Are we being hypocrite to honor killing situation? [Spinoff from Qandeel b. thread]

[RIGHT]قندیل بلوچ کے آفیشل پیج کو تقریباً ساڑھے سات لاکھ فرشتوں نے لائیک کیا ہوا ہے۔ اس کے علاوہ قندیل بلوچ کے نام سے فیک پیجز اور آئی ڈیز بھی کام کر رہی ہیں جن میں اکثر مواد آفیشل پیج سے ہی لیا گیا ہوتا ہے۔اپنے آفیشل پیج سے قندیل بلوچ نے تقریبا اڑھائی سو کے قریب ویڈیوز شئیر کی جنہیں تقریبا چار کروڑ اٹھاون لاکھ سے زائد مرتبہ دیکھا گیا۔ مختلف ویڈیو ویب سائٹس مثلاً یو ٹیوب اور ڈیلی موشن پر قندیل بلوچ کی ویڈیو اپ لوڈ کرنے کے ساتھ ساتھ گمراہ کن تعارف(انٹرو=کیپشن) دیا گیا اور یوں ہر لمحہ عوام الناس کو یہ باور کروایا جاتا رہا کہ قندیل بلوچ سے زیادہ خطرناک، فحش، معاشرے کے لیے مصیبت اور کوئی ہے ہی نہیں۔
فیس بک پر انٹرٹینمنٹ اور انفوٹینمنٹ کے نام پر بیسیوں پاکستانی پیجز ایسے ہیں جنہوں نے گزشتہ تقریباً ڈیڑھ سال میں اپنے پیج پر انٹرنیٹ ٹریفک بڑھانے کے لیےقندیل بلوچ کا نام استعمال کرتے ہوئے ہیجان خیز سرخیاں لگائیں اور انٹرنیٹ استعمال کرنے والوں کو اپنی طرف متوجہ کیا۔ قندیل بلوچ کے ساتھ مین سٹریم میڈیا نے بھی غریب کی جورو والا سلوک کیام مبشر لقمان جیسے بدنام(مشہور) نام سے لے کرسبھی چھوٹے بڑے چینلز نے بھی اپنا حصہ بقدر جثہ ڈالا اور جس دن کوئی اور خبر کوئی اور مسئلہ نہ ملا اس دن قندیل بلوچ کو بلا لیا۔ اینکر خواتین و حضوات نے قندیل کے منہ سے جان بوجھ کر ایسی باتیں اگلوائیں اور اس کے ساتھ ایسا سلوک روا رکھا جیسے وہ کوئی جیتی جاگتی عورت نہ ہو بلکہ ایک جنسی گڑیا ہو جس کے ساتھ محض چسکے لینے کے لیے یہ سب کیا گیا۔ ایک نجی چینل نے تو مفتی عبدالقوی اور قندیل بلوچ کے معاملے میں صحافتی اخلاقیات کی دھجیاں بکھیرتے ہوئے مفتی عبدالقوی کے نام سے ایک جھوٹی کال بھی نشر کی۔
قندیل اس معاشرے کا ننگا سچ تھی۔ وہ زناٹے کا تھپڑ تھی جو اس سماج کے منہ پر ہر لمحہ برستا تھا۔ ہم سب قندیل کے قتل میں برابر کے حصے دار ہیں لعنت ہے اس سماج پر اور اس نظام پر اور اس غیرت پر۔ جہاں قاتل ہونا بے غیرت ہونے سے زیادہ اہم ہے!![/RIGHT]

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One comment here says “oh she was a bit liberal minded” as if that is a bad thing.

Another calls her lifestyle shameless.

slmething about not throwing stones comes to mind. At least she was open about her lifestyle. And wasn’t two faced like those who watch port but rail against it.

It is disappointing that when a person is murdered we would attack that person.

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I had never heard of her till now. Pakistan is really violent and no place for the weak. There is no respect for human life. And a whole.lot of hypocrisy.

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Once again Pakistan is in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. This has become third top international news today.

When will we learn to follow the simple rule of “Live and let live” and that we are absolutely not supposed to harm anyone. We are a totally confused and lost nation. On one side Pakistan can be in the top list of googling sex material, the number of views of Ayyan Ali, Qandeel or such can be super high but at the same time still as of today people are reluctant to condemn her killing and mourn her death.

About her death story, eeek, I think there is more to the “honor killing”. I agree with Sajalina, why her brother has been silent all along while she had adopted this lifestyle for quite sometime. There is something more to it.

Not to forget Mufti Qavi whose life got scandalized due to her and he got suspended from big govt post. He should definitely be included in investigation.

No matter what she did in her life, after being killed innocently, the final score will be
Qandeel baloch - One: Her haters - Zero

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I feel kinda ashamed nowadays when somebody asks me where I am from and I tell them pakistan. There is nothing to be proud of being Pakistani imo and its sad. If there is one good thing comes out of Pakistan, there are 10 worse things to counteract it.

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har baat ki khaal nikalna, har cheez ko negatively lena zaroori nahin hota :smack:

I don’t see her being liberal as a bad thing

But she was unconventional (again I don’t mean it a negative way) by desi standards for sure.

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Ah yes. The self hating “moddraan and libraal” desis. No topic is complete without them. I hope whatever paradise you people are living in is providing you equal rights and no bigotry. massive eye roll. Its disgusting the way Pakistanis are so self-deprecating. One look at the self-style wannabe liberal news sites just as expresstribune would clearly reveal this self-deprecation. Where Indian media monitors its website comments section, we have rampant hateful comments by indians for the sake for “freedom of expression” (another wannabe trait).

How is the nation to blame if a person decided to murder his prostitue-eque (no esque there though just using it out of respect for the dead) sister? We have the likes of Mathiras, Veena Mailks and Meera (especially after her porno clip) roaming around freely? If the society/country was so intolerant than they would’ve been murdered as well.

Is it sad that she died? Yes absolutely, nobody deserves to go like this. But then again she had it long time coming and somebody was bound to kill her eventually if not her brother. Maybe one of her scorned lovers (ala Nadira, Marvi etc etc) by the blessings of whom she was able to live a lavish lifestyle (check out her Eik Din Geo Kay Saath interview).

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I don’t see self deprecating tone in these comments. How can you call her prostitutesque? Is there proof she did anything like that apart from being misguided and attention seeking. She has got enough hate messages on her fb. Some people are even reluctant to condemn her death. Honour killing is not just a Pakistani thing. It happens in India and Bangladesh also. Why was someone bound to kill her? No one has killed Meera, Mathira, Mawra Hocane, Humaima Malik and Veena. JUst because she was of lower class. She had reached out to authorities and this death could have been preventable. Her father is supporting her against the brother’s crime. If she was so beghairat why would her father support her.
She exposed double standards prevalent in south asia when it came to authority figures like the maulvi saab.

SHe spoke out against hate and double standards in comments people wrote to her.

Like Sharmeen clearly says in this video people get away with it because current law doesn’t allow for punishment. The victim’s family can forgive the perpetrator so that is why the new law against honour killing which is being stalled must pass. Today Qandeel tomorrow it could be someone else. Like yesterday it was Ambreen and others. It’s not about image of any south asian country it’s about improving quality of life of people living in the country.

It is not Qandeel who is responsible but people with mindsets like Haroon Rashid who on TV can say her death is justified. There is nothing wrong with isolating such views and saying they are not representative because living in a global world this would become news anyway. It’s like India trying to censor the documentary about the Delhi rape victim where rapists/and sympathisers justified their actions. It’s going to be known internationally anyway why not condemn it.

I have many friends living in Pakistan who are troubled by these comments that they can’t sleep. Life should never become so cheap that we assume someone will be killed anyway.

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A nation has certainly to blame when they have more honor killings and more acid attacks on women, more people to show up in jinaza of killers like Qadri, and more people to throw dirt on people like malala while calling Edhi a kaazib or athiest.

