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^^ Military people can coin things better then u civilian lot…
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nice post underthecross!
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There is a slight technicality that we should remember in this slogan…The military is not calling all civilians as “bayghaiyrat”, rather people who hate the defenders of the motherland as “bayghairats”.
Traitors like “Mir Sadiq” and “Mir Jaffar” are in every nation, and are born in every era of history, and we have our fair share too.
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nice post underthecross!
Thanks , we deserved it.:)
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Sorry Just a little point to remember here , my fellow Pakistani citizens! This group of Anti-Pakistan, and Anti-Pakistan Military people, the “bayghairats” tried to malign the whole military(whether generals or majors) But the military in their slogan tried to only target the “bayghairats
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UTC,
"Traitors like “Mir Sadiq” and “Mir Jaffar” are in every nation, and are born in every era of history, and we have our fair share too."
Yeah right like general Niazi who along with 95000 surrendered to Indian general Manik Shah, breaking the major portion of Quaid's Pakistan.
FARID
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There is a world of difference between the jawans and the generals and other staff level officers who do nothing but sit in a chair and push papers around. Has anybody noticed how otu of shape a lot of our generals look?
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UTC,
"Traitors like “Mir Sadiq” and “Mir Jaffar” are in every nation, and are born in every era of history, and we have our fair share too."
Yeah right like general Niazi who along with 95000 surrendered to Indian general Manik Shah, breaking the major portion of Quaid's Pakistan.
FARID
So true. No need to belittle army but no need for army to jump into government. Give civilians respect to earn some in return.
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Some more details by a former senator.
The armed forces and the corporate sector
By Farhatullah Babar
If the prime minister’s finance adviser thought that by living in denial he could allay the widespread concerns about the army’s growing involvement in the corporate sector he was gravely mistaken. In saying this, I am referring to a report in your newspaper titled ‘Salman denies army role in corporate sector’, and published on April 28.
If he did not know it, here is a partial list of the military’s corporate enterprises as recently placed before the Parliament in reply to a question besides the several dozen similar enterprises run by Shaheen Foundation and Bahria Foundation of the Air Force and the Navy respectively.
Fauji Foundation : Fauji Sugar Mills, (more than one), Fauji Cereal, Fauji Corn Complex, FONGAS (Natural gas supply company), Fauji Poly Propylene Products, Fauji Fertilizer Company (FFC), Fauji Jordan Company, Fauji Cement, Fauji Oil Terminal Company Project (FOTCO), Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Limited.
Army Welfare Trust: Askari Stud Farms, Askari Farms, Askari Welfare Rice Mill, Askari Welfare Sugar Mill, Askari Fish Farm, Askari Cement (more than one plant), Askari Welfare Pharmaceutical Project, Magnesite Refineries Limited, Army Welfare Shoe Project, Army Welfare Woollen Mill, Army Welfare Hosiery Unit, Travel Agencies, AWT Commercial Plazas, Army Welfare Shops, Army Welfare Commercial Project, Askari Commercial Bank, Askari Leasing Limited, Askari General Insurance Company, Askari Welfare Saving Scheme, Askari Associate Limited, Askari Information Service, Askari Guards Limited, Askari Power Limited, Askari Commercial Enterprises, Askari Aviation, Askari Housing Schemes (at several locations)
The adviser claimed that retired military officers were involved in private businesses and that too for welfare purposes but is the Fauji Foundation really a private concern like any other.
Under its Scheme of Administration the Fauji Foundation is allowed “to receive from government or other bodies or person any contribution to the Foundation”. Which other private enterprise gets contributions from the government also?
The Fauji Foundation is administered by a committee whose chairman is the defense secretary and its members include four principal staff officers of the GHQ and two senior officers of the Pakistan Navy and the Air Force, all paid out of the public funds. A three star serving general was appointed in 2002 as its chief. What a fine example of a private enterprise run by serving military officers and defense secretary.
During question hour in the Senate last year it transpired that the finance ministry accepted loan liabilities of 9 billion rupees of the Foundation. Which other private concern had been provided such a preferential treatment?
Worse still, after being declared ‘private’ they are declared as unaccountable too. In reply to a question in the National Assembly in 2005 it transpired that the Khoski Sugar Mills belonging to the Foundation had been sold at 300 million to an entity that had not even participated in the bidding process. The highest bid of 387 million was ignored. When the Senate Defence Committee asked the head of the Fauji Foundation, himself a former chairman of NAB, to appear before it he refused and chose to refute the allegations through newspaper ads. We were told to shut up.
If the FF and AWT are claimed to be private entities what are other entities like the Frontier Works Organization (FWO) and the NLC doing in the private commercial sector in a playing field that too is tilted in their favour? According to information placed before the Senate on December 30, 2005 the National Highway Authority (NHA) alone awarded twelve contracts costing over 18 billion to the FWO without bids between 2001 and 2005.
