To Jawan,
I guess you need to grow up. You are still alittle kid. I am a hanafi muslim but whenever i go to medina i say assalam-o-alekum ya rasoolallah because it is in accordance with the verse of quran about "saying salam to Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) and his family".
It is not worshipping him or anything.
Here is a very clear logic:
"A scholar from Egypt came to Saudi Arabia and presented King Fahad the Holy Quran wrapped in a LEATHER CASE. King Fahad kissed the leather case in which the Quran was wrapped. The Egyptian scholar from Jama-Al-Azhar then asked Fahad : Why did u kiss the leather caes, its made up of animal skin which is najis (dirty). The King replied: Well I intended to kiss the QURAN INSIDE the leather caes. The Egyptian scholar replied: I feel sorry for you Oh King Fahad because you Wahabis have double-standards. If you can KISS the leather case while focussing on the Holy Quran inside, Why do u object us when we try to KISS the grave of QURAN'S SAVIOUR( Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.). The weirdo King Fahad had no answer."
HEY pagal muslim wana bee…I SAID IF YOU CAN READ!!!
“Is true islam in your eyes…bowing down to graves? IF it was NOT for WAHAHBis you stupid idiots would be bowing down to mohammads grave. Thats a shame!!!” READ IT OVER ANd OVER again with help of adult.
What that means is…you guys go bowing down to graves..in pakistan…but if there were NO real followers of quran and sunnah in soudia YOU ignorent people would go to madina and would also start BOWING down to grave of mohammad.
You wana say salam sure…i never mentioned saying salam to mohammads grave in my post i said BOWING DOWN>!!! IDIOTS!
TRY TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS THAT IASKED PLEASEEEEEEEE..i WOULD love TO SEE SOME ONE ANSWER THOSE. and how he or she creats non-sense to justify those answers.
Finally… how true is the tail you told? references?
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/rolleyes.gif
another prankk…
DO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS> I wwana see how stupid can you get…if you dont that means those things are right and you are trying to avoid them.
bye muslim wana be…
Jaawan
till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid
Wise Man says:>What I say won’t really change anything, but what you say doesn’t really matter!
Salam readers,
Well JAWAN you are proving my point that u are STILL AN OVEREXCITED LITTLE KID. Readers should observe the nasty language and attitude used by these WAHABIS/SALAFIS(Jawan is an example). Are these the teachings of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) to use words such as "IDIOT (Jawan used this word in the previous post)". You wahabis are misguided . May Allah have mercy on you and show you the right path. The path of real love towards Allah and his beloved Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w). You wahabis treat Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.) as an ordinary man. You do not respect him as Rehmat-ul-lil-aalimeen.
And we NEVER BOW to anty grave. We only consider the aulias ( friends of Allah) like data gunj baksh, Shah Latif, etc as very pious and close to Allah. Jawan you are just a kid. I'd recommend u ask any of your old family members how Islam came to the subcontinent. It is because of the great teachings of these aulias that Hindus and Sikhs accepted Islam in large number.
And also when u go talk to your father, please ask him to teach u some manners and to teach u how u should talk to a 50 year old person(me).
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Jawaan
I am going to ask you to watch your language!
The questions that you had were answered a while back by logical.
Here they are once again; your Questions followed by the answers:
Qi)“Do you think what YOU guys do is right in islam? Celebrating Prophets(PBH) birthday”
Answer: We celebrate the mawlid of the Prophet(saw) along with shias, traditional sunnis and other muslims. This is a long held islamic tradition instituted by the religious authorities of the sunnis, shias & sufis. Pls refer to the link for a complete response.
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/milad_question.html
NOTE: The wahabis who crept out of the desert 200 years ago are against celebrating this auspicious day but have no problems celebrating the mawlids of wahabism (refer to the main thread posted by abdul malik).
Q ii) “Singing singing shirkaana songs about allah and his messenger(PBH)”
Answer: Again, praising Allah and his prophet (saw)is a long held islamic tradition instituted by our religious authority. Qasidas in praise of Allah may be ‘shirkaana’ for you wahabis but for us they are our heritage & traditions.
