Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
We also believe that respect every religion and try to convince him in th light of quran and sunnah that will remain unchanged till the end of time so hinduism can evolve but the quran and sunnah will remain as it is.
On the questions of appointments of dalits you will have these examples i know kr narayan etc etc but they are just 5 10 individuals what about millions living in pathetic state worse than animals and why did Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar statred a movemnet of neo buddism thats increase your list of prominent dalits one of those who converted to buddism
Re: Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
syedpk…you are wrong? go to any police station in Delhi and find out the cast of SHO. Majority of them are Dalit or from other low casts.
Today many upper casts are carring a fake shedule cast certificates in order to get a secured job.
The trend is in opposite direction.
Here I agree with you. i have no excuses.
Millions of Muslims are also living in slum areas in India and in surrounding countries, are totally illitrate, (who taught them of Quran and Islamic teachings, I wonder),…how you can justify that???
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how come pakistan ended up 135th with no caste system below india?
The report, which was launched by the UNDP resident coordinator Jan Vandermootele, said that Pakistan had shifted to medium human development from low human developed countries by securing the 135th position.
Last year Pakistan was below Nepal and Bangladesh in the ranking, while in the current ranking it fared better than the other two countries.
The report shows that Pakistan had a Human Development Index (HDI) value of 0.527, life expectancy at birth of 63 years, adult literacy rate of 48.7 percent, combined gross enrolment ratio of 35 percent and GDP per capita of $2097. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_15-9-2005_pg7_12
Re: Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
Obviously majority of india is from the lower castes very few of them are brahmins but the power is with the upper caste
Great going in a country where you get a fake certificate for castes what kind of secular country is India that does mean that caste system still very much exist.You mean that scheduled caste have some job quota etc so every one is becoming a dalit.But dalits are converting to other religions.
We have a madressa system where muslims go and get their religious education and some bouys and almost all gorls also study quran when a maulana(tutor) comes at their house and if one learns quran he an teach others to read as well in many areas the elders of the house teach the younger ones
Re: Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
obviously we recognise other religion especialy judaism and christainity.we believe that bible and torah in their original form are books of allah.In the time of prophet muhammed(peace be upon him) we had dialogues with other religions as well so we recognise other religions.But when muhammed(peace be Upon him) was sent by allah and Quran was revealed upon him it is the final book and will reamin the only true religion till the end of time.Islam is not only a religion but a deen(code of life).
I would called it a conflict because conflict is when two sides dont agree at all you can say it is disagreement between the two o some issues.
Shias and sunnis both believe in allah and prohet muhammed as final prophet and quran as the holy book.shias and sunnis pray,fast in ramazan,give zakat,perform haj,etc etc so there is no conflict as you put between the two
There can be some disagreemnets which are minor like shias on the moharram have their majalis on which they do azadaree or mataam.sunnis also observe muhaaram without majlis but to both of them moharram has its sanctity
Disagreement can be between brothers just like that shias and sunnis have some.
this reminds me of the topic Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits] discuss the topic dont divert from it.
Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu stude
I think people are way too confused or wanna show that they are confused about the cast system.
1-They keep mixing slavery with cast system.
2-They keep mixing muslims doing bad deeds in SE Asia to islam itself such as Syed or other social groups made up and iftrated by hinduism cast system rather than Islamic teaching.
3- They keep mixing up not eating non-halal food with not eating anything from a particular cast member
One thing though supporters of cast system have not come up with their view of what they think of cast system as it exist in hidu religeon and their books.
Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu stude
Namaskar, Salam!
We'll be hard pressed to find any 'supporter' for the caste system as it is understood today.
If the original intent / categorization of it - as a method of grouping types of professions based on chosen (by birth or person) profession, then it makes sense...as long as one is able to transcend from one caste to another when changing professions.
I believe this based on a number of Puranic legends of people moving from one caste to another, and inter-marriage.
Bye
PS: This reasoning also explains the concept of the casteless - those without a profession, so cannot be considered as any of the four major groupings.
Re: Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
Your data are not very accurate, but more or less I agree. You must know that the political power is not in the hands of upper casts today…go thru the record of Ministers in centre and in other states.
You must say that trade is in the hands of upper cast and off course the trade controls the politics.
