Are Wahabis Enemies of Islam & the Prophet?

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Nowadays, we find publications filled with lies and deception which mislead many Muslims into thinking negatively about the honorable Mawlid of the Prophet (saws).

These publications claim that to celebrate the Mawlid is an act of innovation that goes against Islam. This is far from the truth, and it is therefore necessary for those who can speak clearly to help clarify and reverse the doubts surrounding this most blessed day.

It is widely believed that the Wahhabi/Salafi/Ahle hadith are against the
idea of holding celebrations of Mawlid. But that’s not true. They celebrate not one, but many Mawlids related to the Founder & Leaders of Wahabism. Here are some of the Wahhabi/Salafi Mawlids witnessed:

  1. Mawlid of Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, the Mujaddid of Najd, Shaykh al-Islam or Founder of the Salafi madhab and Imam of the Two Cities (Riyad and Dariyya):

Every year at the anniversary date of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab's death, a great feast is held at the Ibn Saud University in Riyad (in Najd) at which time they praise the unparalleled magnificence of their beloved religious leader, listing his qualities and reciting new poetry about his
greatness.

All over the world, their embassies also fulfill this important communal obligation (fard kifaya). This is NOT `ibada, of course.

  1. Mawlid of the State, known as National Day:

This Mawlid, similar to Independence Day, Flag Day, and Army Day, is celebrated every year in the country with international gala festivities, fanfare, parades, army reviews, podiums and thrones, and also, of course,
new poems of praise and Madih recitations for the State founders and current rulers, all at colossal cost, but whatever means leads to fulfilling an obligation (fard), is itself an obligation. Of course this
is NOT `ibada.

3)Mawlid of the Nation’s Century:

This was a gigantic and truly new Mawlid, the like of which was never seen before. Last year we all witnessed the great celebrations whose main slogan was “100 years KSA” to commemorate one century of freedom from the innovated Khilafa (Ottaman Caliphate) and the establishment of the Sunni Kingdom.

On this occasion thousands of shiny and colorful lights, new constructions, inventive and tasteful decorations, posters, banners, placards, and other graphic art productions were displayed in public places and broadcast over the media with orchestral music, poems, and commentary of self-praise and glorification that filled the heart with warmth, love of dunya, and national pride. All Mawlids should be like this! (Needless to say, this is NOT `ibada.)

  1. Mawlid of the Mufti:

At the recent passing of the Grand Mufti of the Wahhabiyya Sect, Bin Baz, it was decided by the Mawlid Celebration Board to issue a special commemorative glossy publication praising his greatness, listing his
achievements and merits, and deploring his demise with big tears of sadness. In fact, the magazine cover showed a delightful, artistic painting of a series of big tears stringed together like dhikr-beads, and
inside each tear there was a small Kaba. Al-Hamdu lillah, the Grandmufti is gone, the tears dried up, but we still have the Kaba!

  1. Mawlid of Monuments and Inscriptions:

Unlike the preceding Mawlids which are seasonal or according to special circumstances, this Mawlid is a permanent Mawlid in Madina, steps away from the Prophet’s Mosque in the ritzy Dar al-Tayba square. It consists in a 15-foot monument in the shape of a globe topped by a dome similar to the Prophet’s dome, flanked by a flag, in the middle of a waterfall. Below, an inscription says: “In appreciation to the King for services rendered to Islam.”

This Mawlid of Monuments and Inscriptions fulfills two important functions:
First, it is most suitable for photography as a memento of His Majesty the King in the City of the Holy Prophet (SAWS) as, unfortunately, pictures of the real Dome are prohibited but happily, pictures of this dunya monument are welcome (as it is NOT `ibada).

Second, just like the inscription acknowledging His Majesty the King at the bottom of the door of the Kaba in Mecca (for every pilgrim to remember and commemorate) this monument and inscription fills the vacuum created - in the last century - by the destruction of the graves of of the great past Muslim figures who contributed over 1,000 years to the greatness of Islam. Figures such as Uthman ibn Affan who used to ride on a donkey and sleep on the mosque floor when he was caliph; Uthman ibn Mazun whose grave the Holy Prophet (SAWS) personally built up; Malik ibn Anas who walked barefoot in Madina out of respect for Rasulullah (SAWS);our mothers the Prophet’s wives; his daughters, uncles, cousins, and thousands of Sahaba all left without one sign - i.e. monument or
inscription - reminding of their existence or “services rendered to Islam.” But why remember them? Wouldn’t that be… `IBADA!?