NOTE: The wahabis have no problems building monuments, throwing lavish gatherings/ parties to celebrate the mawlids of wahabism.
Q iii)“going on darrbaars and praying to dead for your problems”
Answering: Offering Fateha and caring for the graves of the deceased in not unislamic or from pre-islamic days.
NOTE: The wahabis forbid caring for the graves of deceased calling it a waste. But building huge monuments for their wahabiyya leaders is not a waste.
If you remember, the wahabis went on a rampage, about 200 years ago, destroying & desecrating monuments & birth places of the Prophet, his household and the Companions. The wahabis even made tea inside the holy Ka’aba! – Naujabillah!
In traditional Islam only a Caliph and an Ahle Bayt Imam can make changes in the observances of the deen/religion; for example, the milad un nabi. The beliefs of heretic wahabis is suspect and as such they should be careful about denouncing the beliefs & practises of Traditional Islam.
One more point:
"The wahabis/salafis/TALIBANS who cannot even CONTROL their temper, how'd we expect them to CONTROL (govern) a government in Afghanistan?"
Wassalam,
Muslim786.
Jawaan
Where is that co-religionist of yours- Little Boy? Time to get some additional help from some 'demented' paid hack of the wahabis!
These wahabis fool others by claiming that they - the wahabis do not believe in any sects of Sunnis! Ask a salafi next time and he will give you a song & dance about their beliefs in Quran & Sunnah only! Yes, Sunnah written & taught by Ibn Tamiyyah only - The Great Wahabiyya Master!
faceup- wash your face first before you say something. When Jawaan or I ask you a question you don't answer but give your non-sense. Here are the exact Ayahs of Quran which forbids us to divide the religion. Again before you read this please wash your dirty face and read the whole thing. I said the word "Sunni" is a descriptive word. I did not say that there are no sects in "Sunni". Again sects in Islam are forbidden. If it bothers you calling yourself a Sunni then don't call yourself anything except a Muslim. Sects are strictly forbidden. Here are you Ayahs of Quran:
3:105 Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs: For them is a dreadful penalty,-
6:159 As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.
Now if you disagree and add your stupid non-sense and twist this Ayah to fit your stupid non-sense then Allah Hafiz for you.
Keep it simple!!!
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faceup,
I hope you found the last history lesson useful, here's more.
The wahabis who crept out of the desert 200 years ago<<
and then says
Yes, Sunnah written & taught by Ibn Tamiyyah only - The Great Wahabiyya Master<<
Are you mental or are you just stupid. People like you provide great business to the American brain-transplant industry. Do you know which era ibn Taimiyah lived in?
LilBoy,
Stop twisting words about Sunnis being a descriptive words and what not! What drugs are you on?
q1) If 'Sects are Forbidden' then why do you - wahabis follow, strictly, the teachings of Ibn Tamiyya?
q2) Do you deny that there were about 15 sects in Sunni Madhab in the early part of Islam and there would have been many more if the sunni ulemas hadn't clamped down and limited the number to 4?
q3) If there are not supposed to be any sects in sunni madzhab then, why were 4 sects allowed by the eminent sunni alims ?
q4) Those verses are examples of Islamic Brotherhood. It can also be interpreted as ensuring the ummah follow the correct path and not the path of Jaheels & Jahaliyat of wahabiyyas. So, stop propagating the Jahaliyat of the wahabis!
The reality is - there are 4 school of thoughts (Wahabism is not one of those). Islam is not just one way; instead, it is an Ummah of many thoughts & traditions!
slaaaaaaaam,
first thing is that wahabi came to word wahab which is the name of mighty allah.
the people who are "alaping" this alarm that suni is kafer, shia is kafer, wahabi is kafer. Those are just dividing islam.
the problem of them is that they don’t wana leave ** "berahman" and catholic** 's custams and believes.
lets focus at this
Ash_ hadu_ allah_illaha_illallah_ wahedahu_ la shareek ka_ la_ ho_ va_ ash_ ha_ du_ unna muhammedun_ abdu_ ho_ va_ rasoolo_ ho.
