Pakistani Punjabis are the same thing as Sikh Punjabis and Punjabis are more closley related to Sindhis than Pashtuns are.
Even Gujaratis and South Indian Brahmins claim Aryan descent but that's bull**** because they all mixed with Dravidians, nobody in South Asia is pure Aryan anymore you idiot, if you put blue contacts on and dyed ur hair and skin you will not look Aryan because you wil have different nose, forehead, cheeksbones and jaw.
Punjabis are much more Dravidianised than Pathans, just look around Lahore and Peshawar.
Most Punjabis I know are as dark as dark can be, one of you mutates light and you all start thinking you're Iranian.
Punjabis from both sides are probably a bit less darker than other Desis but they are a lot darker than Pathans.
also one bakistani can climb mt. everest in two leaps, dodge bullets, and live on soda water for 10 months. uth jao mamoo, subah ho gayee. time to milk em buffalos yo.
Most Bollywood stars are either partially or fully of non-Indian descent.
I have seen a few Indians with light skin and green eyes, some were even Bengali and South Indian but they are a very very very small minority.
South Indians are usually the darkest and North Indians and Pakistanis a little less, amongst them Punjabis from both sides are the fairest even though some are just as dark but they are all darker than people from Kashmir, Northern Areas and Pashtuns.
Whilst this is true, regards Bollywood, many of the actors and actresses wear coloured contact lenses, and most look nothing like North Indians they are supposed to portray (or South Indians).
However, if you have information on the peopling or anthropology of India (for example GraziloIndide people etc), then do share it..
Your question still does not make any sense.
Bollywood is about films... fantasy, stories, visuals etc. It is not a documentory. Everyone except you perhaps understands that.
Okay even if Indians are dark as coal and have tar black eyes, how does that make anyone else superior to them? I am blacker and uglier and stockier than you. SO WHAT? NOW WHAT?
Your question has a badly disguised undercurrent of rasicm in it. Most scholarly publications would first take umbrage to that before they looked at any theory you propounded.
So do not take this anthropology thing and bollywood too far. It will not behoove you to do so.
Bollywood supposedly portrays real life history sometimes, and sometimes fictional stories of India like Mughal Azem. They might not create documentaries, but if you look at the Chinese film industry, the people at least look Chinese.
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Okay even if Indians are dark as coal and have tar black eyes, how does that make anyone else superior to them? I am blacker and uglier and stockier than you. SO WHAT? NOW WHAT?
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Is this not an assumption on your behalf, that blacker is inferior to white, and that everyone else believes what you believe? This is a typical inferiority complex people like you have.
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Your question has a badly disguised undercurrent of rasicm in it. Most scholarly publications would first take umbrage to that before they looked at any theory you propounded.
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I didnt ask any question, I said Bollywood actors and actresses look nothing like Indians, so it brought forward the interest in Indian anthropology. Stop being so paranoid, I bet you accuse shadows of being racist because they're trying to make you look darker, don't you?
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So do not take this anthropology thing and bollywood too far. It will not behoove you to do so.
Capiche?
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But it's a matter of interest. I have even read some Indians who believe they're 72% Aryan :DAnyone can clearly see that the upper castes have a slight degree of lighter skin than the lower castes, but these form 4% of the Indian population, and also most of these upper caste "Aryans" are as black as Africans. There's actually a degree of curiosity because some Greek guy who went to India was telling me that he'd seen all the posters from Bollywood to travel brochures, expecting brown people from Delhi to Calcutta, and just saw a load of black people living in squalor.
haha.. man, you are some piece of work. almost any foreigner cant tell pakistanis apart from indians. and here you are hell bent upon proving indians are africans, while arguing pakistanis are white.
I disagree with your analysis queer. I would agree the native Sindhis cannot be told apart from Rajasthani/upper caste Punjabi Indians due to the latitudunal similarity with Indian Rajasthan and Punjab. However, for the Northern part of Kashmir, North-western part of Punjab perhaps, and the Western half of Pakistan including Balochistan you can definitely tell these people apart from Indians.
Perhaps what you are thinking of those that migrated to the West, who to an extent I agree with you, were mainly Punjabis from Pakistani Punjab and also Karachites out of which many will be either Sindhis or Muhajirs. These people would be of the same appearance to a degree as the upper castes of Indian Punjab and the Sikhs who migrated over. However these upper caste Punjabis and Rajasthanis are not really a very good portrayal of India as a whole or even the Northern part, since they are the lightest 1% of India. The majority f India, the darker people are hidden away from foreign view.
I dont believe Indians are totally Africans and I dont believe Pakistanis are white. There’s quite a few illegal immigrants into Pakistan from Bangladesh and quite a few Muhajirs. The Native Sindhis look like Indians, mainly Kshatriya Rajasthanis, and the Pakistani Punjabis would be a shade or two lighter than the upper caste Indian Punjabis (who would be the lightest in India). A big proportion of Pakistan is in fact white as you move into the rural frontier region.
haha.. tell me, how many "rajasthanis" do you know? sindhis dont look rajasthani, they look VERY gujju. their language sounds VERY gujju too.
most of the pakistanis i have come across are from karachi or lahore. karachi walay are mostly migrants from whats now india. lahore is like a few miles away from india with no geographical divide, just a 60 yr old frontier. they all look very indian.
balochis, kalash, brahui, and other esoteric populations may not look like indians. then again, they dont look like most urban pakistanis. sorry dude.
