Are You engaged/married to a LOSER?

It’s mandatory for all guppy/guppans to read this and those that have read this will lose all whining rights for life1 cuz they have been warned! If u are already living with a person like this please seek help and don’t beat yourself up for something that is not your fault, yes it is NOT your fault. A highly recommended read!

Are you dating a Loser? Identify Losers, Controllers and Abusers in Relationship
“The Loser” is a type of partner that creates much social, emotional and psychological damage in a relationship. “The Loser” has permanent personality characteristics that create this damage. These are characteristics that they accept simply as the way they are and not a problem or psychological difficulty. In one sense, they have always lived with this personality and behavior, and it is often something they learned from their relatives/family. Psychologists usually treat the victims of “The Loser”, women or men who arrive at the office severely depressed with their self-confidence and self-esteem totally destroyed.

The following list is an attempt to outline the characteristics of “The Loser” and provide a manner in which women and men can identify potentially damaging relationships before they are themselves severely damaged emotionally or even physically. If your partner possesses even one of these features, there is risk in the relationship. More than three of these indicators and you are involved with “The Loser” in a very high risk relationship that will eventually create damage to you. When a high number of these features are present – it’s not a ‘probably’ or a ‘possibly’, You will be hurt and damaged by “The Loser” if you stay in the relationship.

1.Quick Attachment and Expression: “The Loser” has very shallow emotions and connections with others. One of the things that might attract you to “The Loser” is how quickly he or she says “I Love You” or wants to marry or commit to you. Typically, in less than a few weeks of dating you’ll hear that you’re the love of their life, they want to be with you forever, and they want to marry you. You’ll receive gifts, a variety of promises, and be showered with their attention and nice gestures. This is the “honeymoon phase” – where they catch you and convince you that they are the best thing that ever happened to you. Remember the business saying “If it’s too good to be true it probably is (too good to be true)!” You may be so overwhelmed by this display of instant attraction, instant commitment, and instant planning for the future that you’ll miss the major point – it doesn’t make sense!! Normal, healthy individuals require a long process to develop a relationship because there is so much at stake. Healthy individuals will wait for a long time and a lot of information before offering a commitment – not three weeks. It’s true that we can become infatuated with others quickly – but not make such unrealistic promises and have the future planned after three conversations! The rapid warm-up is always a sign of shallow emotions which later cause “The Loser” to detach from you as quickly as they committed. “The Loser” typically wants to marry you in less than four weeks or very early in the relationship.

2.Frightening Temper: “The Loser” has a scary temper. If your boyfriend or girlfriend blows up and does dangerous things, like driving too fast because they’re mad, breaking/throwing things, getting into fights, or threatening others – that temper will soon be turned in your direction. In the beginning of the relationship, you will be exposed to “witnessed violence” – fights with others, threats toward others, angry outbursts at others, etc. You will also hear of violence in their life. You will see and witness this temper – throwing things, yelling, cursing, driving fast, hitting the walls, and kicking things. That quickly serves to intimidate you and cause you to fear their potential for violence, although “The Loser” quickly assures you that they are angry at others or situations, not at you. At first, you will be assured that they will never direct the hostility and violence at you. But they are clearly letting you know that they have that ability and capability – and that it might come your way. Later, you fear challenging or confronting them – fearing that same temper and violence will be turned in your direction.

3.Killing Your Self-Confidence: “The Loser” repeatedly puts you down. They constantly correct your slight mistakes, making you feel “on guard”, unintelligent, and leaving you with the feeling that you are always doing something wrong. They tell you that you’re too fat, too unattractive, or don’t talk correctly or look good. This gradual chipping away at your confidence and self-esteem allows them to treat you badly later – as though you deserved it. In public, you will be “walking on eggshells” – always fearing you are doing or saying something that will later create a temper outburst or verbal argument.