translation
mein guvahi deta hoon ka allah aik hai
or oss ka koi shareek nehien nabi_e_ kareem (PBUH) allah kaay akheree nabi or rasool hein.
this is what we all muslim should believe, but it aint happen all the time. cuz some of our brother go to "mizars" instead of doing pray to allah they do sujida to graves. they play music at muzar and do dance. one more thing that becoming popular is dating at muzars. That all i saw with my own eyes lots of times.
if somebody say to u that it is wrong that what u ppl doin at muzars than u ppl have only answer.
that u r wahabi, and u r kafer.
tell me where allah mention those sheriks in Quran or hadiss.
these are the ppl who r fudamentals"bloody holiers" who r responcible for what westren media is blaming islam today.
islam is very easy to fallow , but these firqa purest making it hard by puting hinduus shirks and catholics believs.
brothers lets fallow what allah said in Quranand prophet Mhammed(pbuh) said in hadis.
vo mozuz thai ziumanay mein muslman ho ker.
tum khawar hovaay tarrik_e_Quran ho ker.
dr.allama iqbal
fi aman allah
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Zar Leo
Do you agree that there is a fatwa against these wahabiyyas from Ahl as Sunnah Jammah declaring them HERETICS and to be SHUNNED at all costs! Do not eat with them, pray with them or have any business relations with them?
Obviously, you do not! How much did you get paid by them for your allegiance? Come on, you may tell us! It's no big secret!
This long song & dance about bidat and unity crap is meant to impress the idiots ! Did you read the main post from Abdul Malik to see how they dissuade the muslims from showing respect to the Prophet(saw) while they have mawlids for their wahabiyya founders and heap ostentatious monuments on them; while at the same time demolishing the ancient homes of Prophet's relatives & his companions.
Let me guess, you are impressed by the "NO-SECT" bull shit put forth by these wahabiyyas. Didn't our Prophet said that the ummah will split intom 73 sects. They (the Wahabis) are splitting the Ahl as Sunnah and either they are with it or OUT of it! Make no mistake - they are OUT OF IT!
hahahaahahahahahha you guys are the onesssssssssss calling us wahabissssssss when WE DONT LIK BEING CALLED that read my post above...WAHABIES DO NOT PERMOTE SECTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! its YOU! answer my questions in my first post coward!!!
Jaawan
till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**
**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!
faceup- answer Jawaan in simple language first.
I told you to wash your face before you read what I wrote. It's either you drink too much or a shamed of yourself because you never wanna answer the direct statements or questions but put in your non-sense.
Stuppid, I said Sects are forbidden in Islam!!! We do not call us Wahabis. We do not call ourselves Wahabisssssss.... We are the True Muslims not one of those so called Muslims. We follow Quran and Sunnah or as much as we can but we do not put in non-sense. I'll give you some direct questions and would like a direct answer. Here are they:
After I showed you the verses of Quran that forbids dividing religion into sects. Do you still belong to a sect?
What gives you the right to call us Wahabis? Are you a shamed of yourself that you are a Wahabi so you started calling us Wahabis?
If Quran tells you do not eat pork and a so called Alim tells you eating pork is fine in Islam. Which one are you going to follow, Quran or that fake Alim? I don't know about you but I will follow the Quran.
Now I gave you clear Ayahs of Quran that forbids having sects in Islam and you told me that some Alims said there are 4 sects in Sunnis which are fine in Islam. Are you really stuppid? Or do you like following man made laws?
If Allah said in Quran that sects are not allowed, then that means they are not allowed. It does not matter what fake Alims say.
Again, follow Quran and Sunnah, and Insha-Allah you will be safe in hereafter, don't kill the most beautiful gift that Allah has given you, your life!!!
The wahabis will always use rough & abusive language to try and impress; more importantly, they think (sick) it helps conceal their inability to answer questions put to them.
1) Check out their subterfuge surrounding 'No Sect' and their position on 'Religious Authority' in Islam. Concentrate on this:
2) Lil Boy,
The Prophet himself said the Ummah will split into 73 sects. Are you rejecting this hadith?
Those verses in quran are an admonishment against those involved in splitting up the Ummah and working against the interest of Islam.