CONCLUSION:It is hoped that this brief description will help dispel the false and
unjust notion that no Mawlid of any kind is celebrated in the Wahhabi/“Salafi” world today.

The Wahabis just don’t want the ummah to remember mawlids the Prophet (s) and the Companions for that would be Bida’h. However, come & rejoice the founding of the kingdom of the Saud and the creed of Wahabiyya and their leaders! May Allah protect us from these enemies of Islam and his Prophet (saw)!

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lol...hey abdul(btw: who named you?)

wahabies follow quran and hadith ONLY not fiqa or anything else book written by some dead pir saab of south asia.
How much do you follow quran and hadith???( forget fiqa its 85% different than hadith.)

Do you think what YOU guys do is right in islam? Celebrating Prophets(PBH) birthday, having and singing shirkaana songs about allah and his messenger(PBH), going on darrbaars and praying to dead for your problems??????????????????? now those are PRE ISLAMIC rituals done by non-muslims of PRE-islamic era. ARE you suggesting that doing things like that makes you real muslim and NOT following quran and hadith. ????????????

Do you think following quran and hadith is being enemy of islam? Yes or No? and WHY?

Please answer that in debth.

Jaawan

till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

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Jawaan

1) How is your response related to the points raised in the thread?

Tell me:
i)Why do the saudis & wahabiyyas celebrate the MAWLID of the founder of the wahabi faith?

ii)Why do the wahabis celebrate the founding of the wahabiya kingdom and the defeat & ultimate DESTRUCTION of the Khilafate ( Caliphate)?

iii)What is the purpose of all these ostentatious monuments dedicated to the wahabiya creed within the vicinity of the Prophet's(saw) burial site?

Any response from our dedicated wahabi followers. I mean to CELEBRATE the destruction of the Khilafate alone puts you guys in the camp of heathens!

2) Now, your points about wahabis following quran & hadiths!

i)This is a lie! The wahabis follow the teachings of their Ibn Tammiyya. The hadiths/sunnah are again based on Ibn Tamiyya.

Tell me:
i)Didn't the prophet forbade the writings of his sunnah/hadiths?

ii)Do these sunnah of Ibn Tamiyya reflect, in any way, the spirit of Islam and the current contempory times?

iii)By following the writings of Ibn Tamiyya, the wahabiyyas follow ibn tamiyya not the quran or the prophet - end of story!

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Instead of making up croks about wahabies why dont you answer the "kaafiraana" bidaats that you guys do and answer my questions.

I am not the one hating wahabis or calling the people who follow quran and hadith the enemy of islam.

You think are enemies of prophet and islam!
Now you LOVE the prophet so much...why have you created soo much bullshit in his religion? WHy have to created on the name of GOOD deed a shirkana and bidaats in islam? Answer those questions...FROM hadith and QURAN but you wont find any ansnwers in quran or hadith....and you will put non-sense from fiqa to justify your false-hoodness.

Anyways this topic has been raised before and YOU have been proven wrong! Is that all you do sit there and write shit about other people who you dont know? have no knowledge of what kinda things(quran and hadith) they follow?
Apney app par dekhoo and TRY to fix your shirkaana self....before you go out and blaim others whome you dont know and what they practice.

Do answer those questions that i asked in my FIRST post in this thread.

Im sure you dont understand what i am saying...as it is..God has locked your hearts from seeing the truths that is QURAN AND HADITH.

Finally I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF wahabis celebrating wahabism or some things like that I DO NOT DO it. Islam has only 2 holidays and thats it. ITS YOU people who have created non-sense and celebration of other kind which you adapted from YOUR hindu brothers.

Jaawan

till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!

[This message has been edited by Jaawan* (edited August 20, 2000).]

