Re: Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
Thanks for correction. Will be careful next time.
I do want to beleive you, though I have come across entirely different statistics. And your family must be very huge if your post is not in an advertisement format. I expect, no offence!
given are entirely opposite comments from another Muslim…
Re: Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
No one is asking if Sayyids are a cast.
The question is if Muslims discriminate each other on the basis of origin or not???
Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
I have given the reference of our Holy prophets last sermon so there is no descrimination in islam.
On the question of muslims descriminating each other on the basis of origin to be honest they do but please you dont link this to islam because there is nothing like that in Islam.Culture is something that becomes more dominant than religion since muslims are converted from othr religions they still have these influences like marrying with a person to their caste only
Muslims in the subcontinent have hindu influences just like the hindus who lived with othercultures started borrowing from other religions as well like eating all kinds of food when in the past they used to be strict vegetarians
borrowing things from other cultures can be good as well as bad just like hindus started eating non veg food so it is good for them and muslims who dont marry outside their caste is not the right way and is a hindu tradition so they followed the wrong thing even after converting to Islam.
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a very lame effort of trying to prove hinduism like caste system in Islam....
u know its not existent in Islam so why push on with baseless comments????
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Casteism in India is a social construct; not a religious one. The origins are similar to the 'trade guilds' in medevial Europe
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I repeat that I donot ask what Islam says and I donot ask for excuses.
I want to know the truth if discrimination exists among Muslims on the basis of origin and their social status???
I am not interested in theory…tell me the result in practical.
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muslims think they are better than kaffirs and white man thinks he is superior to blacks. There is caste system all over world.
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^
another misunderstanding of what caste system really is....
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for muslim idolworshippers worse than dalits ?
Re: Are there no “castelike” divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:“High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
see there are two issues here. the issue is just not whether or not Muslims discriminate or keep track of lineage, because they do, but it is whether or not these castes are in any way similar to those found in India. see the original question explicitly talked about exploitation.
While Islam does say that races/tribes are created by Allah so we may “know one another”, there is the immedate addition that the most honorable amonst all these people in all these tribes is the one who is most righteous.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/049.qmt.html
There is no denying of the existence of races, nor that of their importance as far as establishing identity is concerned. Thus defined, Islam does discriminate between people based on birth, but only as far as its clear that no class is better than another.
To make the point clearer.. while we do discriminate based on birth, that discrimination is the same as a jeweller would discriminate and label equally valuable gems, that is the religious concept at least. By and large, owing to the emphasis of Islam on equality amongst peoples, that has ensured that in Pakistan, the race discrimination serves mainly as a means to establish identity (and perpetuate it, through marriage within ethnicity) but generally not exploitation.
Nobody asks you your family/tribal name when you’re filling an employment form. Nobody asks about what the caste of a cook is.
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slavery mentioned in quran since quran is not for specific period .
it did not say slavery shoul be outlawd in 21 st century. but muslim countires
outlawed it recently.
Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
topic of slavery is not a caste based discussion, since as dope pointed out slaves were most often POWs those days and werent restricted to a particular race, and that is what the Quranic verses address too.
if you wish to talk about that, open a seperate thread, or bring up the numerous ones opened in the past about it.
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a slave is not considered sub-human....
Islam says u have to feed him/her the same food u eat and give him/her the same clothes u wear....
how is that in any way similar to hindu caste system where some castes r considered untouchables????
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While nobody can ever defend untouchability or casteism, a little perspective also helps.
If you come over to my house, and I offer you mutton, would you accept it or would you be put off because it is not 'halal'?
You could argue that I am not muslim and all the 'universality' thingies don't work in this case. The origins of not eating food cooked by a different caste probably revolves around this.
One way of looking at hinduism is to see it as a religion of 900 million people divided by castes. Another way to look at is xxx number of groups unified by a lot of commonalities with regard to religion.
As stated earlier, casteism is not a religious construct but a social one, like trade guilds or the Arabic tribes.
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meat which is not halaal (even if slaughtered by a mullah without proper methods) will still not be eaten by muslims....
and halaal meat offered by even a hindu wud be most gladly accepted by anyone....
bad example for caste system....
Re: Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam? [SPLIT FROM:"High caste" Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits]
armugal.....the question is 'Are there no "castelike" divisions in Islam?' and not 'Are there no Cast systems in Islam?'
So we are talking of 'Cast like system'....re Sayyid or sheikh' superiority over others, especially when the reject making marriage relations with Muslim converts of lower origin in Indian sub continent.
What do you mean by a a slave' respect.....when a Muslim can get himself satisfied with his Laundi, the maid slave.....is he bound to get her consent first for making intimate relations????
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Quran also tells you how to divorce your spouse. But majority of muslims in the 21st century have flagrantly flouted the law and have decided to stay married.
The gall, the chutzpah!!!
Your credibility just tanked a few points.
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ofcourse he is to have her consent…
otherwise it wud be rape…
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I have already posted on this one in detail.I have given you the example of my family that we have marriages with syeds and with other castes as well.This is a fact that those in India who converted to islam belonged to all castes of the hindus but a sizeable number of untouchables also converted to islam.Muslims have the priority of religion that is islam after that economic reasons especially for a male that he could provide for his wife and then family and stuff.I know some castes consider themselves higher than others just as i have said it is becausethat in the indian sub continent there is hindu influence over the muslims and as everytone said that it is NOT ALLOWED IN ISLAM
Islam allows intimate relations between husband and wife after marriage.
I think you have got enough anwers on that one i dont know what you want to get out of this since there is no caste system in islam and some muslims are ignorant that they dont follow their life according to quran and sunnah.So whats your point??
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Would like read the actual text..hadit etc. And what if the ‘laundi’ the maid-servant refuses to offer herself to her master?
So how many Muslims are ignorant, number is large or small…is important.
Do Muslims of Arabia (not only of Indian sub continent) practice discrimination.
Why you do not answer the same for Hindu religion…We do not have one ready made text book. From the period unknown Hindus (or the inhabitants of Indian sub continent) have gone thru many stages of life.
If you find some religious texts binding them to a Cast system…you can find entirely oppsite texts in favor of a free and equal sosciety.
Today many people of Low cast origin have reached the top official and political posts in India…This is not important.
The important thing is that you will not find any article or demonstration against these aoppointments. (Sometimes people make objections, but instances are very minor.)
I hope, you get my point.