And thank you for proving our point by calling her

since with this mentality its proven how you look down upon women.
At the same time you also said

so atleast you are acknowledging that our nation is soo highly intolerant that somebody must hv killed her. Unless you are saying that she deserved to say being a “prostitute-esque”

And then you say why blame the nation, how cute! :slight_smile:

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I can’t post the screenshots but there were a few screenshots i had friends post where people have justified killing Qandeel. There are posts saying she did not have liberty to act way she did in the country and had many 100s of likes. Isn’t it her choice how she acts if she does not break laws and how are her actions that different from many Pakistani actors/actresses. Fawad Khan and Hamza Ali Abbasi had shirtless scenes in movies and no one threatened them with honor killings. I havent watched her videos but i doubt she did anything remotely similar. I see lot of bullying of Pakistani liberals but many famous Pakistanis who have shown good image to world have been liberal in thought from Manto, Faiz etc. I would add Edhi as well because he treated all equally and believed in socialism. No one has to agree with them but they deserve space as well. Whatever Qandeel did she mostly posted on her fb page. No one was forced to visit her page. It wasn’t like she did a movie with Emran Hashmi which was shown in cinemas. The media misused her and people gave her attention through abuses.

Even if Pakistani liberals didn’t mention the people justifying it what of the international papers that have these tweets. This news is in all papers even Australian papers. Even lot of right wing American news sites. Isn’t it better to counter their views on this. Lot of people are against it as well.

If Pakistani liberals were so self deprecating they wouldn’t be proud of impact Edhi had on the world.

It may not mean much but i joined her page so I could encourage her to pursue her singing career. I didn’t really support all her videos but I supported her right to express herself on her own fb page. She liked my comment. She had posted a video of her singing which wasn’t that bad i thought.
Neither was she always revealing. Most of the time it was a reaction and people wishing her to be dead on her fb.
She is wearing what many desis may wear in the West and she is even trying to cover herself to maintain haya. The media also has played a part in her life reaching this outcome.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHcNolFCaxE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHcNolFCaxE)

If she was just all about attention seeking why did she release a pained video about all the hate comments, double standard she faced? HOw can anyone not feel pained listening to this.

She was only 26 and maybe she wasn’t a star or talented but she was down to earth and honest. She actually replied/liked comments of people on facebook who would send her positive messages and she also replied to haters who posted there. Basically saying if you don’t like her videos/photos why go on her page, why not listen to a qawaali, why worry about what her future children/spouse will say and not what your parents would say for the activities you are doing and for watching her videos if person is so naik. Like people can watch Bollywood/Pakistani movie item songs, they can watch mujra on youtube but they feel they have right to abuse her for what she posts on her page.
She exposed that hypocrisy. Only difference between her and many others was she was honest and did not have a double life behind closed doors.

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“Ok she was a bit liberal-minded but no one deserves to die for being eccentric and unconventional”

The Ok followed by but appears to indicate a negative connotation to the phrase liberal minded.

Doesn’t matter now it’s clear the negative connotation was not intended.

Kissa khatam. Khana hajam.

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Prostitute-esque?

Have you ever read a pornographic magazine? Have you ever seen a blue movie? Have you ever ogled at anyone? Have you ever stolen glances at their body parts and had sensual thoughts?

If yes, you are John-esque. If no, you must be a saint.

Considering the crude language you used to describe the murdered person, the saint option is impossible.

“But then again she had it long time coming”
Why?

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Interview of her brother who said he killed her kyon ki uss ne balochan ka naam badnaam kiya.
He sounds so cold, calm and calculated when saying it like he is just doing any routine task. I don’t know if this is all but i hope he gets swift punishment and executed. I feel like there is something behind it. why did the maulvi saab say it is a warning to others not to criticise ulema. Should have let her go abroad like she wanted to :frowning: :cry:

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Plus, what is so dishonorable about being a prostitute. It is a job that she does to feed her family and herself. If there were no customers there will be no prostitutes.

People who denigrate prostitutes are scum. And they probably would be the first to avail themselves of the opportunity.

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I agree with you but she was not a prostitute. Just because she wore western clothes/exposed/danced/was outspoken on her own fb page people think it is ok to denigrate her. It’s ok if Fawad Khan, Imran Abbas, Hamza Ali Abbasi or other Pakistani actors wear skimpy clothes but she is a woman so it matters more to society.

Unfortunately she did not have the high class backing of other Pakistani actors who wear similar dresses/do similar dance but are not categorised as prostitutes.

If prostitutes are at fault so are their customers who zinna with them. Then why punishment is one sided.

before anyone judges her do read this.

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She had it coming because the subcontinent is not a place where rights of women can be expected. That is why all countries of subcontinent rank quite low when it comes to women’s rights and freedoms compared to the West. She had it coming is like saying we are all going to die..some can die by cancer, some by honour killing, some by accident. Nothing big. It’s only a fact of life.