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To Abdul Malik:

Thnx for the useful info in the main thread. This is consistent to what has been written abour the wahabis & their beliefs. And, this is why the main sunni body has declared them HERETICS and asked that they be SHUNNED.

What could be their intention in asking the ummah to refrain from eid-e-milad un Nabi but going full force, with music & bands, to celebrate the mawlid of the wahabism founder and their scholars and even celbrating the DESTRUCTION of the Khilafat?

The conclusions are clear. The wahabis would like the people to focus on the hadiths/teachings of their teacher & scholar - Ibn Tamiya’ah who superimposed his teachings over Imam Hanbali(ra)teachings.

It is common knowledge that wahabis degarde & insult the memory of the founders of the sunni schools - Hanafi, Makiki, Shaefi.

To Jawaan,
Based on whose authority do the wahabis dictate muslims to abstain from celebrating the mawlid of the Prophet(saw) doing khattams, Quran kwani, etc?

The only people that have this authority under Islam are:
the Caliph;
the Imam;
the Qutub.

Since the Khilafat is long gone whose destruction was brought about by the wahabis and this is also celebrated by the wahabis - believe it or not! Yes, my dear brothers & sisters in Islam, the wahabis do celebrate the founding of the wahabiyya kingdom and the destruction of the Khilaphate!

To Jawaan,
why are you asking sufi-related questions to Abdul malik?

Jawan, You say:
“Do you think what YOU guys do is right in islam? Celebrating Prophets(PBH) birthday, having and singing shirkaana songs about allah and his messenger(PBH), going on darrbaars and praying to dead for your problems”

Readers should bookmark this link for evidence about Eid-e-Milad-un-Nabi in the light of Qur’an & Ahadith.
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/milad_question.html

In the meanwhile, I can handle these jaheels & their jahaliyat anytime!

i)“Do you think what YOU guys do is right in islam? Celebrating Prophets(PBH) birthday”

We celebrate the mawlid of the Prophet(saw) along with shias, traditional sunnis and other muslims. This is a long held islamic tradition instituted by the religious authorities of the sunnis, shias & sufis. Pls refer to the link for a complete response.

NOTE: The wahabis who crept out of the desert 200 years ago are against celebrating this auspicious day but have no problems celebrating the mawlids of wahabism (refer to the main thread).

ii) “Singing singing shirkaana songs about allah and his messenger(PBH)”

Again, praising Allah and his prophet (saw)is a long held islamic tradition instituted by our religious authority. Qasidas in praise of Allah may be ‘shirkaana’ for you wahabis but for us they are our heritage & traditions.

NOTE: The wahabis have no problems building monuments, throwing lavish gatherings/ parties to celebrate the mawlids of wahabism.

iii)“going on darrbaars and praying to dead for your problems”

Offering Fateha and caring for the graves of the deceased in not unislamic or from pre-islamic days.

NOTE: The wahabis forbid caring for the graves of deceased calling it a waste. But building huge monuments for their wahabiyya leaders is not a waste.

If you remember, the wahabis went on a rampage, about 200 years ago, destroying & desecrating monuments & birth places of the Prophet, his household and the Companions. The wahabis even made tea inside the holy Ka’aba! – Naujabillah!

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logical,

Your question to the wahabis re: Religious Authority is a good one. While the whole muslim ummah agrees on the concept of 'Religious Authority' in Islam, the wahabiyya, however rejects any concept of Religious Authority even that of the Prophet(saw).

Yes, you heard me correct - the wahabis state that the prophet's mission was to deliver the message - that is it! The prophet was not from Abraham, the prophet was not a leader, interpreter & guide of the followers. The prophet was a 'mere' man whose mission was just to deliver the Quran - period!

So, wahabis - on whose authority do you forbid the celebration of the mawlid of the Prophet(saw)?

After all the 1/4 of the quran, if not more, talks about 'Religious Authority' and that authority is either:
Ahle Bayt Imam or Caliph!

