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well to be honest, i first time heard of those arguments. and program was aired on PTV global.
(i know you gonna saying that it may be govt strategy to show different picture to the west as program was in english, but i never heard anyone else saying it before, also the reasonings paved by the guest in that program were very convincing and they did made sense to me at that time.)

it was aired today (acc to US standard time around 11am).

p.s. i had to do dishwashing na, iselya didnt pay much attention on the end credits :bummer: (otherwise i would have remember the name of anchor and guest)

but i will try to locate it :salute:

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What's news post it! Hurry.

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paktv my friend

in short:

Negroponte talked to musharraf and kiyani separately! hmmm
Musharraf reassured negroponte that emergency will be lifted as soon as it gets peaceful
Swat action is continuing, and 65 shiddat pasand have been knocked out
Protests all over Pakistan over shutting down of GEO
Press Union to continue its protests until all media business is resumed as before
Asma Jahangir sided with the channels that have refused to compromise and continue to fight against the stringent conditions.

That's pretty much all....looks like they're only airing for a short amount say about 5 mins or so...and highlighting just the headlines, no detail talk.

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Is it similar to govt exaggerated accusations against SC and media?

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thx me off to sleep.

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^ no prob.
have a good night
A.H.

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Don’t you know that it is public servants who arrest criminals, corrupts and thugs and put them into prison, Judge public and decides what punishments should be given to them, keep records of public properties, collect taxes and decides about public needs, make decisions for public, govern public and fight invaders to save the independence of country and see that no harm comes to country and public?

When public sends their representative to parliament, these representatives are suppose to serve public as their servants, and whatever policies and laws they make, all should be for public interest. Politicians get their votes (and posts) on condition that they would not do corruption. If after election, politicians start doing corruption then it becomes duty of public servants to throw them out of their office and punish them. Public servants should serve public's interest, and not politicians' interest, especially corrupt politicians.

Corruptions, nepotism, and misusing power in public office for personal gains is against the law and if politicians indulges in them than they lose the mandate to represent people. Corrupt politicians stop holding any legal posts even if they are PM (as corruption nullifies their representation) and it is duty of police to arrest such politicians and put them in prison.

Even in USA or UK, if President or Prime Minister breaks the law and misuses power, then police (public servant) arrest him and put him into prison. Such politician once found guilty loses his post. Police, judges, Intelligence agencies and army, all are public servants. In Pakistan, police and Judges are themselves dishonest or are scared of politicians, so army who are mostly honest and are not scared of these politicians does the job of police and judges.

I don’t know what absurd and rubbish you are trying to write? Imposing martial law to saveguard his kursi? Well, Pakistan is under martial law since 1999, don’t you know that? Since some people in Pakistan became berserk (Judges, lawyers, Journalists, etc), Musharraf on 3rd November reminded them that he is still from the army and his power base is army.

*As for treason, the people that deserve to get charged of treason are politicians who took public office as public representatives. The condition of being in that office is to serve the people honestly. Pakistani politicians betray the trust of the people when they govern the country with dishonesty and harm the country when they do corruption and nepotism, etc. *

Politicians who betray the trust of the people and harm the country are traitors and should be charged of treason. **As for public servant (army) who saves the country from dishonest and corrupt politicians cannot be ***traitor as it is his duty to serve and save the country from all ills, including corrupt politicians.*

To me, only those public servants are traitor who act against honest and committed politicians, not dishonest and crooks. To me, dishonest politicians are traitor as they take vote to serve the country but harm the country.

Just imagine (an example): **You hired a lawyer as your representative. You employed a servant to help this lawyer to serve you.**

*This lawyer went to court to represent your case and your servant is with him. In court your servant finds that your lawyer is disloyal to you and is selling your case for his own benefit. There is nothing your servant can do except let the lawyer sell your case or kick your lawyer, grab the case and do whatever he can to the best of his ability. *

What would you expect from your servant? Should he keep helping the lawyer or kick him? If your servant acts against your lawyer, would you consider him traitor? *.

Link this example to Pakitan, where politicians are lawyers and army is servant. If you would do that, you will know who is traitor and who is not.*

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You make some interesting points.

Geo and ARY have already fallen foul of the UAE authorities, and it is probable that they are too scared of broadcasting from the UK or USA because they might incur the wrath of regulatory authorities there as well? Why else would they not shift their HQ's to those countries? Nobody else has been able to provide an logical reason apart from you, thus far.

It just goes to show how much total and unprecedented media freedom there was in Pakistan under Musharraf pre-3rd November, that even the rest of the world also has problems with the Geo and ARY as well.

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Dubai reviewing decision on channels
DUBAI, Nov 17: Media authorities in Dubai said on Saturday they were considering whether to allow two leading private Pakistani news channels to resume broadcasting after shutting them down the day before.