4.Cutting Off Your Support: In order to control someone completely, you must cut off their supportive friends – sometimes even their family. “The Loser” feels your friends and family might influence you or offer negative opinions about their behavior. “The Loser” begins by telling you these friends treat you badly, take advantage of you, and don’t understand the special nature of the love you share with them. In some cases, if they can’t get rid of your best same-sex friend, “The Loser” will claim he or she made a pass at them. If you talk to your friends or family, “The Loser” will punish you by asking multiple questions or making nasty accusations. Eventually, rather than face the verbal punishment, interrogation, and abuse, you’ll develop the feeling that it’s better not to talk to family and friends. You will withdraw from friends and family, prompting them to become upset with you. “The Loser” then tells you they are treating you badly again and you’d be better to keep your distance from them. Once you are isolated and alone, without support, their control over you can increase.

5.The Mean and Sweet Cycle: “The Loser” cycles from mean to sweet and back again. The cycle starts when they are intentionally hurtful and mean. You may be verbally abused, cursed, and threatened over something minor. Suddenly, the next day they become sweet, doing all those little things they did when you started dating. You hang on, hoping each mean-then-sweet cycle is the last one. The other purpose of the mean cycle is to allow “The Loser” to say very nasty things about you or those you care about, again chipping away at your self-esteem and self-confidence. “The Loser” often apologizes, but the damage to your self-esteem is already done – exactly as planned.

6.It’s Always Your Fault: “The Loser” blames you for their anger as well as any other behavior that is incorrect. When they cheat on you, yell at you, treat you badly, damage your property, or embarrass you publicly – it’s somehow your fault. If you are ten minutes late for a date, it’s your fault that the male loser drives 80 miles per hour, runs people off the road, and pouts the rest of the evening. “The Loser” tells you their anger and misbehavior would not have happened if you had not made some simple mistake, had loved them more, or had not questioned their behavior. “The Loser” never, repeat never, takes personal responsibility for their behavior – it’s always the fault of someone else. If they drive like a maniac and try to pull an innocent driver off the highway to assault them – it’s actually the fault of the other driver (not his), as they didn’t use a turn signal when they changed lanes. They give you the impression that you had it (anger, yelling, assault) coming and deserved the anger, violence, pouting, or physical display of aggression.

7.Breakup Panic: “The Loser” panics at the idea of breaking up – unless it’s totally their idea, and then you’re dropped like a hot rock. Abusive boyfriends often break down and cry, they plead, they promise to change, and they offer marriage/trips/gifts when you threaten to end the relationship. Both male and female losers may threaten suicide, threaten to return to old sweethearts (who feel lucky they’re gone!), or threaten to quit their job and leave the area – as though you will be responsible for those decisions. “The Loser” offers a multitude of “deals” and halfway measures, like “Let’s just date one more month!”

They shower you with phone calls, often every five minutes, hoping that you will make an agreement or see them just to stop the telephone harassment. Some call your relatives, your friends, their friends, and anyone else they can think of – telling those people to call you and tell you how much they love you. Creative losers often create so much social pressure that the victim agrees to go back to the bad relationship rather than continue under the social pressure. Imagine trying to end a relationship and receiving tearful calls from all his or her relatives (they secretly hope you’ll keep them so they don’t have to), seeing a plea for your return in the newspaper or even on a local billboard, receiving flowers at work each day, or having them arrive at your place of work and offer you a wedding ring (male loser technique) or inform you that they might be pregnant (female loser technique) in front of your coworkers! Their reaction is emotionally intense, a behavior they use to keep you an emotional prisoner. If you go back to them, you actually fear a worse reaction if you threaten to leave again (making you a prisoner) and they later frequently recall the incident to you as further evidence of what a bad person you are. Remember, if your prize dog jumps the fence and escapes, when you get him back you build a higher fence. Once back in the grasp of “The Loser” – escape will be three times as difficult the next time.