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faceup what u said about beleifs of wahabies makes so much sense. who said its hard to change someone by an argument.

i was born in a sunni family but insha'allah we will now be known as wahabies. Anyother beleifs you would like to mention about wahabies? I am interested.

thanks,

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mundyaa,

I am not sure I understand! I am impressed that you gave up the sunni Islam madhab for wahabism.

In my previous post, I was commenting on logical's observations on matters pertaining to 'Religious Authority'. Since the wahabis reject Religious Authority of the Prophet & Caliphs then, on whose authority do they forbid the mawlid of the Prophet(saw)?

Could you read my previous post again and answer accordingly. Thank you.

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Lol you guys are total idiots.

Answer my questions. I dont have to answer yours because i dont do those shirkss tht you do.

Why do you guys go on darrbaars and bow downs to graves? like daataa darbaars and all those other one. I have seen with my own eyes people doing that.
WHy have allah held arabs to be muhafizz of kaabaa? they are wahabies they dont do the biddats that you gusy do.

Why do you go on hajj in mecca????????? Make your own than. if you hate us the followerss of QURAN and HADITH soo much.

Where in quran has allah told you do give 11 (giyaarween sharifs)! those are YOUR creations. Even though when you gusy go on daarbaars, it says there.... bowing down to anything except kabba and allah is HARAM but still ignorent and stupid like you do it.

This post of yours is another way of justifying that YOU can creat false and shirkss in islam. And you dont like wahabies because THEY say YOU HAVE to follow quran and hadith and NOT to creat new stuff in islam.

But you dont want to listen to allah. You are one of those who WISH there was no God. Shame on your guys. May you burn in hell here on earth and in jaahunumm...may allah have his laahnaat on you.
Thank you bye.

Jaawan

till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!

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Visit the following site for exploring Wahabism.
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/dogs.html

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Your link does not work.

And its NOT wahabism. Wahab only asked peopel to follow QURAN and HADITH he did NOT put his own ideas in islam, like most of you have already and are sticked to your shirkana deeds. here read what wahabis are sunies and wahab are. No group actually calls itself Wahabis. However, people may call some of those who express certain views as Wahabis, which is a name supposed to refer to the followers of Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab who was a great reformer and scholar. He lived in Najd over 200 years ago and worked hard to eradicate all innovations from Islamic worship. Such innovations had crept into the practices of Muslim communities due to ignorance and long periods of decline undergone by Muslim communities. He maintained that the example of the Prophet i.e. the Sunnah should be followed diligently. There is no disagreement among scholars that this is required of every Muslim. It is unfortunate that some of the practices which Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab spoke very strongly against still persist in some Muslim communities. These include such terrible practices as visiting the graves of supposedly saintly people and asking the dead to intervene with Allah on behalf of the visitor for any purpose. Such a practice Islam shuns, since it is a manifestation of associating partners with Allah. Imam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab belonged to the Sunni Muslims who, by virtue of their name, should follow the Sunnah, or the example, set by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with diligence. Hence, it is wrong to classify Muslims as Wahabis and Sunnis, since the followers of Imam Abdulwahhab belong to the Sunni group of Muslims. The vigorous arguments and fighting you have spoken of are certainly deplorable. This happens, nevertheless, because people are sometimes too rigid in their views. Those who insist on following the Sunnah of the Prophet diligently should have the patience to teach their fellow Muslims, with respect and compassion, that some of their practices are unacceptable from the Muslim point of view. Had they done so, they would find better response by other Muslims.

Jaawan

till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!

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Jawaan

Ya'ar,

The point that is being made is - only the Caliph or the Ahle bayt Imam can ask the muslims not to celebrate the mawlid of the Prophet(saw)because they are the 'Religious Authority' in Islam as per the Quran.

1) On the other hand, the wahabis reject the idea of any "Religious Authority" either a Caliph or Imam to guide the ummah as being ordained in the Quran;

2) The celebration of the Prophet's birth anniversary has been instituted by Islam's Religious Authority - the Caliphs and the Imams;

3)Are the wahabis cancelling the authority of Islam's Caliphs & Imams who started the noble tradition of celebrating the mawlid of the Prophet(saw) ?