Nobody in the muslim world can deny that the Wahabis are the greatest threat to the unity of the Ummah!
3) Sunnis prefer to be seamless or without sects; however, the fact is - just in our salat there are 300 differences. So, don't waste your foul breath on matters of Sunni-ism that Wahabism, founded 200 years ago after the DESTRUCTION of Caliphate, cannot understand. NOTE: The wahabis had a hand in the destruction of the Ottaman Caliphate.
The wahabis are either part of the Ahl as Sunnah Jammat or not. So far- they are not! Give up this Wahabi-ism and accept Ahl as Sunnah!
4) Since the Wahabis are out of Sunni Islam then, based on whose Religious Authority' do you ask the muslims not to celebrate Eid e Milad un Nabi? This question has also been asked number of times.
5) Give up this song & Dance about Wahabis following Quran & Hadith! The only thing you Wahabis follow is the Taqleed of their Ibn Taymiyyah. Even you cannot deny this. Actually, this has been put in a question format number of times!
6) Listen carefully - you wahabis will ALWAYS be that: Wahabis!
Until, you give up your Fitna and accept Ahl As Sunnah . There you have the answer to "What gives you the right to call us Wahabis?"
7) BTW, Jawan is capable of asking his own questions. Try not to speak on his behalf.
Jawaan,
1) Still, under the delusion of being a wahabi! Who cares what a Heretic likes or not! You are a Heretic sect called the Wahabis!
2) Which questions have not been answered? Do you think that I would avoid telling a spade a spade at every opportunity?
The wahabis will always use rough & abusive language to try and impress; more importantly, they think (sick) it helps conceal their inability to answer questions put to them.
1) Check out their subterfuge surrounding 'No Sect' and their position on 'Religious Authority' in Islam. Concentrate on this:
2) Lil Boy,
The Prophet himself said the Ummah will split into 73 sects. Are you rejecting this hadith?
Those verses in quran are an admonishment against those involved in splitting up the Ummah and working against the interest of Islam.
Nobody in the muslim world can deny that the Wahabis are the greatest threat to the unity of the Ummah!
3) Sunnis prefer to be seamless or without sects; however, the fact is - just in our salat there are 300 differences. So, don't waste your foul breath on matters of Sunni-ism that Wahabism, founded 200 years ago after the DESTRUCTION of Caliphate, cannot understand. NOTE: The wahabis had a hand in the destruction of the Ottaman Caliphate.
The wahabis are either part of the Ahl as Sunnah Jammat or not. So far- they are not! Give up this Wahabi-ism and accept Ahl as Sunnah!
4) Since the Wahabis are out of Sunni Islam then, based on whose Religious Authority' do you ask the muslims not to celebrate Eid e Milad un Nabi? This question has also been asked number of times.
5) Give up this song & Dance about Wahabis following Quran & Hadith! The only thing you Wahabis follow is the Taqleed of their Ibn Taymiyyah. Even you cannot deny this. Actually, this has been put in a question format number of times!
6) Listen carefully - you wahabis will ALWAYS be that: Wahabis!
Until, you give up your Fitna and accept Ahl As Sunnah . There you have the answer to "What gives you the right to call us Wahabis?"
7) BTW, Jawan is capable of asking his own questions. Try not to speak on his behalf.
Jawaan,
1) Still, under the delusion of being a wahabi! Who cares what a Heretic likes or not! You are a Heretic sect called the Wahabis!
2) Which questions have not been answered? Do you think that I would avoid telling a spade a spade at every opportunity?
Wahabis are true Muslims. They following the religion according to the Book Holy Quran. The biggest enemies of Islam are Quadyani's. If you say something about Mirza Ghulam they immediately start comparing him with our beloved Prophet Mohammad SAW.
May Allah subhana hoo watallah guide them to the right path.
Notice the many new members all pushing Wahabiyya creed!
BG: If the wahabiyya are muslims(sic) then pls explain the fatwa from Ahl as sunnah Jammah that they - the wahabis are to be S H U N N E D at all costs. No eating their food, no friendship or praying with them, etc.
Are you askings the sunnis to ignore what their ulema says?