8.Paranoid Control: “The Loser” will check up on you and keep track of where you are and who you are with. If you speak to a member of the opposite sex, you receive twenty questions about how you know them. If you don’t answer their phone call, you are asked where you were, what were you doing, who you were talking to, etc. They will notice the type of mud on your car, question why you shop certain places, and question why you called a friend, why the friend called you, and so forth. Some losers follow you to the grocery, then later ask if you’ve been there in an attempt to catch you in a lie. In severe cases, they go through your mail, look through your purse/wallet, hit your redial on the phone when they arrive, or search through your garbage for evidence. High-tech losers may encourage you to make “private” calls to friends from their residence, calls that are being secretly taped for later reference. They may begin to tell you what to wear, what to listen to in music, and how to behave in public. Eventually, they tell you that you cannot talk to certain friends or acquaintances, go certain places, or talk about certain issues in public. If no date is planned on Friday night, “The Loser” will inform you that they will call you that night – sometime. That effectively keeps you home, awaiting the call, fearing the verbal abuse and questions you might receive if you weren’t home for the call. This technique allows “The Loser” to do what they want socially, at the same time controlling your behavior from a distance.

9.It’s Never Enough: “The Loser” convinces you that you are never quite good enough. You don’t say “I love you” enough, you don’t stand close enough, you don’t do enough for them after all their sacrifices, and your behavior always falls short of what is expected. This is another method of destroying your self-esteem and confidence. After months of this technique, they begin telling you how lucky you are to have them – somebody who tolerates someone so inadequate and worthless as you.

10.Public Embarrassment: In an effort to keep you under control while in public, “The Loser” will lash out at you, call you names, or say cruel or embarrassing things about you in private or in front of people. When in public, you quickly learn that any opinion you express may cause them to verbally attack you, either at the time or later. If you stay with “The Loser” too long, you’ll soon find yourself politely smiling, saying nothing, and holding on to their arm when in public. You’ll also find yourself walking with your head down, fearful of seeing a friend who might speak to you and create an angry reaction in “The Loser”.

11.Discounted Feelings/Opinions: “The Loser” is so self-involved and self-worshipping that the feelings and opinions of others are considered worthless. As the relationship continues and you begin to question what you are feeling or seeing in their behavior, you will be told that your feelings and opinions don’t make sense, they’re silly, and that you are emotionally disturbed to even think of such things. “The Loser” has no interest in your opinion or your feelings – but they will be disturbed and upset that you dare question their behavior. “The Loser” is extremely hostile toward criticism and often reacts with anger or rage when their behavior is questioned.

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Now we all know that all bolly/lollywood heroes and hero-types are LOSERS and to be avoided like the plague :smiley: to think some of these traits are actually glorified through the south asian media :eek: People may not open up here but I’m sure there must be some who have had experiences with these types of ppl, both girls and guys. Anyone? How did/do you deal with them? Additionally in our culture is it even possible to watch out for these signs with minimum permissible interaction until you have actually committed yourself to such a loser? :frowning: Plus is there enough/any support for these individuals when they do recognize the pattern and want out?

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:aq: v both have all these things in us since v both r the same and v both r leos from our zodiac signs
so v both r losers…

so does this means… v r perfect for each other???

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Arent we all guilty of a few of these pointers.

Does that make us all losers :aq:

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^^ I was thinking the same thing.

well it reminds me something :@:

I have the misfortune of marryin a loser... he perfectly fits each and every point mentioned here. i cry and cry and cry. i tried shutting my mouth... he gets angry at the slightest things and blames me for his violent outbursts. i m only prayin things change after we have a baby but i m not sure they will. i dread each and every day what my baby would witness.. disrespect, disregard for me and anger and insult targeted at me... thaz the prb with asian societies... we marry, we have to adjust, period.. life is so painful and having a bad life partner, makes life hell....

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^ Why bring a child into that sort of environment? What if he behaves like that with your child?

I cant beleive you are having a baby when you know what hes like. Once you have a child you'll be trapped and it will be more difficult to get out of the relashionship. I hope things work out for you but people like that rarely change.

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inshallah everything will be alright : )

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i think every one of us or atleast every GUY has one of the above traits!

i m already trapped... i have no intention of leavin him.. the gals of today get a divorce at the drop of a hat... but i think its better for me to stick with him then go elsewhere... i m in a situation where i cant live with him and definitely cant live without him... even if i marry someone else whats the guarantee i will b happy? every marriage has prbs... and 90 percent of paki women are NOT happy with their hubs and most cases, scared of them and respect them out of this. i know he is not gonna change but i can change.. i can withdraw myself from him... its really hectic... i wish i cud explain... but its not easy at all.