4)Based on whose authority do the wahabis cancel & override the Caliphs & Imam's tradition of celebrating the mawlid of the Prophet and command the ummah to refrain from the mawlid of the Prophet(saw)?

Can the wahabis provide straight forward answers to these points!

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It's funny to see logical aka faceup trying to be a follower of sunnis when he has all along rejected and insulted the sunnah.

On the other hand, the wahabis reject the idea of any "Religious Authority" either a Caliph or Imam to guide the ummah as being ordained in the Quran<<
The scholars (people who have deep understanding of Qur'an and Sunnah) of Islaam guide the Ummah, who may not necessariy be a caliph.

The celebration of the Prophet's birth anniversary has been instituted by Islam's Religious Authority - the Caliphs and the Imams<<
Liar! It has been instituted by the peto maulvis who want to eat daal, chawal, halva from the simpletons and ignorants.

Are the wahabis cancelling the authority of Islam's Caliphs & Imams who started the noble tradition of celebrating the mawlid of the Prophet(saw)<<
We certainly cancel anything, having no basis in the Qura'n and Sunnah.

Based on whose authority do the wahabis cancel & override the Caliphs & Imam's tradition of celebrating the mawlid of the Prophet and command the ummah to refrain from the mawlid of the Prophet(saw)<<
based upon the authority of the Qur'an and Sunnah.

A history lesson for you:

When the Mongols invaded syria, ibn Taimiyah flung himslef into the stream of affairs and exhorted people to Jihaad against the Mongols, while the sufis busied themselves with making halva karaiahn. Ibn Taimiyah led his people in the battle at Shaqhab in which he fought bravely and the Syrian-Egyptian army emerged victorious. Because of this ibn Taimiyah achieved great popularity amongst the people which led some peto maulvis to burn in jealousy, which continues until today amongst their followers.

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Salam-a-lekum brothers and sisters,
It is very unfortunate that we muslims are divided. I am a follower of Sunnah and believe that the "Wahabi" sect has distorted the image of Islam all over the world. I am a Hanafi sunni but I have a bunch of friends from other sects. We all eat and talk together. Those people ( maliki, shafae, shias, sufis) are all nice people. "Wahabis" are the extremist of all and their problem is that they dont listen. They do not have a good tolerant behaviour. The Talibans in Afghanistan are a brutal example of this behaviour. The Talibans (Wahabis) do not allow women to get education, they kill people without giving them a chance to prove innocence.
One thing I do not understand is that "The talibanis (wahabis) who cannot control their own temper, how would they control (govern) a government. The taliban (wahabis) are brutal like animals.
We (hanafis, shafae, hanbali,shias, and sufis) had been living together for a long period of time with full harmony. Though we had some differences but we all believe in One Allah, His messenger (Prophet Mohammed s.a.w) and quran. It is the terrible fitna of Wahabiism that has destroyed the unity of Muslims, therefore Wahabis are the enmies of Islam and Muslims.

Allah-o-akbar!
Labbaik Ya-Rasoolallah (s.a.w).

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salafi,

Good to know that you’re still keeping the faith!

When you say:

  1. “The scholars (people who have deep understanding of Qur’an and Sunnah) of Islaam guide the Ummah, who may not necessariy be a caliph.”

Salafi, Is this from the Quran? Or, made up by Ibn Tamiyyah - the secret prophet of the wahabis. After all, the only sunnah that the wahabis follow are written by Ibn Tamiyyah.

According to what you say, there can be a million mullahs claiming to be expert in the sunnah of the 7th century. Can a million mullahs guide to the straight path?

  1. Your statement:
    “Liar! It [Prophet’s mawlid] has been instituted by the peto maulvis who want to eat daal, chawal, halva from the simpletons and ignorants.”

Salafi, review the info at this link and then tell me who is a liar.
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/milad_question.html

Thanks for calling us simpleton for honoring the memory of our beloved prophet(saw)!

  1. To my question “Are the wahabis cancelling the authority of Islam’s Caliphs & Imams who started the noble tradition of celebrating the mawlid of the Prophet(saw) ?”

