstream muslims disagree with, and not just that, it's an embarassment for everyone. There was a nice little documentary on either ARY or GEO back when pakistani journalism was newly on TV, and they showed a madrassah for girls in Karachi, where lower middle class families were sending their kids in hopes their girls would be little miss holier than thou's and get great rishtas and all that jazz. They prohibited newspapers, internet, phones, any sort of outside communication, and the way their minds were warped was incredible. Families, once they found out what was happening to the girls, couldn't normalize them or get them out of the school, and so the news channel went to do a report on the school.
There are madrassas where they're taught that mathematics is haraam, where science is haraam, where tv is haraam, where everything apart from their beards and guns is haraam, and they use a period of time where Muhammad (SAW) was forced to fight back with jihad to protect his small group of muslim followers at that time as justification. They ignore the fact that jihad is only advocated in a military sense when people are being widely tortured and killed and the survival of the ummah is at stake, and advocate this state of war as a norm, not exception.
I just don't get who is funding these guys and what they're getting out of their mass destruction. This terorrism movement and perversion of Islam is not just happening in Pakistan, its everywhere. I mean look at that Boko Haram sect. Notice the similarities? They're always anti-education, esp education of girls. I don't get what they get out of prohibiting girls from going to school when Aisha (R) was the mother of education at her time, and where scholarly activity was promoted by Muhammad (SAW).
These guys are an embarassment, and I advocate the pakistani military goes door to door in FATA and rounds up foreign fighters, and hands them to the worst prison is Uzbekistan.
Oh come on you can't be so naive. Reality is that there is no way to control these madrassas/schools & all previous attempts to control, regulate or reform them have failed b/c of resistance from mullahs. Lal masjid is one good example. The burka mullah who controls that masjid is in defacto occupation of state land, but refused to vacate it despite all that happened there. The fact is state is weak. Police and laws enforcement officials are corrupt & ANYTHING can be done in the name of Islam & no one will question.
Just disgusting. Prayers go out to the all those injured or killed.
Valid point. Also, the forces responsible for creating these groups which are now uncontrollable and no matter what type of negotiating or peace talks you do, Its not going to accomplish anything and sadly there are going to be more terrorist attacks and more innocents will perish at the hands of these savages.
Okay, then the Government should stop allowing foreign funding, and provide its' own funding along with rules and regulations so that the curriculum is set with a Board of Educators overseeing it. Risk being that it would become politicized given the reputation of political parties in Pakistan.
Musharraf tried regulating the Masjids and madrassas and everyone went up in arms over this.
Mullahs do not want to follow the laws. They want to break all the laws, do illegal crap like land grab, and commit treason to a muslim state, and kill muslims.
Who were the people in the Karachi airport? Kaafirs? Is that what they were trying to do ? Do they see us as kaafirs? If they see me as a kaafir, I see them as a kaafir.
Musharraf had a lot of political baggage, and that didn't exactly help his image.
Isn't PML(N) thought to be from the right-center parties? May be they should try. Either I don't know Pakistani public, or it's just hard to believe that if Government makes it a top priority to educate the masses and heavily funded educational reforms any family would oppose. Or will they? I really don't know.
More urgently, the airports and all sensitive facilities need air tight security. It's just heartbreaking, and saddening to see the same sort of lapses occur over and over again. If any airliner, and more specifically if a foreign airliner was damaged or hijacked that would have come with a very heavy cost to Pakistani aviation. There are only a few airlines left that still fly to Pakistan as it is.
Oh come on you can't be so naive. Reality is that there is no way to control these madrassas/schools & all previous attempts to control, regulate or reform them have failed b/c of resistance from mullahs. Lal masjid is one good example. The burka mullah who controls that masjid is in defacto occupation of state land, but refused to vacate it despite all that happened there. The fact is state is weak. Police and laws enforcement officials are corrupt & ANYTHING can be done in the name of Islam & no one will question.
Sadly when we bring up Musharraf and what he did wrong as a leader, Lal Masjid comes up as a sore point for so many pakistanis. They actually believe that no one should have gone after Lal Masjid. It's incredible. I get these places are called "masjids", but you know I could put a fake santa clause costume on and call myself Santa, but I ain't no Santa.