“We are in contact with them… to see if there is a possibility to (allow them to) resume” broadcasting, Amina Rustamani, head of Dubai’s media watchdog told AFP.

The two networks, Geo and ARYOne, said on Saturday they were shut down on Friday night amid pressure from Pakistan’s military ruler Gen Pervez Musharraf.

Geo and ARYOne had been blacked out on cable in Pakistan since November 3, when Gen Musharraf imposed a state of emergency, but had still been available on satellite and the Internet until Friday night when they were fully closed.

Both channels said the Pakistani government had been pushing them to stop showing their political talk shows.

Mr Rustamani said the channels had long been operating out of Dubai Media City, a free zone where scores of regional and international news organisations are based.—AFP

http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/18/top8.htm

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Countrywide protest against closure of Geo News, ARY TV in Pakistan](http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=301072)

Islamabad, Nov 18 : Journalists, lawyers, political workers and civil society activists have staged protest demonstrations against curbs on the media especially shutting down of Geo News and ARY OneWorld in all major cities and towns of Pakistan. 

Responding to a call, given by the Pakistan Federal Union of Journalist (PFUJ) and the Rawalpindi-Islamabad Union of Journalists (RIUJ), hundreds of protestors participated in the demonstrations against the government for shutting down the transmission.

Speakers termed the closure of Geo TV and another channel as the economic murder of hundreds of journalists and other staff.

**Hamid Mir, Executive Editor of the Geo News, said the state security agencies were coercing the media men through various tactics. On the other hand, the government was pressurising the independent media with the help of the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting and PEMRA.
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Meanwhile, the All Pakistan Newspapers Society (APNS) and the Council of Pakistan Newspaper Editors Council (CPNE) have also noted with alarm the rapidly deteriorating environment of freedom of expression and freedom of press in Pakistan.

The APNS and the CPNE in a joint statement have said that the recent taking off the air of Geo and ARY news channels by the Dubai Government is viewed by all parts of the press, as a serious blow to any hopes for improvement in the situation.

The joint statement stated that the single most important step that needs to be taken today by the government is an urgent restoration of all television news channels in Pakistan.

The APNS and the CPNE are firmly of the view that freedom of the print media cannot be separated from the freedom of expression within the electronic media.

Since the same groups of editors and journalists comprise the work force of the entire press any blow sustained by a part of the press will cause irreparable damage to the rest of the media, The News reported.

RIUJ President Afzal Butt said after placing restriction on the print media, now the government has started to shut down the electronic media.

“But journalists will not allow the government to shut down the TV channels and impose curbs on the media through censorship,” he added.

The protesters said that on the one hand the government was claiming to be a champion of freedom of expression, but on the other, independent TV channels were being banned.

The Association of TV Journalists secretary announced that a ‘candlelit protest demo’ will be held outside the Geo offices on Monday.

He requested all media organisations, journalists, friends and civil society organisations to participate in the demonstration to express their solidarity and come along with candles in their hands.

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Don't know what world you are living in he is a traitor and should be charged with treason. He has pushed Pakistan to the brink of destruction just to save his kursi. Every dog has his day, his is coming fast and Inshallah the day is not far when people of Paksitan will get rid fo this cancer.

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err.. cost? do you know how much it costs to just up and start up new offices, get new licenses etc etc. its not something you can easily do in the short term. its a completely new investment, you're basically asking them to start a new network from scratch.

your whole theory of western governments being stricter than freaking UAE is laughable. and patently bull since there exists a Pakistani channel based in UK broadcasting in Pakistan (DM), much lower visibility and quality, but very stridently anti-Mush editorially, with very similar coverage to Geo and ARY. If anything Geo and ARY were much more moderate than this channel.

Since its run by British Pakies, Mushie cant do squat to them.

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yes exactly, I have been watching it but this one is out of the reach of Mush and he will just have to bear it while his draconian measures and brutal treatment of innocent people are exposed by this channel.

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I agree that every institution should do its own job. On the other hand you are saying that the army should run the country as the civilians are incapable of running it. You cannot have both. If the army is well-trained and funded that it is such an efficient organisation (debatable) then why are other institutions not as capable? Is the army being run by super humans? Where there is a will (at the top) there is a way. The army has run the country for more than half its existence and must take the blame if the civilian institutions are weak and remain weak. The judiciary was becoming a strong institution under the able leadership of CJ and started doing its job properly and guess what? the army did not like to be held accountable by a independent judiciary. Many people welcomed the army taking over and expected the politicians to be bought to book but instead they were offered immunity in return for supporting the dictator. The Joint Chief of Staff is supposed to be rotated or should go to the seniormost officer however it is the army that monopolises even that position. The other services do not get a chance. The army needs to be cut to size! It cannot run the country and do be a professional organisation at the same time. If the generals are so good at running the country then let them become politicians but we need an army that just focuses on its core role. We need a full-time army and not an army of part-timers.

