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So does that give Hindus the right to destroy Babri Masjid, by that logic?
Re: Another Taliban attack on Buddha statues in Pakistan
So does that give Hindus the right to destroy Babri Masjid, by that logic?
Are you saying that mullah supporters are hypocrites? Shock! /sarcasm
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What was symbolic about Hz. Ibrahim :as:'s destroying the statues?
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So why didn't the Taliban spend the money on feeding their children instead of buying dynamite to blow up the statues?
Your argument holds no water.
Your argument holds a lot of logic...Just like a sieve holds water...
6 sticks of dynamite surely can feed a lot of families for years...
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those giving the examples of the Prophet and Hazrat Ibrahim forget that they are two prophets out of 124,000. were all Prophets breaking statues/idols? Hazrat Yousuf is believed to have ruled over Egypt around 900BC, the Sphinx was constructed around 2600BC, can you explain why he failed to live upto Islamic requirements in a country he had total rule over?
As I said in the other thread, there are actions designated for specific Prophets, and their are actions that their followers are supposed to take. Is there any proof that the followers of Hazrat Ibrahim went around breaking idols? If it is sufficient that Hazrat Ibrahim did it, then it should be an obligation for you to kill children who you believed would grow up to be evil, you should view your wife-allowance 9 instead of 4, you should find it a plausible course of action to kill family members after strange dreams.
As Kehkeshan mentions Kaaba is not like any other place in the world, it is the house of Allah and was built for Him by Hazrat Ibrahim. and that is specifically the place where the Prophet went and broke idols. NO other place is recorded where the Prophet broke idols. Can you tell me whether you mean to say there were no other idols in Mecca or Medina?
No Sahabi is recorded in sahih ahadis as actually having broken idols, which flies in the face of your ONE hadis with direct instructions to an emissary by Hazrat Ali. If the instructions were so broad-based and universal, why isnt the breaking of idols everywhere recorded.
And as MS says, why werent the HUGE, ICONIC, UNMISSABLE statues such as the sphinx, and many, many other egyptian/iraqi/syrian statues destroyed DURING the time of the Caliphs? Give me ONE instance of the supposed carte-blanche given to Muslims to destroy all statues, actually being carried out outside of Kaaba.
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The reason could be just about anything. Destroying a particular statue depends on two factors. Actually seeing it, and then secondly, having the ability to destroy it.
The case with the sphinx, it was probably covered with sand, and hence not visible to earlier muslims. What we do know is muslims tried to get rid of many of the Pharonic structures in egypt. Mamoon tried destroying the pyramids, but their enormous size prevented him from doing so.
The case with the Bamiyan, is very clear. Their sheer size would have made it absolutely impossible for the earlier muslims to do anything but minor harm to them.
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WRONG! The statues in the kabaah were no longer considered holy, as the entire Makkah had converted to Islam, and everyone was now a Sahaabi, save a couple here and there...who fled the peninsula, fearing for their lives. So, why did the Prophet order the destruction of all the statues in the Kabaah? Surely, Al Laat, Al Uzza, Manaat and Hubal were a legacy for the Arabs and the Qureish in particular? The Prophet could have had them transferred to some other place, if the sanctity of the Kabaah was the issue. No, he ordered for their destruction and they were crumbled to peices.
People yelling historical treasure...since when have pagan statues become part of our history? We may have been whatever we were a few hundred years ago, but our history starts with Islam.
Yara you never fail to amuse and amaze me.
Kaba when constructed was free from these statues. Pagans placed them later on. So Prophet rightly demolished them.
In the case of Bhudda temple and stat., these were built by non-muslims (and not by muslims of previous eras), so we should not destroy them. Simple as that.
Exactly.
those giving the examples of the Prophet and Hazrat Ibrahim forget that they are two prophets out of 124,000. were all Prophets breaking statues/idols? Hazrat Yousuf is believed to have ruled over Egypt around 900BC, the Sphinx was constructed around 2600BC, can you explain why he failed to live upto Islamic requirements in a country he had total rule over?
As I said in the other thread, there are actions designated for specific Prophets, and their are actions that their followers are supposed to take. Is there any proof that the followers of Hazrat Ibrahim went around breaking idols? If it is sufficient that Hazrat Ibrahim did it, then it should be an obligation for you to kill children who you believed would grow up to be evil, you should view your wife-allowance 9 instead of 4, you should find it a plausible course of action to kill family members after strange dreams.