These places are not true masjids. And their imams are not true muslims. People who incite muslims to kill and overthow the Pakistani government aren't even muslims to begin with.
There are in fact, rumors, that some of the "wise old men" bearded "mullahs" sitting in the FATA area dating back to the time of the Soviet Cold War are actually foreigners, and some of them are flat out CIA or Mossad agents, pretending to be muslims, inciting locals to go fight someone else's war for them. Rumors have been floating around of some of these madrassah leaders who do their 6 month tours in Pakistan, as actually agents from abroad, who aren't even muslim.
Isn't that more a reason for the Government to regulate them? Either I don't know Pakistani public, or it's just hard to believe that if Government make it a top priority to educate the masses and heavily funded educational reforms any family would oppose. Or will they? I really don't know.
The government is corrupt to the core. Do you think they will "heavily fund" educational reforms. The education system is already in a sad state of affairs.
The government is useless, they're too busy filling their pockets. Grass root movements need to take place where families are helped to send their kids to real schools rather than dumping them at Madrassas that offer free meals and the stamp of "hafiz" to their kids, and then later they find their kid is missing. Note, this really did happen. News from a few weeks ago of a young poor couple who dropped their kid off to a madrassah, and the madrassah is silent on where their kid went missing. Probably got a bomb strapped on him and he's off told to bomb something.
The government is corrupt to the core. Do you think they will "heavily fund" educational reforms. The education system is already in a sad state of affairs.
Exactly. This is why so many people are leaving Pakistan and immigrating. To get a better education and enlightenment elsewhere since real education in Pakistan is reserved for the elite.
The culture of "my kid is too good to sit next to your kid, cuz your family doesn't have as much money as us" needs to go. People need to be ashamed of themselves.
I'll give you an example. My naani's home in Pakistan is one on a line of homes along this street. The home at the end of the street was forcibly sold. The family was told by a mullah group - either you sell this home to us, or we'll do damage. The home owners on the street were freaked out, and told the family to not sell, but they sold nonetheless.
Now it is a madrassah/masjid. Hardliner green pagri walas. With a loud speaker that is going on all day long with lectures in arabic that no one can understand (sounds like he is just speaking in arabic rather than reciting Quran), and then doing political propaganda in Urdu at other times. He is violating all sorts of local and provincial laws. It's a residential area, they're not allowed to construct businesses or mosques or gathering areas on that land, it's only for homes. Now, there is all sorts of traffic of fundoos in the area, and I'm not even allowed out without a dupatta on, else someone might throw acid on me. Men with kalashnikov's come in and out of that mosque freely.
Oh come on you can't be so naive. Reality is that there is no way to control these madrassas/schools & all previous attempts to control, regulate or reform them have failed b/c of resistance from mullahs. Lal masjid is one good example. The burka mullah who controls that masjid is in defacto occupation of state land, but refused to vacate it despite all that happened there. The fact is state is weak. Police and laws enforcement officials are corrupt & ANYTHING can be done in the name of Islam & no one will question.
Lets close all madrassahs, all masajid, all universities, that will be a great start.
Lets close all madrassahs, all masajid, all universities, that will be a great start.
No, no one is asking for closing down all madrassas or schools, but they need to be reform & should less focus on jihad and killings. Madrassas used to produce scholars and teachers (likes of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan) now they are producing suicide bombers. Is it too much too ask what went wrong?
No, no one is asking for closing down all madrassas or schools, but they need to be reform & should less focus on jihad and killings. Madrassas used to produce scholars and teachers (likes of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan) now they are producing suicide bombers. Is it too much too ask what went wrong?
sarcasm Oh please don't ask that question, someone will say you're not muslim!!
^ our condolences to that man and his family. :( I hope these losses make Pakistan wake up and realize the horribleness of extremism in the muslim community worldwide, and for once we stop supporting extremists.
TTP has claimed responsibility for the Karachi Airport attack. i thought they do not attack general public as claimed by them earlier during the Govt-TTP negotiations.