Again you are right…only why you point out to the system opf India. Do you find any country with foolproof system…any country, including yours many Islamic States.
At the same time for this secular tendency you find no agitation in India whenever any one from any section reaches top official or political posts.
And for what reason they are living in sub human conditions and are totally illitrate even after they accepted the religion of knowledge long long back…???
(Ps, I can bet that in their case you will not blame the religion, as you do in the case of Hindus and the rest.)
In this reply you lie on all points including the origin of your religion…a lie in which you are bound to beleive from the day one. I have no arguments.
Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
Why muslims are living in sub human conditions?nice question but you know that not only muslims are living like that hindus,the nearly the entire africa that include christain muslims people who have traditional beliefs and athiests so muslims are not only the ones who are behind
why dont you realise that i always talk about islam and we muslim believe that it is flawless religion but at the same time no muslim can claim that all muslims are perfect.quran is the book of knowledge and we seek guidance from it but it does not mean that we dont need knowledge from other sources as well. prophet muhammed peace be upon him once said if you want to pursue knowledge go to china as well.Please dont take the literal meaning of china he used china because and that time china was far from arabia.The point is muslims should go to all parts of the world to gain knowledge and all kind of knwledge and education religious or non religious like science etc.Many subjects like algebra(from al jabr),contribution in physics,many physicians physicist i wont go into the detail but i can give you detail on muslims contributing in every feild
In modern time muslims are behind some countries of the west but we cant blame everything on the west.we have to take someblame ourselves too for our condition.but look at the present scenario why america is after the resources of muslim countries oil in iraq,central asia.thinking of attacking iran,sudan has oil and they are after sudan as well.so please analyse if our resources are taken away from us how will muslim societies develop in any feild including education.think about it.
Are you sure that there is no agitation??Can coment on others but sonia gandhi was not accepted by the secualr bjp so she had foreign origin and also a christain did she convert to hinduism her daughters husband is a christian
Re: Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
Once you have to look everything thru religion…for discripancies in Islam you blame Muslims…why donot you mantain the same attitude for other religious communities…if you recognize them???
Ilm…for the hardcore Islamic state Talibabn…Ilm meant the knowledge was what the Prophet has said on behalf of Allah…thats all.
For you it is something more. First you decide your inner dispute of knolewdge.
I want read this Ayat or quote from Hadit where Prophet asks Muslims to go to China for knowledge or if he meant Ilm (knowledge) means mathematics, science, physics etc???
Can you help me???
Very good point…BJP protested against her appointment for her foreign origin…and not for her being a Christian.
Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
But you said from any section of society the intolerant India didnot accept her because of her foreign origin and they still call muslims son of babur,mahmood ghaznavi etc they still havent accepted the muslims as indians.They can have a dummy president abulkaam ziauddin and zain ul abideen but majority havenot accepted the muslims.
I believe that hinduism christainity judaism no matter what religion on earth they wont allow corruption murder rape any other social evil.nothing gainst morals tc but you must accept that caste system is in hinduism sadly.christainity allows alcohol in hinduism there is the concept of bhang which is sacred imagine a person intoxicated can commit all kinds of crime and bad things like insest etc no idea of the world so there are many things that are forbidden in islam and are allowed in different religions that justifies Islam as only the true religion.
Taliban were mixing there tribal cultures and values with islam they have some positive points like the banning of poppy cultivation etc but we all condemned when they fired from their tanks and rocketed the statues of buddha no sane person can do such a thing.they were ignorant in many ways
About this hadith
Seek knowledge even in China
obviously with religion other subjects like maths physics etc
Seek knowledge from crib to grave
On judgement day, the ink of scientists is valued by God higher than the blood of martyrs
it is mentioned in quran and hadith many times to seek knowledge
A muslim can even learn from a hindu christain of jew about science etc but not religion they can learn it from us
Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
Salam & Namaskar,
Mr.Syed - I want to correct some of inaccuracies in the above. Dr.Kalam is not a dummy president - rather he was a significant leader in India's key scientific programs and was duly appointed President per India's constitution. He is not however the first Muslim - Dr.Zakir Hussein was another very well respected gentleman. Millions of Muslims live in peaceful harmony in tens of thousands of towns and villages.
I am glad to note that you believe in science and knowledge. Seeking knowledge is what Vedas and Hinduism are all about also.