Your answer:
“We certainly cancel anything, having no basis in the Qura’n and Sunnah.”

Did you review this link provided that proves it quranically noble to celebrate prophet’s mawlid.
: http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/milad_question.html

The prophet’s mawlid has been sanctioned by the Ahl as Sunnah Jamaat - the main sunni body which has also declared you people HERETICS.

The desert-crawlers (wahabis) that came into existence 200 years ago claim to have the authority to cancel the institution of prophet’s mawlid that has flourished since early Islam under the authority of caliphs & imams. And, the religious authority they claim are coming from the million plus wahabi mullahs.

  1. Re: Lesson in History.
    I suggest you read the early history of the wahabis !
    i)The wahabis pillage & sacrilege of prophet, his family and companions’ grave sites and monuments.
    ii)The sacrilege of the Karbala and Imam Hussain’s tomb.
    iii) The making of tea inside the Ka’aba!
    iv) The massacre of thousands upon thousands people of the Sunnah!
    v) Stopping muslims from doing haj .
    vi) The wahabis complicity with the British in the destruction of the Caliphate.
    vii)The wahabis celebration of the destruction of the Caliphate and establishment of the wahabi kingdom.
    viii) etc, etc.
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faceup- listen carefully. Quran tells us not to divide religion into sects. If anyone does that their is a dreadful penalty for them in hereafter. This is the bottom line. Sects are never accepted in Islam- The religion of Allah.

Keep it simple-
Pray your daily prayers
Always keep in mind when praying that you are praying only to Allah who is right above you
and follow Sunnah

If you think following these three things is going against Islam then you are not a Muslim. Of course you will find many fatwas which would give complete proofs from Quran to prove them right. They are the guilty once because they twist things around. Don't do that. Again keep it simple. The once who twist Quranic Ayahs around to fit into what they believe, they do not give a reference from Hadith that explains that Ayah. They just think of a meaning of that Ayah on top of their head and make it fit what they believe.

For example:

If you are standing on a roof and I say to you "what is up" there are 2 meanings for that. One is what are you up to? The other is what is up on the roof? You can make it fit whatever you want to but how can you be sure unless you ask me. In the case of Quran, we can't just translate the meanings from top of our head, we have to go and search for the Hadith that talks about that Ayah to be in the safe side.

Also there are some Ayahs to which you can't have more than one meaning. Such as if I tell you "stop" I mean stop. When Allah said in Quran don't divide your religion into sects if you do their is a dreadful penalty after like. He means don't belong to a sect. This is a very clear Ayah and it is stupid to twist this Ayah to whatever you believe in unless you accept that you do not want to follow the law of Allah but follow the man made law and so called proofs.

I hope this was simple.

Sunni is never a sect. Books say it is but I don't have time to explain you in detail, if it bothers you calling yourself a Sunni then don't call yourself anything but just follow Quran and Sunnah and keep your life simple. Sunni is a descriptive word which describes that you follow the way of Prophet(S.A.W.) and also you follow what Prophet(S.A.W.) told his companions.

Religion is not a game, life is very shot so please, please don't kill yourself just because you find so called proofs. Read Quran and follow Sunnah!!!

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Lil Boy,

1) Your statement:
"There are no sects in Sunni-ism"

My dear Little Boy, there were about 15 sunni sects around the 8-9th century before the sunnis limited it to just 4. They could have chosen to eliminate all sects and/or combine into just 1 sect. The reason they couldn't do this was because of SHARP differences amongst the 4 sects of Sunni Islam. Today, just in the Salat/Namaz there are 300 differences amongst the 4 sects. So, what is this you're talking about that there are no sects in sunniism!

2) Next time you quote ayas from the quran, please mention the surah & aya or quote directly the complete aya. Let the readers interpret the ayas themselves.

3) There is a thread called: THE STATUS OF SUNNAH IN ISLAM, may I suggest you take your comments re:Sunnah there!

Neither Allah or the Prophet asked the ummah to follow the Sunnah! The sahihs written by bukhari & co is a scandalous account of the ‘way of the prophet’ which is very insulting to the prophe(saw). And, they charge Salman Rushdie of blasphemey. I suggest you meet me in the thread: THE STAUS OF THE SUNNAH IN ISLAM.