I totally agree with everyone who's saying that we all have some of these. I mean no one is perfect. I think this article is a lil mis-leading. Some ppl might read it and get really upset cuz I'm sure their partner will have some of these qualities or at least one.

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thanks for sharing this article, femme datale.

an important thing to know and keep in mind is that people must pay attention to how much both sides are willing to put forth in order to make a relationship work, out of care for each other, and continue to have good times, rather than expect one side to do everything.

when little things escalate into big things and diferenced develop then thebest thing to do is to DRAW A LINE, beyond which each partner cannot go in terms of: relational respect and confidant-status protection, being honest and truthful at all times, being sensitive to each other's feelings, contributing in the financial well being of each other as a couple, lop sided family obligations, and deciding on important issues like beliefs in and about religion and thoughts on parenting the off spring.

at no time, any side can forget respecting each other in private and in public.
being caring and loud is one thing, but being rude and disrespectful, uneducated and mean spirirted is totally an other and that is how it should be dealt with.

being unfair, uncaring, useless around the house and demanding or expecting everything done for one person, is not acceptable and should not be tolerated at all.

keeping the house peaceful, no breaking of things, no loud noises, nothing disturbing and as a person, having a consistently good moral and responsible conscientous character is higly desireable for any good relationship to work.
it has to be from both sides.

if and when one person has to drag the relationship, then it is better to sever it altogether. no one should have to feel humiliated and guilt tripped aat any time.

sweetie that just means that you both saved 2 people by marrying each other.
lol

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Very nice article. Usually guys show this kind of behaviour.
Girls at young age should read this.

To the confessing LOSERs, in case you haven't noticed, it's perfectly normal for you to think that this is all normal :

"The Loser" has permanent personality characteristics that create this damage. These are characteristics that they accept simply as the way they are and not a problem or psychological difficulty. In one sense, they have always lived with this personality and behavior, and it is often something they learned from their relatives/family. "

And for those who have recognized themselves living with a LOSER partner (with more than three of the listed indictors) and trying to rationalize it to be a common phenomenon ( just cause it's common in our culture, doesn't make it normal), it's OK. No need to get defensive. It just makes you a sucker for punishment that's all.

mall honey- WAKE up!

u come online to dish all sorts of things about your hubby and then live off generalizations and feed into your own stereotypes as if that's the truth of the world.

crying and shutting your mouth is no way to handle the situation. you're heading into post-mar. depression after you have children. you make yourself the victim by doing so and you need help and therapy (with or without your husband). your sense of self is completely broken, and i honestly don't see why you won't dignify yourself to know that you deserve better. if you're waiting for him to change, he won't...but why are YOU throwing in the towel??

it's not true that MOST paki women have bad marriages. i know many who have great ones. you're surrounded by the wrong crowd if that's what you TRULY believe.

i know what it's like to be hurt...but not remain there becuz u fear the worst on the other side. it's a 50-50 shot that things may get better, so why not look on the brighter 50% side of things? YOUR PERCEPTION OF REALITY is False..but you've been beaten down so much you can't even see what's real anymore. boohoo to you indeed.

get help, get counseling, get a positive female social circle, get family involved, get moving!

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here's what you're in denial of....if your relationship is already unstable, then what with you do if your husband decides he's had enough and wants to leave you (especially after having a baby)?

This is typical desi mindset, life will be fine after the babies arrive :sigh: It never is Mall. Knowing that your entire life will continue to be the way it is now, everyday is hell, everyday u feel more inferior than before, how can you continue? I think it takes great cowardice or helplessness and some huge majboori to put up with it. This brings me back to the Q if anyone realises they are with such a person do they even get any support from those around them? Desi’s expect the wronged party in the marriage, mostly the wife, to put up with it all in the name of compromise and keep up a false hope of things getting better. The truth is that such losers never change and will always victimise you.

I’m amazed at the number of people who are confessing to these psychotic traits and think its normal for people to be this way! :eek: I guess you all think Mall is leading a normal life then?

:cb:

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Yes we are all born losers.

Some more than others :cb: