Salam again,
I really feel sorry for you Jawan because u are quite illeterate. And let me ask u "Who are u to decide if anybody is going to Jannat or Hell?" I've studied fiqah and I know it is a sin to PREDICT IF SOMEBODY DESERVES A HELL OR HEAVEN. It is also haram to call any muslim a kafir (ref: Aqaid-e-ahlesunnah by Mulla Farooq Basri). Therefore, u have no rite to call anybody kafir.
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Jawaan- I didn't read what you wrote but what Muslim786 said, if he is right, then what he said was right. We are no one to judge other people if they are going to Junnah or Hell but we are supposed to teach then the right religion and if they argue then we can argue with then NICELY.
faceup- sorry about the worse language that I have used. BUT I still don't agree with you.
Do you believe that Imam Bukari's Hadith was the first ever written? If yes, then I mostly follow that and Quran. If following these 2 Books is becoming Wahabi then sorry I don't agree with you. I want to ask you a most simple question. Are you Wahabi? I think you are but you said I am so I am confused.
Again Quran forbids us dividing the religion. I know that there is a Hadiths that says there will be 73 sects in Islam. I don't deny that but all I am saying is that dividing the religion Islam into sects is a sin. Do you agree or not? If you agree then please don't divide among yourselves, be pure Muslim, follow Quran and Sunnah.
well said LB
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AbhI tOu mAi JaWAn HoUn
Quran and hadith is all i m saying to follow...and things that these people do are NOT part of islam They cant even explain that what they do.
ONLY quran and books of HADITH!!!
Jaawan
till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**
**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!
Salam Little boy,
Good feedback about not judging anybody and not dividing among sects. We are muslims and thats all we should care about. Little Boy, It is the fitna of Wahabis (talibans, sipah sahaba and so on) that has divided Muslims among sects. These fanatics are brutal and they dont listen. Jawan is an example of those people. These wahabis get paid to divide Muslims and to divide ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat. The true aqeeda (concept) of ahle-sunnah wal jamaat is to be polite and courteous to every muslim (no matter what sect that muslim belong to , be him be maliki, shia, sufi, hanbali, hanafi, shafaee). The wahabis believe that anybody who disagree with them , they should kill him/her. They do not listen. The wahabis belonging to Sipah Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi even said that if u kill a shia or hanafi ahle-sunnah wal jamaat( from tableeghee jamaat or sunni tehreek), then these wahabis say that u can go to heaven. As if they are the owners of heaven. The wahabis and Saudi Govt pay millions of Saudi Riyals to these agents to kill innocent Muslims (Killing of 70 shai doctors and 23 Ahle-sunnah sunni ulema by Sipah Sahaba is a clear witness).
The wahabis whole purpose is to create misunderstanding and hate among Muslims.
May Allah have mercy on us and may Allah protect our new generation from the fitna of Wahabis.
Labbaik Ya-rasool-allah (s.a.w).
Wassalam,
Muslim786
1-800-LAR LAR KAY MUR JAO GAY,SO STOP POINTING FINGERS AND ARGUING LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE AND COME TOGETHER ON SOMETHING.
"WA TASAYMU BAY HUBLILAAH HAY JAMEE-UN WALLAH TAFARAAKU"I AM SURE U GET THE PICTURE.......
MAY ALLAH SHOW US THE RIGHT PATH AND FORGIVE US FOR OUR ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE.
AMIN
PEACE FOR ALL
Little Boy asks me this following; readers you decide for yourselves:
"I want to ask you a most simple question. Are you Wahabi?"
LilBoy: You really are DEMENTED!
FACTS:
When the wahabis take the allegiance of their creed they agree to:
1) Propogate the teachings of their abdul wahab & ibn taymiyyah!
2) Their Dawa'h against other muslims is based on:
their 'unity message or NO SECT' and,
strict adherence to quran & hadith.
Most of the muslim ummah are agreed that the Wahabis are the greatest enemy to unity in the Ummah.
The wahabis condemn the reading of quran so they follow only the hadiths. Hadiths that have been blessed by their abdul wahab and ibn taymiyyah.