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This is a Pakistani petition by Tanqeed seeking justice for Qandeel and punishment for the one who murdered it. If you think she should have had chance to live longer, make her life decisions and you feel this is injustice please take a few moments to sign. Let’s hope the culprit is punished not just forgiven on behalf of relatives. Already there are 884 signatures nearly all Pakistani.

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Southee Please…Murder is Murder but let’s not pretend like everywhere-else it’s rosy or everything that goes on in the West will be totally acceptable in desi societies. Even so, in tabloids it is not uncommon to read stories about people harassing or killing their ex-partners out of jealousy or for money matters and in some cases even killing their children to pay back ex’s infidelity!!!

Every society has it’s own norms and standards. Even in the same country tribal mentality (esp. rural areas) is very different to that of people with no tribal roots or connections. Honour killing is not rare among such people.

You have words like maan, maryada, ghar ki izzat even in hindi..

She had it coming does not = she deserved to die but that she was putting her own life at risk by acting the way she did in a conservative society. It was just a matter of time before someone harmed her and sadly for her it had to end this way.

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This was me. I don’t deny violence/harrassment happens in West and minorities are target. People commented on her page that she was not dressed appropriately. She knew that her security was at risk and she reached out to government/police for help but no help came. She also thought to go abroad for some time like Veena had but it was too late for her. I think she should have been careful with her behaviour but we have to admit there is some double standard with how males and females are treated if they act westernised.

I do mention it’s a south asian problem not of any one country. Western countries are generally better on female safety and taking threats seriously. I know plenty of Pakistani/Indian female friends who would feel similarly freer in West than India. There are many things the East has better than West but this is something we have to work on according to me. We have stronger families and less elder abuse for example. Violence against females happens in West but it is taken more seriously and the concept of honour is not the same as East. I agree they still have as much harassment/killing of ex partners but the idea of a family member killing for ghairat is rare.

Her father is actually supporting her and saying her brother should be punished. He is not supporting the honour killing. She came to visit her father during Eid because he was unwell. Then her brother suffocated her while she slept. He has admitted it was because he did not like what she uploaded on social media.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2016/07/17/uncategorized/qandeel-balochs-brother-sent-on-three-day-physical-remand/

Responding to reporters’ questions, Waseem said that he had killed his sister Qandeel, whose real name is Fauzia Azeem, for posting controversial pictures and videos on Facebook.
“She was bringing disrepute to our family’s honour and I could not tolerate it any further. I killed her around 11.30pm on Friday night when everyone else had gone to bed. My brother is not involved in the murder,” said the murderer before being taken away by the police.
Police had earlier said that Qandeel’s brother had been threatening her to stop posting photos and videos on Facebook. According to some reports, the murderer had escaped with Qandeel’s wallet, jewellery and cell phone.
“Qandeel Baloch has been killed, she was suffocated to death by her brother, apparently, it was an incident of honour killing,” Regional Police Officer Sultan Azam had told reporters.
No marks of torture were found on Qandeel’s body, said another senior police official. The post-mortem of her body was conducted at Multan’s Nishtar Hospital.
Read more:Qandeel’s dead body shows no marks of torture: autopsy report
Qandeel was in Multan to visit her parents as her father had been unwell, and spent Eid with her family, her mother told police.
Her brother, who was identified by the police as Waseem, went to meet her at night. When Qandeel was asleep at night, he suffocated her by using a pillow.
Qandeel’s father Azeem stated in the First Information Report to the police that his sons Aslam Shaheen and Waseem were responsible for their sister’s death.
Read more: **My brave daughter has been murdered: Qandeel Baloch’s father
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Request for security ignored:
Three weeks ago, Qandeel had written to the interior minister, the director general of the Federal Investigation Authority (FIA) and the senior superintendent of Islamabad asking them to provide security to her and has requested action against those who made her identification documents public via social media.

She had said her life is in danger and that she is being threatened via calls on her mobile number and that she did not have security measures installed in her home.

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I m very sad to include that when the news announced that Qandeel Baloch is dead few people laughed on her death , this is very sad I know she was not doing appreciable act on Facebook but if we were good why were we criticing her on social media and laughing and sharing her videos , anyways May God forgive her she didn’t get chance to make tauba infront of Allah …