Their language has nothing to do with the way they look. The Brahui of Pakistan speak some Dravidian sounding language, but they look anything but South Indian or the other predominantly Dravidian speaking areas.
It does not matter how many Rajasthanis or people one knows, these are 1 or two out of a population, you have to see what the average street person looks like, and combine it with the logical choice determined by regional geography. If you look at the location of Sindh, it is above Gujerat, and at the same level of central Rajasthan, so this points to the people being of similar colour. However, the genetic influence over the centuries of invaders into the subcontinent from Alexander to the Scythians have created a genetic difference between even Sindh and Rajasthan so that I would place perhaps even Sindh colouration closer to Indian Punjab. Pakistani Punjab would be a shade lighter than Indian Punjab I would think looking at the geography and also the history of the region.
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most of the pakistanis i have come across are from karachi or lahore. karachi walay are mostly migrants from whats now india. lahore is like a few miles away from india with no geographical divide, just a 60 yr old frontier. they all look very indian.
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Indians that you see in the West tend to be upper caste Indians not really forming a very good portrayal of India. They're the lightest there is from there, and the Lahoris will not be far off this colouration (upper caste Northern Punjabi Indians). The Lahoris again will have a lot of immigrants from India, and Karachi is an Indian migrant city. If you look at Pakistani Punjabis from country areas they tend to be a bit lighter than the Indian upper caste Punjabis, though not that much different in appearance.
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balochis, kalash, brahui, and other esoteric populations may not look like indians. then again, they dont look like most urban pakistanis. sorry dude.
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No need to apologize, I'm not trying to prove something here. Balochis, Kalash, Brahui, Pathans do not look like Urban Karachites (which isnt a good portrayal of native Pakistani people), but in my opinion they do look Pakistani as they are the native people of the region.
and then you say indians are the ones who make pathetic claims of being aryans and what not.
you make it sound like drawing a line to separate populations 60 yrs ago will lead to delineated skin color and racial differentiation. the only geographical divide in the said area which could have separated populations is the indus river. people to the east of it look very indian. if you cant accept this, you are in denial.
I agree that the only native Pakistanis that look perhaps like upper caste Indians are native Punjabis East of the Indus, and native Sindhis (again who are East of the Indus). However I would still classify them as perhaps slightly more caucasoid than the upper caste Indians due to historical influences.
I would say the Baloch, Brahuis, Kalash, Kafiristanis, Kashmiris, Pathans, and perhaps North western Punjabis dont look like upper caste Indians, which is a sizeable part of Pakistan!
I would also say that upper caste Indians (perhaps 4% of the Indian population) do not look like the majority of Indians who clearly appear to be more Dravid. Also within this 4% there’s quite a bit of mixing.
Is it ever worth it to argue or debate with someone who;s already decided they won't listen, have got set ideas in their head and there are minimalistic chances of them wishing to evolve in their way of thinking. having been on gupshup for some time now, ive come across so many posters claiming pakistanis are caucasian. by now, it just makes for a good laugh, soon not even that - like those who've got a few years of gupshup-ing behind them may feel.
PS. Most Pakistanis are caucasian except the Makrani and Hazara (look up the definition of caucasian), but caucasian whites are restricted to the Gilgit/Western parts/Northwestern Punjab perhaps/bits of Kashmir (minus migration).
well my family is punjabi, malik awans actually, my grandfather had blue eyes..as a result, a few of my pohpohs and their kids have really light eyes (some green and some hazel)....its just my luck that i have such dark eyes...
What is with the fair skinned obsession with the Pakistanis ?
The follwing points seems to be a common thread -
1] We are fairer than the Indians
2] We speak better English than the Indians
3] 1 Pakistani = 10 Indians
4] We are taller than the Indians
5] We are Arabs
6] We are Persians
7] We are not Indians
I can quote a few more, but I shall digress.
I wonder why do the fairer Pakistanis have to go through a complete strip search in the airports when the land in US ??
Awans could be just derived off Pathans, a lot live in the NWFP anyway in Mianwali. Perhaps some mixing. Awans believe their descended from Arabs though from what I know..
The follwing points seems to be a common thread -
1] We are fairer than the Indians
2] We speak better English than the Indians
3] 1 Pakistani = 10 Indians
4] We are taller than the Indians
5] We are Arabs
6] We are Persians
7] We are not Indians
I can quote a few more, but I shall digress.
I wonder why do the fairer Pakistanis have to go through a complete strip search in the airports when the land in US ??
Because we're more attractive than the rest?
Edit : On a more serious note, try and get a life November_Rain..You and other Indians seem to have this inferiority complex where you see racism whenever anthropology or peopling is discussed..For the record, some Pakistanis are most definitely of Indian descent..just not me :D
Your curiosity about anthropolgy in general and india's in particular is interesting, however most people reading the thread get it that this interest is not one of a scholarly nature, also that the underlying point your trying to make is that pakistanis are a lighter skinned bunch. no, i dun mean to say that your suggesting they're superior cos of that. I do not wish nor care to know what your trying to imply, cos whatever makes you happy, must you believe.
PS. India's a country where people from different backgrounds, castes, and physical charachteristics co-exist. they've been doing so since decades, there has been intermingling since before and after '47. today, you will find a fair skinned, light eyed south indian, maharashtrian, gujarati, bengali, north indian brahmin etc. quite as easily as the many darker skinned ones. as for your bollywood example, well aishwariya rai does not wear contacts, it's true. or if your convinced she does, we're all happy for you if it makes you glad.