3) They get paid by their wahabi reprsentatives in various jurisdiction; North America has its own jurisdiction.
Jawaan, mundyaa, Baba old goat, lil boy, Salafi, etc are all getting paid for propagating the wahabiyya creed!
Salam Little boy,
Good feedback about not judging anybody and not dividing among sects. We are muslims and thats all we should care about. Little Boy, It is the fitna of Wahabis (talibans, sipah sahaba and so on) that has divided Muslims among sects. These fanatics are brutal and they dont listen. Jawan is an example of those people. These wahabis get paid to divide Muslims and to divide ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat. The true aqeeda (concept) of ahle-sunnah wal jamaat is to be polite and courteous to every muslim (no matter what sect that muslim belong to , be him be maliki, shia, sufi, hanbali, hanafi, shafaee). The wahabis believe that anybody who disagree with them , they should kill him/her. They do not listen. The wahabis belonging to Sipah Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi even said that if u kill a shia or hanafi ahle-sunnah wal jamaat( from tableeghee jamaat or sunni tehreek), then these wahabis say that u can go to heaven. As if they are the owners of heaven. The wahabis and Saudi Govt pay millions of Saudi Riyals to these agents to kill innocent Muslims (Killing of 70 shai doctors and 23 Ahle-sunnah sunni ulema by Sipah Sahaba is a clear witness).
The wahabis whole purpose is to create misunderstanding and hate among Muslims.
May Allah have mercy on us and may Allah protect our new generation from the fitna of Wahabis.
Labbaik Ya-rasool-allah (s.a.w).
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Muslim786- Thanks for your nice feedback. May Allah guide us all to the right path and make our faith even stronger. Ameen
faceup- I guess all I know is that I am not a Wahabi and I don't get paid to divide the religion. Allah is watching us all, Allahu Alim.
dai tey hain Khutba Islam ka
karain na koi kam, kam ka
Islam ka mutlab to pata nahi
bana dia hur kisi ko eik bhai Musalman ka
[This message has been edited by LittleBoy (edited August 25, 2000).]
I agree with Little boy. There might have been some misunderstanding faceup, he is a nice person. I agree about Jawan being nasty and arrogant and Wahabi but Little boy is not though I dont know him personally but it seems like Little boy is a nice Muslim thirsty for knowledge. Readers should give him feedback about any good constructive sites if they about.
Long live Islam!
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Salam Little boy,
I am quoting my post earlier to explain the Wahabi sect and why was it created. Here is my previous post:
"Dear Fellow Muslims, it is so painful to see us fighting here. I really hope that we try to eliminate the differences. Every human is different and therefore we all may have differences. What really worries me is the OVEREXCITEMENT and FANATIC nature of words used here in this forum. This is the very first thing our religion teaches us “To respect others”.
The irony of fact is that Wahabism has NOT ONLY DIVIDED MUSLIMS but it has unfortunately also divided the ahle-sunnah wal-jamaa( followers of sunnah).
The wahabi fitna was created by the British Empire. The main objectives of kuffars (britishers) behind it were:
*To destroy the unity of Muslim Ummah
*To destroy the Khilafat-e-Usmania
*To have Sheikhs of their choice deputed in Gulf
*To have easy and free access to oil and gas
*To know the weaknesses of Muslims
For this purpose the deputed two people namely:
*ABDUL WAHAB to create religious misunderstandings mainly between Hanafis, Hanbalis and Malikis (All three are the taleeds of ahle-sunnah wal-jamaa).
and
*ABDUL AZIZ (A relative of Saud from Najd)to control the Saudi Government and so that the West can have easy access to oil and gas. Abdul Aziz had several legal and illegal wives and his sons are more than 100. Thats why every Saudi King has the name “bin abdul-aziz” after his name meaning the son of abdul-aziz.
“I am a witness to some of these conspiracies because I am 50 years old”.