Further, not only the contract of collecting toll tax on toll plazas have been given to FWO and NLC without bids but contracts already given to private parties were cancelled and given to it according to information placed before the Senate.
The military’s growing interests in corporate businesses and land has now begun to attract national and international attention and criticism but we are living in self-denial.
That was why the former British High Commissioner in Pakistan Mark Lyall Grant publicly stated about two years ago in Islamabad that the military’s corporate business interests had increased manifold. He also said that it was hampering poverty reduction efforts and effectiveness of the bureaucracy and judiciary in the country. An un-named senior official of the Foreign Office promptly announced that a demarche had been served on the high commissioner for his critical remarks as ‘unwarranted and inaccurate besides being an infringement of diplomatic norms’. But that did not change the reality.
Are the defence housing authorities also really private bodies competing with other private entities in a level playing filed? Is there any other private housing society that is headed by a serving corps commander and whose executive functionaries such as the Administrator are serving senior army officers drawing salary from public exchequer? Is there any other private housing authority that can get land at a price as the DHA Karachi got sometime back and against which the provincial government even moved the court?
During question hour in Parliament it has transpired that military officers get one after 15 years of service, a second one after 25, a third one after 28 years and a fourth one after 33 years of service each worth more than 15 million rupees in the open market. To call it a welfare activity is stretching the meaning of the word a bit too far.
The un-level playing field to the military’s industrial and commercial enterprises, the dispossession of tenants from farmlands in Okara belonging to the Punjab government, the acquisition of additional 870 acres of prime land in sector E-10 at dirt cheap price of Rs 200 per acre for the new GHQ (in addition to the 1470 acres already earmarked), the setting up of strings of defense housing authorities, first in Karachi and Lahore and lately in Islamabad, and converting state lands meant specifically for defense purposes into golf courses and housing colonies as disclosed in the Parliament are clear manifestations of military’s growing corporate and real estate business. The issue will not disappear merely be denying it.
Come on Mr Adviser! Instead of living in a state of denial let us address the issue and do something about it.
The writer is a former PPP senator and a member of the Senate’s human rights committee. Email: [email protected]
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Put Farhatullah Babar solitary confinement like Javed Hashmi.
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Put Farhatullah Babar solitary confinement like Javed Hashmi.
Exactly the type of thinking that has turned so many in Pakistan,if not the majority, against the Army we supported 100%
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Excellent post.
Army makes mistakes, but there loyalty to Pakistan cannot be questuioned by a bunch of hairy faced Arab jockeys.
Yes, Army makes mistakes; as by mistake their Generals and Officers drink alcohol and sleep with prostitutes, by mistake they raped Bengali Muslim Girls in East Pakistan and by mistake they lost the war by India, by mistake they licked their own Assez when India captured their 98000 Valiant Guerillas, by mistake they lost Siachin, by mistake they couldn't get an inch of land from India and even the present Azaad Kashmir exists because of the Jihad of Tribal Mujahideen of Northern Areas whom this Coward Army is killing to make dollars from their father Bush.
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this Coward Army is killing to make dollars from their father Bush.
I wont call you BA rather BG, I think thats more appropriate, That is why the Pakistani army personnel are freezing their A$$’s in Siachin to protect BG’s like you, that’s why the Pakistan army helped beyond the call of Duty in the earthquake stricken areas....
Listening to you lot, the BG’s I mean, I have really started to think that my colleagues should just give up on the dream of becoming a “shaheed”(i.e if the majority thinks the same way you BG’s think)
Speaking for myself, To hell will you lot, May you people suffer worse than what Iraqi’s are going through….:)
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There is a world of difference between the jawans and the generals and other staff level officers who do nothing but sit in a chair and push papers around. Has anybody noticed how otu of shape a lot of our generals look?
Duh, Thats because generals are OLD, and they get more into management and decision making, they obviously cant go for wars or run 5 miles! Aqal sey kaam liya karo kabhi yara. Besides, have you ever paid attention to how smart your Altaf Bhai is?
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Compare our generals to American senior generals. Many of them still look like they are in fighting shape and don't have huge stomaches. There should be some mandatory physical fitness for every one in the army. Too much halwa and biryani is making our generals slower and dumber by the day.
And Altaf is not in the army. Just give up on your obsession with him.
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How many generals have you seen anyways? I went to E&ME and though we didnt have any generals, the brigs there could put the GCs to shame when it came to shooting! I bet they can shoot you right in the buns from a mile away! Also, I personally know 3-4 generals who are in good shape and they make Altaf look like a kalla katta! lol
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spock bhaijan, defending the generals will lead u into a narrow street. Tread wisely :p
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Speaking for myself, To hell will you lot, May you people suffer worse than what Iraqi’s are going through….:)
Marvellous to have that as an army motto. Now civilians can sleep easy at night.