Areas are breaking away?

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That is right. There is no care for the northern areas. On the other thread, a member with the word Pak is willing to accept an independent Pakhtunistan, while I, having 100% Pakistani Pakhtun blood is saying that we should stop this madness and bring our country together.

Where is Pakistani sovereignty? I can't seem to find find it between our soldiers being held captive to our civilians getting bombed out, who is winning? I only see destruction.

I am not willing to give an inch of Pakistan from Karachi to Kashmir - I don't care about the hate, if you're Pakistani, lets sit down and solve this.

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Afghanistan is the source of Talibanic cancer. I thought you knew about it (by now hopefully).

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Amen brother,

Then please don't use too much irony in your posts. Be clear just like you are in this post.

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How come you don't consider those Pashtuns innocent who are murdered by Talibs?

And just keep giving us lectures. Why Talibs are being given free ride by the likes of you, and Pakistan can't lift its finger to chase (and kill) these vermin?

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If you say that we are brothers:

  • then condemn all strikes against civilians.
  • put the respect of Pakistani sovereignty before any outside powers.

In regards to solving this crisis:

  • All outsiders need to vacate FATA, Sarhad.
  • Pakistani military must cease operations targeting towns or population centers.
  • Pakistani foriegn policy must move away from US, UK and NATO interests.
  • ISI and all Pak Govt agencies must stop support for extremists.

This will put a stop to the bleeding.

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Taliban terrorists growing ever more powerful
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\09\story_9-11-2007_pg7_6

Taliban threaten Mir Shakil, Jang Group

KARACHI: The All Pakistan Newspaper Society (APNS), the Council of Pakistan Newspaper Editors (CPNE) and the Pakistan Broadcasters Association (PBA) have all condemned the intimidation and threats directed against Mir Shakilur Rehman, owner and chief executive of Jang Group, the country’s largest media group.

Rehman is the chairman of the PBA and former president of the APNS and the CPNE.

Briefing members of these organisations, Rehman said he had been subjected to great pressure and threats since the beginning of 2007, including an attempt on his life, for which he had filed a criminal complaint in a city police station in Karachi. He said that he had faced the pressures and challenges to the best of his ability but found it necessary to inform the media community of the threatening situation faced by him.

Rehman said the latest threat to the Jang Group was an email by a Taliban outfit, which had threatened to blow up the printing press and the staff of the Jang publications unless they stopped printing photographs of young women. online

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\09\story_9-11-2007_pg7_4

Chinese stop work after forces abandon Swat posts

PESHAWAR: Chinese engineers stopped construction work on three hydel projects on Thursday after police abandoned their station and 50 soldiers their survey camp, when militants from Swat began making their presence felt in Shangla district, officials and eyewitnesses said.

“Chinese engineers from Dong Fing, National Water Resource Company and 600 support staff have left Shangla, and work on Khan Khwar, Allai Khwar and Dubear Khwar projects has been suspended indefinitely,” Project Director (PD) Atta-ur-Rehman confirmed. The project director said Chinese engineers stopped work on security grounds as police abandoned Shangla police station late Wednesday night after threats from militants.

Official sources said 50 army jawans helping the Earthquake Rehabilitation and Reconstruction Authority also abandoned their camp and shifted to Abbotabad. NWFP Home Minister Shehzada Gustasip Khan said he had received reports to this effect but official channels had not yet confirmed the same.

Security officials confirmed the developments: “The Chinese have moved out for security reasons.” A local journalist in Alpuri said the Chinese moved to Ghazi-Barotha. Some NGOs also closed down offices in the district and “Shangla residents are gripped by fears militants will overrun the district,” he added. Alarm bells rang for the Chinese when masked men destroyed TV sets at restaurants in Bisham town on Tuesday. Meanwhile in Swat, militants announced that government servants should resume work and students their study in areas where they were in control.

President Pervez Musharraf cited growing militancy in the country as the main reason for imposing a state of emergency. However, militants continued their march, thereafter, taking control of more areas in Swat and now moving into neighbouring Shangla. iqbal khattak

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\09\story_9-11-2007_pg1_6

60 FC men surrender in Swat

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: Sixty Frontier Constabulary (FC) personnel from FC’s Drushkhela camp on Thursday surrendered to Taliban militants in the Matta tehsil of Swat, Geo TV reported.

According to the channel, the militants besieged FC’s Drushkhela camp on Thursday. After some talks, at least 60 FC personnel surrendered to the militants and handed over their weapons to them. These FC personnel will be treated like guests, the channel quoted a Taliban spokesman as saying.

On Wednesday, dozens of paramilitary troops and police surrendered their weapons to the militants and retreated from Kalam early on Wednesday, a police official told AFP.

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^ This needs to end. What the hell is going on here? Why aren't the government officials fighting, why are they just giving up so easily????

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See, its because chief justice was not doing his job properly.

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No no, it's all Musharraf's fault. If he was not there, there would be NO Taliban!

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Sir! I can't find any proof or reference where Prophet(SAW) killed innocent civillians, can you?

But I already know that, still can't find any reference of innocent, unarmed men, women or children being killed by muslims.