The link below is an eye-opener regarding the destruction of Jannat-ul-Baqi by Saudis(wahabis ). The place had graves of Prophet’s (s.a.w) Sahabas (r.a) and Prophet’s family (r.a).
http://www.al-islam.org/shrines/baqi.htm
The Britishers succeeded in their plans and a witness is now we are divided and they have access to oil and gas.
May Allah have mercy on us and keep us united May Allah gives us enough wisdom to understand the terrible web of Wahabis against Islam. Aámeen"
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Little Boy
Islam manifests itself in many ways and that is the beauty of islam! stop kidding around with this 'no sect' business! If prophet was against many interpretations or sects then he wouldn't have made the hadith about the 73 sects.
1) You say:
"If Allah said in Quran that sects are not allowed, then that means they are not allowed. It does not matter what fake Alims say."
Tell me who are these 'fake alims' that you refer to?
2) You say:
"I guess all I know is that I am not a Wahabi"
Tell me which ONE of the 4 sunni school of thoughts do you follow?
3) You say:
"and I don't get paid to divide the religion"
Pls tell me - what do you get paid for? And, who pays you?
[This message has been edited by faceup (edited August 25, 2000).]
faceup- fake Alims are the once who contradict with the religion Islam and the Beautiful Quran.
Now I have "heard" that there is a Hadith that says there will be 73 sects near judgment day. And one will be the True one but I have "not seen" this Hadith.
Please let me know if you know where is that Hadith, exact location.
Now it's obvious that the "one" sect which is going to be the right one is the one who strictly follows Quran and Sunnah.
Salam for now
Muslim786- Thanks for your nice comments. It's all Allah who gives knowledge to whom ever He wills. May Allah make our faith even stronger and guide the misguided to the Path of Paradise.
Salam for now.
Jawaan- I think I know how you feel, I get angry sometimes too when I hear people giving false info about Islam. We have to understand that the Only Light of Guidence given to us is Quran, and Hadith explains the Beautiful Quran. By following these 2 Books we might be saved. You also said the samething, but.... I guess what people don't like is when we say stuppid things when we are angry. Anger comes from Shatan as Holy Prophet(S.A.W.) said. Anger can only seperate us apart so if you teach us nicely and not be sarcastic I think more people would listen and follow.
May Allah guide us all to the straight path of Paradise.
Salam for now
LilBoy,
Pls answer my three questions. All you did was avoid the questions and played cute.
Again,
1) Your quote:
"If Allah said in Quran that sects are not allowed, then that means they are not allowed. It does not matter what fake Alims say."
who are these "fake Alims" that you refer to?
2) If you do not like to be called a Wahabi then tell me which 1 of the 4 sunni sect do you follow?
3) If you are not getting paid to "divide the religion" then what are you getting paid for and by whom?
LB bahi...since im having trouble communicating with these bloody holiers...why dont you ask them...these things and have them explain to you IN the light of QURAN and HADiTH.
- Going to daarbars- and bowing down to graves.
- giveing out giiyaarween sharifs - some meeting on every 11th of month for some dead molvi.
- Holding melas on graves of dead and playing music and lighting fire on graves...and establishing "dating" rituals and making bahangraas on graves.
Those are just 3 of many shirkaana things they do. I wana know why...and since my FIRST post here i raised this point...but no one NOOOOOO one want to discuss these...when only difference between them and me is that I STOP them from doing this and they dont wana stop their acestors religion. Please come to the point...and stop doing wahabi wahabi..it makes you look even more stupid than you already are. Thank you bye.
Jaawan
till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**
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Salam brothers and sisters,
It looks like Jawan is trying to divert the readers from the main topic which is "Are Wahabis enemies of Islam?" The answer is a clear YES.
Little boy,
That was a sweet thing about controlling our anger. May Allah guide us all. There is a hadith about division of Muslims among sect but the irony of fact is that "The sect (group of people) who are the right ones are the ones that know how to respect others. This sect (group of people) consists of people from all the parts of the world and all sects. To summarize, the TRUE SECT is a bunch of people from all the apparent sects that are pious and that focuss on the teachings of quran and respect others. The true SECT will include people from Sufi, Hanafi, Maliki, Shia, etc. Anybody who has the love of Allah, His Prophet (s.a.w) and his family (r.a). "
Wassalam,
Muslim786
And Little Boy,
One thing is for sure. Wahabis (Sipah Sahaba/Salafi/Taliban) will NOT be the TRUE AND PIOUS SECT, because they hate the Prophet (s.a.w) and his family (r.a).