Do you know more than the sunni ulema?
The wahabis are like a cancererous tumour; one of the treatment is to cut it off from its root!
To Bg, Zar Leo, Little Boy, Jawan,
Dear Fellow Muslims, it is so painful to see us fighting here. I really hope that we try to eliminate the differences. Every human is different and therefore we all may have differences. What really worries me is the OVEREXCITEMENT and FANATIC nature of words used here in this forum. This is the very first thing our religion teaches us "To respect others".
The irony of fact is that Wahabism has NOT ONLY DIVIDED MUSLIMS but it has unfortunately also divided the ahle-sunnah wal-jamaa( followers of sunnah).
The wahabi fitna was created by the British Empire. The main objectives of kuffars (britishers) behind it were:
*To destroy the unity of Muslim Ummah
*To destroy the Khilafat-e-Usmania
*To have Sheikhs of their choice deputed in Gulf
*To have easy and free access to oil and gas
*To know the weaknesses of Muslims
For this purpose the deputed two people namely:
*ABDUL WAHAB to create religious misunderstandings mainly between Hanafis, Hanbalis and Malikis (All three are the taleeds of ahle-sunnah wal-jamaa).
and
*ABDUL AZIZ (A relative of Saud from Najd)to control the Saudi Government and so that the West can have easy access to oil and gas. Abdul Aziz had several legal and illegal wives and his sons are more than 100. Thats why every Saudi King has the name "bin abdul-aziz" after his name meaning the son of abdul-aziz.
"I am a witness to some of these conspiracies because I am 50 years old".
The link below is an eye-opener regarding the destruction of Jannat-ul-Baqi by Saudis(wahabis ). The place had graves of Prophet's (s.a.w) Sahabas (r.a) and Prophet's family (r.a).
The Britishers succeeded in their plans and a witness is now we are divided and they have access to oil and gas.
May Allah have mercy on us and keep us united May Allah gives us enough wisdom to understand the terrible web of Wahabis against Islam. Aámeen
Wassalam,
Muslim786
Every Muslim should check it. Here is the link:
http://www.al-islam.org/shrines/baqi.htm
wassalam,
Muslim786
Lol this is hillerious and stupid at the same time: ok here it is again and its my finall post on this topic again. I know i know you guys are stupid enough to confuse this with it but its ok. Allah doesnt want you to be muslims. Here it is. Good luck.
The term "Wahabi" is used as a derogatory label for the Ahl-e-Hadith by those who are against them. This obviously means that such a label should be avoided. This term was coined because of some of the reformatory actions taken by Mohammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, which were not approved by his opponents. This was about three hundred years ago in in the sacred country known as Saudi Arabia.
**During the days of this great reformer (Mohammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab), Muslims of Najd, in particular and other places, in general had added a number of bid`a’t to the sacred body of Islam. As we know, the Prophet and his companions lived their lives in Najd. There were a number of places, graves, stones and trees in Najd, which people started revering in the times of Mohammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. Al-Shokani, in his book "Nail al-Awta’r" has referred to these practices and has shown how close these practices, sometimes came to shirk, i.e. polytheistic practice. People would sometimes take vows at these places, they would pray at these places and sometimes even address these stones, trees and graves as only Allah should be addressed.
Mohammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab condemned these practices. He tried to stop people from them. He even used his influence in demolishing the sites which were used for polytheistic practises by the Muslims of his times.*
Such reformation, besides a number of other corrective actions, was not welcomed by the commoners and neither by the scholars who advocated them. These were the people who started labeling those who agreed with the great reformer as "Wahhabis".
I know this can go on and on...but one must see the truth of QURAN AND HADITH and one should stop following some dead molvi who him self doesnt know if he is going to jaanat or hell. So learn from it and stop doing the shirkaana and bidaats that you do..and stop dividing the religion. But i guess ITS BECAUSE OF YOU PEOPLE that OUR RELIGION ISLAM WILL BE DIVIDED IN TO 73 unlike christians and jews who will have 72. SHAME ON YOU people shame on you really!!!
Jaawan
till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**
**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!