You are saying this in a very disrespectful way that it gives the reader an impression that Prophet(SAW) forced her to marriage, here is the account and background of Prophet(SAW)'s marriage with Juveriyah(ra) and Saffiyah(ra).

A major reason for the Messenger’s marriages was to form strong relationships with the people around him. It is known that when one marries from a family or a clan, one form new relationships and one’s in-laws come to help if need arises. Here are some examples, which show the political reasons behind the Messenger’s marriages.

First, the Prophet (peace be upon him) married Al Sayedah Juwayriah, the daughter of Al Harith who was the leader of the tribe of Bani Al Mustalaq. She together with the whole tribe had been taken war prisoners by the Muslims in one of the battles. She, as the daughter of the tribe’s leader came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) to ask for money to pay as a ransom to be set free. The Prophet (peace be upon him) offered to pay the ransom for her and marry her. The Muslims thought it was not befitting to keep the Prophet’s in-laws as prisoners of war so they set them all free. Seeing the Muslim’s noble -mindedness, the whole tribe of Bani Al Mustalaq embraced Islam.

Second, in the military Battle of Khybar, Al Sayedah Saffiah, the Muslims captivated the daughter of Huyay ibn Akhtab after her husband had been killed. The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) gave her the choice, either (a) to set her free and he would marry her or (b) to set her free and she would return to her Jewish family. Seeing the Prophet’s nobleness of character, decency and gentlemanliness, she chose to be set free and be his wife. Moreover, she, as well as many people with her, embraced Islam.

**You asked:
Was she fighting? or was she not a woman?

Yes, she was a woman and she wasn't fighting, she was a war prisoner, but was she killed? or was she treated badly by muslims? Ofcourse not.
**
So what are you trying to prove here?

Doesn't mean Mush is an angel and he doesn't have blood of innocents on his hands.

Prophet Muhammad(SAW) didn't create any fitna like Pakistani Government has created al-qaida or taliban.

First they made these people and now only innocents are dying in cross fire, is that fair?

You're the one who's comparing Prophet(SAW) with Paki gov, not me, I'm only trying to make you understand that the current situation of Pakistan has nothing to do with Islam or Islamic shariah.

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Any proof that im a Talib? - you need to stop name-calling - it dont suit a man of your age. If i am a Talib then you are promoting the Zionist agenda.

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So whats the point - Afghanistan under NATO and USA occupation is spreading Talibanic cancer to FATA//NWFP - It appears as if the real threat to Pakistan has ben identified then!

One does not have to be pashtun to stand up for Pashtun interests - I hope not all Pakistanis think on ethnic lines otherwise we are pretty much doomed.

These tribal vermin you probably detest but Waziristan is as much as an important part of Pakistan as Lahore is and Karachi is!

Moderate Pashtuns are being killed because the army is not doing much about it.

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I don't get why Pakistanis have to worship these freaking arabs. Whenever these arabs have issues with Pakistanis they throw them out of the country, why can't we do that? Why do we think that we can only be Muslims by following these freaking arabs who are a curse on our nation, our country, our Pakistan. It is a shame that we are fighting among ourselves on these pieces of crap from arabia.

Ands Please don't bring Prophet Muhammad pbuh in all this because I am not taking of arabia 2000 years back but the arabia of today that is filled with wahabi filth, that is destrying the image of Islam. They are threat to Islam.

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Yes, it is his fault that he gave them the chance. He should have taken action when they were just trying to set their feet on our ground. He did the same thing with waziristan and then lal masjid. He gave them 4 months or so in lal masjid for no reason and the end result was the loss of innocent lives. Loss of innocent people who came to pick their children up, pick their daughters, they were arrested, they were beaten, they were killed for the crimes they had never committed. Shame on Musharraf!

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I don't think there are many Arabs in Pakistan, but there are so many Pakis living in Arab countries peacefully.

There are some very good people amongst wahabis or salafis so please have some respect for this sect........or you only give your respect to mrassis?

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I don't care how many arabs there are, when they do something wrong in our country, they should be kicked out of the country. No compromise!

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haha.....do you think lal masjid people and all the talibans in swat and wazirastan are Arabs?

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Well we cannot deny the fact that it was arabs who came and started all these training camps in pakistan, they are the ones who are sourcing these camps, and no all of them are not arabs but they are the source of all this, they plan, the find illiterate folks who blindly accept their version of islam, they use those people as their tools, as their sheilds. They are using our people against us. It is an alarming situation. And there is no justification, instead of justifying them, we need to find ways to get our people back, it is time that we start providing our people their basic needs, provide them with a balanced education that would meet the needs required in the workforce and also proper islamic education by graduates in islamic studies from universities.

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Well, yes it was some arab wahabi preachers who came in these areas on the call of ISI, so don't forget that it was ISI who started it all to make jihadis to destroy SU.
With rest I agree, I believe there are some good maddrassas(not like lal masjid) in Pakistan, may be we need more......
There are some brilliant universities in Arab countries like Al-Azhar of Egypt, Zaytuna of Syria and Dar Al-Mustafa of Yemen, also here in the west many revert muslims are working for traditional islamic education like Shaykh Hamza Yusuf of California.
So Arab world is not filled with wahabis, and not all the wahabis believe in suicide bombing etc.