Wassalam,
Muslim786
This this faceup geezer is a two faceup deviant heretic. Here he is trying trying to claim to be a sunni (a barelvi/sufi one), but just look at some of the statements he made in the thread STATUS OF THE SUNNAH
Denies the obligation of the 5 times a day prayer and rejects hadith of Bukhari & Muslim.
There is nothing in the Quran that says muslims have to pray 5 times; it just says morning & evening prayers. The Quran doesn't even say that the Prayers/Salaat have to be exactly the same as Prophet did. Again, these are all Sunnahs! If you're going to quote from Ibn Masood, Bukhari, Muslim , etc - you'll be stuck in the same paralysis forever. They are narrating from the Sunnah because they have made sunnah EQUAL to the Quran!"<<
Those who follow the Quran are following the Prophet Muhammed (s), those who are following the alleged Hadith and Sunnah are NOT following the Prophet but following those who wrote these books, like Bukhari, Muslim, etc<<
The deviating innovator claims that the following ayah refers to Sunnah & Hadith.
"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other FANCY WORDS (e.g.: HADITH & SUNNAH), in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their FABRICATIONS. This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such FABRICATIONS, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions. " [6:112-113]<<
This is a tactic of the enemies of Islaam, especially the Jews.
salafi,
If you want to open up the discussions on the Sunnah then pls do so in the appropriate thread:THE STATUS OF THE SUNNAH. I'll gladly meet you there!
This thread is about the wahabis and their enmity towards Islam & their prophet.
We all know you guys are 'paid hacks' for the wahabis and right now are desperately trying to create diversion. First Jawaan, now you; youngBrat can't be far behind!
LilBoy - your call for help was answered but I still need response from you to these:
1) You say:
"If Allah said in Quran that sects are not allowed, then that means they are not allowed. It does not matter what fake Alims say."
Tell me who are these 'fake alims' that you refer to?
2) You say:
"I guess all I know is that I am not a Wahabi"
Tell me which ONE of the 4 sunni school of thoughts do you follow?
3) You say:
"and I don't get paid to divide the religion"
Pls tell me - what do you get paid for? And, who pays you?
The Bareilawis/Sufis/Graveworshippers have their own teachings that are peculiar to them, as they have their own doctrines. These features distinguish them from the Ahl as-Sunnah in general and the Hanafis sects. All these teachings circulate around eating and drinking and showing respect since this cult has been instituted only for snatching properties from ignorants and simpletons and to get benefits for the learned and the monks. This system of religious laws has been formed only for plunder and usurpation under the name of oblations and offerings from their followers, novices, people devoid of reason and understanding, captives of unthoughtfulness and ignorance, by the miracles of saints and artifice of the artificers.
The leaders of the sufis/barelwis (they calle themselves sunnis) have made the religion a trade and a commercial business in which they need not invest any capital. They earned double and re-doubled profits without any hardship, effort and fatigue, more than that which the capitalists earn after strenuos efforts and toil. They commanded their followers to construct buildings over graves and tombs and made themselves their custodians. Then they made obligatory for their adherents to present oblations and offerings to them in order to reserve them for themselves, to store them and earn lots of money by them. Then they celebrated festivals and death anniversaries at them and made it imperative for the people to attend them and to bring garments, carpets, lamps, wax candles, oil, perfumes, sweetes, screens and many other things to increase their riches and wealth. They have made many kinds of innovations on the occasion of the birth and death of a person and made them obligatory for the unmindful people who spend and lose their property. They commit sins instead of obtaining reward. They have blinded their eyes and deafened their ears to protect their business, and sealed their hearts so that the pouring booties may not slip away from their hands.
(From the book BARELWIS: HISTORY AND BELIEFS by Allamma Ehsan Elahi Zaheer.)