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I don’t know what absurd and rubbish you are trying to write? Imposing martial law to saveguard his kursi? Well, Pakistan is under martial law since 1999, don’t you know that? Since some people in Pakistan became berserk (Judges, lawyers, Journalists, etc), Musharraf on 3rd November reminded them that he is still from the army and his power base is army.
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Pakistan was not under martial law before the recent imposition of martial law, otherwise why would the dictator need to impose martial law again if one was in place since 1999. Being the coward that he is, he feared that the judges would rule against him as it was illegal for him to be a paid public servant and then also to run for the position of President. He feared an institution that was doing its job efficiently in accordance with the constitution. If you say that the army does the job of the Judges then they should have told him to get on his bike. They should have arrested him when he imposed martial law as his orders were ultra vires. The action is an offence of treason. The army should have not acted upon illegal orders. Since this has not happened it suggests that the army is being run more as a personal fiefdom than a national institution. If an army chief in Britain or America tried to impose a martial his fellow generals would laugh at him, think that he had gone mad and put him in a lunatic asylum. Having one general remain chief of the army stunts the progress of that institution as generals are appointed on loyalty to the dictator as opposed to merit. If the army needs to take power every few years then that is a reflection on their past rule, when they failed to strengthen the civil institutions.

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As for treason, the people that deserve to get charged of treason are politicians who took public office as public representatives. The condition of being in that office is to serve the people honestly. Pakistani politicians betray the trust of the people when they govern the country with dishonesty and harm the country when they do corruption and nepotism, etc.
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Politicians who betray the trust of the people and harm the country are traitors and should be charged of treason. **As for public servant (army) who saves the country from dishonest and corrupt politicians cannot be ***traitor as it is his duty to serve and save the country from all ills, including corrupt politicians.*

To me, only those public servants are traitor who act against honest and committed politicians, not dishonest and crooks. To me, dishonest politicians are traitor as they take vote to serve the country but harm the country.
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I agree with you there however your beloved general has not taken any actions against the corrupt politicians and instead has used them and bought them in order to reamin in power.

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You hired a lawyer as your representative. You employed a servant to help this lawyer to serve you.
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*This lawyer went to court to represent your case and your servant is with him. In court your servant finds that your lawyer is disloyal to you and is selling your case for his own benefit. There is nothing your servant can do except let the lawyer sell your case or kick your lawyer, grab the case and do whatever he can to the best of his ability. *

What would you expect from your servant? Should he keep helping the lawyer or kick him? If your servant acts against your lawyer, would you consider him traitor? *.

Link this example to Pakitan, where politicians are lawyers and army is servant. If you would do that, you will know who is traitor and who is not.
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The correct analogy would be that the servant then uses the information in order to blackmail the lawyer. The servant is more corrupt than the lawyer. It serves the interests of the servant to encourage the lawyer to not do his job properly so that he can then use that to gain greater privileges. The servant aides and abettes the wrong doing, as the lawyer would have thought twice before committing the act if he knew that the servant would reamin faithful to his employer. The servant in this case is the army.

We are doing the country a disservice if we hold the army above criticism. The true patriots are the ones that attack it and in turn try to make it more efficient.

We need to move away from politics of personalities and instead strengthen our institutions, and here lies the salvation of the country. We need an independent media and judiciary to keep the politicians in check.*

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news is back, its coming on geo uk

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Yar, you thought that Pakistan government really wanted to get them off the air? It was a good dose, that's all :).

Pakistan have already starting to relax their ban with warnings (I do not know if completely ban would get lifted before election or not). If Pakistan wants to really stop GEO news, they do not have to ask other countries to do that, for that, Pakistan would crack down on all GEO affiliated journalists in Pakistan and also on foreign based Pakistani GEO Journalists that might visit Pakistan. This would deprive GEO from any news coming from Pakistan. Further, Pakistan could also jam GEO Satellite frequency from transmitting in Pakistan. Pakistan might even start crackdown on all GEO affiliated companies (Jang-groups of companies) in Pakistan. There are many methods to ban a channel. :)

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Zobia,
appreciate your response on this.
I’m quite surprise that this has been aired on PTV. Especially in times where we would not consider India as enemy nr. 1 when mentioning cross border terrorism. I would be very much astonished, If this news can be confirmed by some sources. I will definately have a look at this subject.
And yea next time, pay less attention to your dish washing and do some good job to feed me with present news. since I don’t have Pak Channels running on my TV Set :slight_smile:
THanks.

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yeah i was thinking the same thing

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they’ve resumed headline news bulletins only.. Geo uk
:jhanda:

Geo News as in with all its other current affair programmes is off air..

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i guess the aim mainly was to get the anti-govt current affairs programmes off air, like hamid mir, shahid masood. they dont have any issues with entertainment and bollywoodesque programming and "news" items.