Areas are breaking away?

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In some other thread I did say that our government gave them a chance to grow. And I am not against madrassas, I am up for all proper institutions like Sheikh Zaid Islamic Center in Karachi but over here i am taking about the madrassas open on illegal land, run by people who are black mailing innocent poor people on the name of Islam. And I am talking about arabs like usama bin ladin, amin al zawai, and other arab terrorists are black mailing people on the name of Islam. And they are not preachers, preachers don't spread hatred, preachers don't tell to kill innocents blindly, preachers don't recommand suicide, suicide is haram in Islam. So they are not preachers, they are terrorists, they are criminals.

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Lusi Dude,

You forgot to mention tons and tons of money we get from arab countries(non-refundable).
They do respect and love us as a nation, they may not love us as individuals(can you really blame them)

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Here are some factoids for you KA.

  1. Arabs giving "tons and tons" of money through Pakistani workers also give "tons and tons" of money to India, Sri Lanka, Phillippines, and BDesh. So no special favor especially they have put so much restrictions on Pakistani worker visas.

  2. Pro-American Arabs giving "tons and tons" of money to Pakistan for strategic purposes are themselves under attack from Ben Laden and his lackeys.

So don't get confused too much.

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Dude don't so blind in your hatred..
I still have indian friends asking me "what about pakistan uae/arab likes so much??"

read my lips

Money is given to pakistan Govt. non refund able.
No services provided to any one.... just for the sake of supporting freakin corrupt republic of pakistan.(I believe you never lived in pak???)

TO HARD TO BELIEVE?? ask some one first then consider it before you post you emotional pleas against arabs.

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AND dude I was raised in pakistan...
WE may be known to be stupid BUT WE ARE VER SINGLE MINDED PEOPLE.
No confusion.
Confusion is gift given to ABCD from west.

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Madam!
You are the one who is adding "innocent" to civilians.
Read my post again. I said if a tribe became enemy of state, then our Messenger pbuh did the following:

  1. Killed all the men (minus few who repented).
  2. Distributed women and children of the enemy tribe among Muslims
  3. Distributed land of the enemy tribe among Muslims.

For exact names etc. read Ghazwa Khandaq and Khyber accounts will ya?

it is you who are disrespecting our Messenger pbuh by adding the word "forced marriage".

Read again and you will find that enemy tribe's men were killed and their women were taken as wives, slaves etc.

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Let's move away from the stories of Angels and deamons.

It is pretty simple, if you live in a state, you obey the laws.
If you don't obey the laws then you get punished.
If you commit terrorism (that is so common among wahabi Arabized Muslims) then you will be thrown in Gitmo.

Nobody is responsible of fitna (terrorism), except the fitna-baaz (terrorist) who creates fitna.

Do you ever think of punishing a mother for his adult kid's crime? No!
By blaming Pakistan, you are trying to divert the blame in a kind of lame way.

If an adult commits a crime, only he or she should be brought to justice.

If a tribe commits a crime, then only that tribe should be given punishment just like our Messenger pbuh punished the offending tribes.

It is simple, if you try to understand.

Peace and Salaams.

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I meant non combatant people.

Thats a lie, only those men should be killed who fight with weapons , a sahabi Khalid bin Walid(ra) killed some non muslim men after they laid down their arms, when Prophet(SAW) heard this he got very annoyed and said "O Lord I am not responsible for what Khalid has done."
And remember all of them were Kuffar and not muslim.

Not for the pleasure but to look after those women and children who were the war prisoners, most of them were reverted to Islam and were free.
PS: The slavery has been abolished.

Muslims can only take property of those who're fighting against them, from general public of conquered land army cannot take anything without paying, Abu Bakr(ra) used to tell Muslim armies being dispatched to the battle-from that they should not even use the milk of the cattle without the permission of the owners.

I have, you need to read them.

No, the way you wrote " he took a wife from..." was very disrespectfull.

I've already answered it.

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Why in gitmo? Why not in Pakistan?

Not true. ISI and CIA are responsible for creating these people for their purpose, after using them they tried to finish them off by dropping bombs on them.

You're right, No. But parents are responsible for their child's bad behaviour by spoiling and not teaching the difference between right or wrong to him/her.

I'm blaming Pakistani gov not the whole nation.

Only after he or she is guilty as proven of commiting the crime. Or he or she can also be forgiven in certain circumstances.

Wrong......again. Prophet Muhammad(SAW) only killed those kaafir who were fighting against muslims.
Although in Abu Bakr(ra)'s khilafa when some muslims refused to pay zakat and waged war against muslims then Abu Bakr(ra) fought against them, again non combatant people were saved.
In swat or wazirastan only few people are fighting but mush is dropping bombs on non combatant people including women and children.

Yes it is very simple only if you try to understand.

Peace and Salaam to you too.

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hareem you know what, some people have parallel mantle paths to avoid truth.
We can only pray for them.
Wish to change them is not very easy.
Most of the people on GS don't want learn but to argue.

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All those people were fighting the Muslims, it was not as if some of them were caught in cross fire..... also read your own explaination "minus few who repented".

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I remember arguing with a radical muslim about beheading war prisoners, he came up with similar arguments, he believed that it is ok to kill captured non-muslims even if they're innocent.
I tried my best to make him understand the rights of enemies and war prisoners according to Qur'an and Sunnah but......but it is Allah who gives guidance.

May Allah give us all the right understanding of our religion Islam. Amen

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Summa Ameen

We are facing a two headed monster in the form of the radicals and these secularist anti-Pakistanis. Antiobl and co. have repeatedly spread lies and caused problems for the patriotic Pakistanis trying to solve this mess.

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I am very alarmed at how the people who should be doing thier government jobs in NWFP are just picking up and fleeing at the sight of these guys.

Its not acceptable. Lets assume some self-responsibility. I think this problem is not just one group's fault. Everyone shoulders responsibility - the MMA for ignoring/promoting Radio Mullah's growth in NWFP - the army for slacking off and feeding off NWFP instead of allowing the gov't to develop it - the political parties who are more interested in their seats - the religious extremist sympathizers in our country who think we "need to give these people a chance" - and the people on the other extreme who are too busy with fashion and eating out at McDonalds who think that its okay to treat the average Pakistani like trash because they're the elite.

I hope I'm making my stance on this issue very clear.

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PCG,
As long as fashion is promoted on the same level as is extremism and that so freely in this country. People like DP, HSY and AA will reign over Pak's fashion world. While people like Mushy,Altaf and Mullah's will reign over Pakistan. And yet one will NOT question the other.

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Yeah??? fire them!!

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i think you are confusing prophet mohammed for prophet issa with the 2000 years timeline :)

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No, I am not confusing. It was just an example and I sure you are smart enough to get the point that I am talking about present arab world. :)

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Problem with extremists(liberal or conservative ) They are not ready to listen to other people. They have this strange confidence in them being right at ALL times.

Its scary doesn't matter what side they take(mush or usama) they would definatly do some damage to society and humanity.
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We cant assume self responsibility - its just not us. We can only blame outsiders.

Pakistan is failing as a nation - it is a natural country gone wrong - the people from top to bottom are not developing it.

We allow corruption to take place and then we complain when people sell themselves to our opponents yet we dont mind selling our selves to who we want too.

You should be alarmed because they mean to kill - and not many people want to have a premature death with young families to feed. Plus they have no back-up. Musharraf had a golden chance to change Pakistan but he failed. i am dreading the day "democracy" comes back under Bhutto or Sharif.

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^ So then why do you guys defend the extremists, if you feel this way?

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dont you ever.. ever..EVER… try to overestimate my intelligence again :nono: