Re: Northern Areas are breaking away.
I can't see any difference between zionist western soldiers and Pakistani soldiers. Both are the brutal murderers and killers of innocent human beings.
oh yes and your heroes are sucide bombers hitting civilians whether in Israel or in Pakistan, thansk for reminding us. wait you live in Uk right, maybe you have a soft spot for the ppl who bombed the transport system as well.
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oh yes and your heroes are sucide bombers hitting civilians whether in Israel or in Pakistan, thansk for reminding us. wait you live in Uk right, maybe you have a soft spot for the ppl who bombed the transport system as well.
shut up Mr.
Re: Areas are breaking away?
Hareem our soldier have human side too.
They don't want to kill our own ppl
SO mush has to send choppers+F16s
Re: Northern Areas are breaking away.
shut up Mr.
sure, but explain how you want to deal with people who are targeting innocent people and then hiding among population to be safe. have a hug-fest and give them stars on their homework?
lets be realistic. They need to be tackled period, and scores of Pakistani soldiers have died because the military was tryign to do things in a way to minimize civilian casualties other wise cluster bombing and tossing daisy cutters and bunker busters would have done teh job pretty effectively without loss of militiary personnel. but heypeople with a soft spot for these militants would come up with excuses, and that is expected.
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sure, but explain how you want to deal with people who are targeting innocent people and then hiding among population to be safe?
Peacefully.
Re: Northern Areas are breaking away.
Peacefully.
on whose terms? those who want to impose their thoghts on everyone, and those who will continue to use Pakistani soil to plan and wage attacks in afghanistan and elsewhere?
sure, tomorrow if these guys say, we are no longer going to be terrorists and support terrorists, peaceful resolution is okay.
peaceful settlement can not be made on the terms that they are let to do whatthey want, engage in terrorist activities, cross border raids, hiding and supporting foriegn fighters etc.
Re: Northern Areas are breaking away.
I can't see any difference between zionist western soldiers and Pakistani soldiers. Both are the brutal murderers and killers of innocent human beings.
A regime backed by the Western Society can only and only use the word "collateral damage". Many have used this excuse in War on Terror so let us imply this on Pakistan's War on Terror as well.
Re: Northern Areas are breaking away.
on whose terms? those who want to impose their thoghts on everyone, and those who will continue to use Pakistani soil to plan and wage attacks in afghanistan and elsewhere?
sure, tomorrow if these guys say, we are no longer going to be terrorists and support terrorists, peaceful resolution is okay.
peaceful settlement can not be made on the terms that they are let to do whatthey want, engage in terrorist activities, cross border raids, hiding and supporting foriegn fighters etc.
Well, in these attacks from pak army mostly may be only civillians are dying.
Killing innocent Pakistanis won't bring any good to Pakistani Nation, you are killing one suicide bomber and creating 100.
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A regime backed by the Western Society can only and only use the word "collateral damage". Many have used this excuse in War on Terror so let us imply this on Pakistan's War on Terror as well.
What if mush starts attacking punjab and sindh like this, will they use the same excuse then?
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Peacefully.
Yes "peacefully" like Mohammad pbuh dealt with the "trouble makers"
Yes "peacefully" like Americans dealt with their trouble makers.
Here is the detail for those who tend to forget the history.
How Mohammad pbuh dealt with enemies of state / anarchists
They were warned, and when they refused to listen, Islamic forced beseiged them. Trouble maker (munafiqs etc. ) men were put to sword, and their women and children were taken as slaves.
How Americans (and other successful nations) deal with their enemies of state.
David Koresh: Once the Koreshis fired at law-enforcement officers, Americans sent in tanks and helicopters. In the end, the whole Koreshi compound was burned to the ground. 80+ Koreshis including men, women, and children were burned.
Ruby Ridge: The family members of trouble maker were killed or apprehended.
Southren rebels in the American civil war were crushed to smithereens. Miles wide swath from Atlanta to Swana was burned and pillaged by the American army. The punishment was so grave that southern rebels remember till today.
Now we have terror sympathizers in Pakistan who say that suiciders and anarchists should be dealt "peacefully".
Yeah peacefully!
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What if mush starts attacking punjab and sindh like this, will they use the same excuse then?
^ I hope he does so ppl can wake up and do some thing about it
Re: Areas are breaking away?
Hareem, that's utter BULL. What do you think the government has been doing for the past few years? These guys have been festering in NWFP since America went into Afghanistan, and since then they've been trying to engage them in peaceful dialogue. They have had MMA in the government for that reason - to be a go between to negotiate peacefully with these terrorists.
Walking in and taking Swat, taking down the Pakistani flag, and putting up their own flag, is a terrible sign. There is a limit to peaceful negotiations, and the Prophet's history shows this to us. The Prophet dealt with treason very intensely - he killed anyone caught committing treason. So, why is it that when it comes to some bearded guys in NWFP, you have a soft spot?
Re: Areas are breaking away?
I wonder what our braver ISI jawans were doing when mullah was set up radio station. hmmmm ohhh wait they were busy helping out rulers prolonging their rule. That very important work too. more important then county going on civil way... wouldn't you agree
Welll look, you people need to make up your mind. Here we have Hareem requesting we peacefully deal with them, and you agree with her, and yet you criticize the government for not taking action?
Do you or do you not think that this nonsense in NWFP in Swat needs to be dealt with militarily by the government?
Make up your mind.
Re: Areas are breaking away?
Hareem, that's utter BULL. What do you think the government has been doing for the past few years? These guys have been festering in NWFP since America went into Afghanistan, and since then they've been trying to engage them in peaceful dialogue. They have had MMA in the government for that reason - to be a go between to negotiate peacefully with these terrorists.
Walking in and taking Swat, taking down the Pakistani flag, and putting up their own flag, is a terrible sign. There is a limit to peaceful negotiations, and the Prophet's history shows this to us. The Prophet dealt with treason very intensely - he killed anyone caught committing treason. So, why is it that when it comes to some bearded guys in NWFP, you have a soft spot?
Agree!
One correction though. Swat, Bajore and Malkand problem is much older than 2001 drubbing of these Afghan Talibanics.
Re: Areas are breaking away?
Hareem, that's utter BULL. What do you think the government has been doing for the past few years? These guys have been festering in NWFP since America went into Afghanistan, and since then they've been trying to engage them in peaceful dialogue. They have had MMA in the government for that reason - to be a go between to negotiate peacefully with these terrorists.
Walking in and taking Swat, taking down the Pakistani flag, and putting up their own flag, is a terrible sign. There is a limit to peaceful negotiations, and the Prophet's history shows this to us. The Prophet dealt with treason very intensely - he killed anyone caught committing treason. So, why is it that when it comes to some bearded guys in NWFP, you have a soft spot?
Oh oh
I remember some thing too
In what years heads were being chopped off??
May we do need to redefine things.
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What if mush starts attacking punjab and sindh like this, will they use the same excuse then?
well Karachi was attacked like that, i dont see many suicide bombers emerging from Karachi after the several karachi sieges by paramilitary forces.
personal choice bhi koi cheez hoti hai.
Re: Northern Areas are breaking away.
Yes "peacefully" like Mohammad pbuh dealt with the "trouble makers"
Here is the detail for those who tend to forget the history.
How Mohammad pbuh dealt with enemies of state / anarchists
They were warned, and when they refused to listen, Islamic forced beseiged them. Trouble maker (munafiqs etc. ) men were put to sword, and their women and children were taken as slaves.
Don't hide the truth nor mix truth with falsehood antiwhatever.
Are you trying to tell us that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) murdered innocent, unarmed men, women and children? (Audhubillah)
Let me remind you the true history.
My Prophet Muhammad(may peace and blessings be upon him) even forgave the person who brutally murdered his uncle, Hamza(ra) bcoz that person declared Shahadah. And that person killed Musilma Kazzab, a false prophet.
Yes "peacefully" like Americans dealt with their trouble makers. How Americans (and other successful nations) deal with their enemies of state.
David Koresh: Once the Koreshis fired at law-enforcement officers, Americans sent in tanks and helicopters. In the end, the whole Koreshi compound was burned to the ground. 80+ Koreshis including men, women, and children were burned.
Ruby Ridge: The family members of trouble maker were killed or apprehended.
Southren rebels in the American civil war were crushed to smithereens. Miles wide swath from Atlanta to Swana was burned and pillaged by the American army. The punishment was so grave that southern rebels remember till today.
Now we have terror sympathizers in Pakistan who say that suiciders and anarchists should be dealt "peacefully".
Yeah peacefully!
And to hell with American policies, don't ever try to compare Prophet of Islam with American Government.
Re: Areas are breaking away?
Hareem, that's utter BULL. What do you think the government has been doing for the past few years? These guys have been festering in NWFP since America went into Afghanistan, and since then they've been trying to engage them in peaceful dialogue. They have had MMA in the government for that reason - to be a go between to negotiate peacefully with these terrorists.
Walking in and taking Swat, taking down the Pakistani flag, and putting up their own flag, is a terrible sign. There is a limit to peaceful negotiations, and the Prophet's history shows this to us. The Prophet dealt with treason very intensely - he killed anyone caught committing treason. So, why is it that when it comes to some bearded guys in NWFP, you have a soft spot?
You just worry for your BI.
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Welll look, you people need to make up your mind. Here we have Hareem requesting we peacefully deal with them, and you agree with her, and yet you criticize the government for not taking action?
Do you or do you not think that this nonsense in NWFP in Swat needs to be dealt with militarily by the government?
Make up your mind.
ok
here
Now we need chopper + F16s
6 years ago that could have bn fixed with slapping around.
Understand?????
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He has to prolong his tenure - he has no other choice. I would do the same thing. What’s the alternative? Handing things over to BB? She’s already said she’d allow the US military in to handle this - and that’s going to create another Iraq. Do you want Abu Gharaib prisons being constructed in NWFP?
Nawaz sharif, BB, MMA, PML, the army, the judiciary, everyone is corrupt, and everyone has allowed this to happen. The reporters were on this a while back and they saw these developments happening, and not even your civilians were doing much to stop it. Where were the protests? Where was the medical community trying to push for polio vaccines? Where were the do-gooder NGO’s for the past few decades when these regions have been allowed to disintegrate into jahaaliyat with minimal education for the villagers? Some of these villages don’t even have basic electricity TO THIS DAY.
This situation is out of control. If he steps down, its all going to get much worse.
There are definitly problems - why the military and civil servants running from their posts with their skirts high in these areas, I dont understand. I’m sure they have orders to stay their ground, but maybe the militants are too well armed.
The fact that they just took a friggin paramilitary post. 
Lord have mercy.