4) In this thread:ARE THE WAHABIS ENEMIES OF ISLAM AND THE PROPHET, I am asking the wahabis to explain, as per the quran, with whose Religious Authority do the wahabis command the ummah not to celebrate Prophet's mawlid? In this respect questions have been put forth to both Jawaan & Salafi and I strongly recommend that you answer those questions.

5) The wahabis, as per the Ahl as sunnah Jamaat, are“Goomrah” or Heretic, and, they should be SHUNNED.

I find it amusing that you are going against the fatwa of the main Sunni body unless you are a wahabi yourself. Today, the biggest damage to unity within the ummah has come from your wahabis. The sunni-shia rift is due 100% to the wahabis. The continous fratricidal war in Afghanistan is again due to the assistance given taliban by the wahabiyya of Saudi Arabia & UAE. The turmoil in other muslim countries are again due to these arrogant & heretic wahabis

.Is it any wonder that the Prophet(saw) foretold of the biggest FITNA to come out of Najd ! This FITNA is none other than the Najadis/Wahabis/Salafis/Ahle Hadith.

6) To Muslim786: brother, I couldn’t agree more with your post. I welcome you to this board and hope that you’ll continue to write.

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Talibans are wahabis. Their origin starts from Ibn-saud and Abdul-wahab. Both these guys were destroyers of Islam and Islamic heritage in Makkah and Madinah. They massacared muslims in Makkah and Madinah during 1800 and again in 1924. Now their heirs are trying to destroy Islam and trying to give it a bad name by encouraging Talibans.
http://eurasianews.com/disc/_disc1/00000002.htm
http://www.al-islam.org/shrines/baqi.htm

Wassalm,
Muslim786.

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Hmmmmmmmmmmm well i am follower of QURAN and HADITH. And i dont accept ANYOTHER authority over those 2 books.
I dont know authority are you talking about but...we muslims have gottent he message from allah and his messenger(PBH) his sunnah and quran( the book of allah) thats all that is needed to be a muslim.
If you think following quran and hadith is wrong..well suite your self. you will go to your own graves and i will go to mine own. And allah will judge us. As i know and i hope you to do... mohammad(PBH) told us he said "i am leaving to things behind my(his-mohammads) and his suhaaba's and book of allah. When you hold those 2 things TIGHT you will NOT go astray".

As you read my post earlier...NO group actually calls it self wahabis..ITS YOU PEOPLE who differenciate others who say we should ONLY follow quran and hadith from your self. Finally brothers to you your religion and to me my religion.

Please do read the posts and try to understand it. Creating new things and looking for excuses like jews did with mooses is not being muslim...its being jew. If you know the truth you should come to it NOT make excuse or run away from it...knowing that its coming from someone you dont like.

Anyways enough replies from me on this topic..i have done my job or i have tried to cleared out the funny and non-sense things YOU have created in religion and you blaim others for your bad deeds. may allah guide you in right way. Good luck.

You guys can sit here and babble about muhafizz of kaabaa being enemy of allah LOL LOL bunch of idiots you are. thats a shame...you people are the reason islam is in sects YOU are the reason...we are NOT on straight path...we have deverted...you make excuses and make wrong things right in religion. after some times you will say sex before marriage is OK. people today say...muslim people who are followers of this grave bowing and all that shit say that there should be NO God. Now you tell me who is enemy of allah. wahabis or the them. Its a shame how people have locked their hearts and are pig-headed on one thing.
its a shame.

bye bye.

Jaawan

till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!

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Oh yeah one more thing....

Instead of putting non-sense about other sects and making it worst..why dont you tell us what is the TRUE islam in your point of view?

I WONDER WHY HAVE ANYONE NOT YET ANSWERED ANY OF MY QUESTIONS???????????????????????????? ololololol

Is true islam in your eyes...bowing down to graves? IF it was NOT for WAHAHBis you stupid idiots would be bowing down to mohammads grave. Thats a shame!!!

Jaawan

till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!