As Kehkeshan mentions Kaaba is not like any other place in the world, it is the house of Allah and was built for Him by Hazrat Ibrahim. and that is specifically the place where the Prophet went and broke idols. NO other place is recorded where the Prophet broke idols. Can you tell me whether you mean to say there were no other idols in Mecca or Medina?
No Sahabi is recorded in sahih ahadis as actually having broken idols, which flies in the face of your ONE hadis with direct instructions to an emissary by Hazrat Ali. If the instructions were so broad-based and universal, why isnt the breaking of idols everywhere recorded.
And as MS says, why werent the HUGE, ICONIC, UNMISSABLE statues such as the sphinx, and many, many other egyptian/iraqi/syrian statues destroyed DURING the time of the Caliphs? Give me ONE instance of the supposed carte-blanche given to Muslims to destroy all statues, actually being carried out outside of Kaaba.
Good logical post.
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Obviously the same religous degenerate nut jobs are supporting the destruction of Pakistans historical heritage...
With idiots like this representing Islam, I would recomend that all non Muslims should knock down any and all Muslims shrines and Mosques, as those are just as worthless to them as Buddah statues are to these extremists... Its only fair!
On a side note, it would be a great tragedy in the history of the country if these statues are allowed to be destroyed and not protected... If the govt thought about anything besides saving its own arse, perhaps the could consider increasing security...
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I think it has to do more with the geo-political situation of Swat than religion. The attack was likely against an "establishment’s asset" on the pattern of Bamiyan.
Bamiyan was also to stoke and incite world's attention rather than denunciation of Buddhism itself. It was remarkably hypocritical of the world to shed tears over the carvings, whilst hundreds and thousands of people were suffering due to drought and crippling sanctions. Mind you, this was before 9/11 when Taliban were in control and Afghanistan rarely made into the world headlines.
Justification based on religion is nonsensical here from any angle; it's not an actual motive.
The Taliban should have thought about the crippling sanctions and their peoples suffering before allowing murderers like the Al Qaeda and Osama setup tents within their borders...
And since when did the Taliban care about the suffering people? Its well documented the Human rights violations that occured under them... They werent exactly generous towards the Hazara...
If you want to look at this from a religous stand point, then God himself must have imposed those sanction and eventually destroyed the Taliban to punish them for their evil.. The destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas was an extension of that evil.
So if anyone is being hypocritical, its those who shed their crocadile tears for the suffering of innocents all while supporting the very group that inflicts that suffering, your beloved Taliban...
Im betting that the statues will be rebuilt eventually one way or the other... The Taliban will be forgotten like the toilet turds they are... But the Bamiyan buddhas will be built again.
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Great argument as always Qureshi sahib.
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Your argument holds a lot of logic...Just like a sieve holds water...
6 sticks of dynamite surely can feed a lot of families for years...
And I'm sure all the money that the Taliban and al-Qaeda contributed towards their terrorist plots would have helped fed a lot of Afghans.
Face it you dolt, the Taliban weren't angels.
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so, basically you are implying that infact the buddhas were destroyed by God through the Talibans - which I am sure all of us can agree is true, and so is the one that got dynamite in Swat, then what’s all the fuss about 
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I’m bewildered by the fact that we’re still debating this. 
Only with muslims you have these debates. The entire world thinks these acts are wrong, and here we have some mard hazraat insisting these people are noble. I mean really. Look how they did the bombing - they did it undercover so they wouldn’t be caught. Obviously, they knew they were doing illegal activities, and that’s enough to condemn their acts.
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You're ignoring all the other instances where they did take action against idols, and destroyed them!
Not all statues are the same, apparently.
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The reason, why the Sahabas didnt knock down the Sphinx could be just about anything and seriously speaking it doesn't even matter, because the Hadith is authentic and as clear as it can get on this issue, and it makes no distinction between idols that presently being worshipped or not worshipped.
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No, they were uncovered. May well be it was too difficult a task. The local Christans at the time were rather iconoclastic too, from what I understand. They probably give it a try too...
Perhaps because they were just there...in the background, out of the way. None of the inhabitants cared for them, so why bother?
And few Muslim rulerss actually bothered with them.
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Normal people: building schools, hospitals, houses etc.
Taliban: destroying old statues, CD shops, barber shops etc.
How can anyone in their right mind even think of supporting talib mentality and think it would be good for pakistan and muslims?
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No, im implying that god destroyed the Taliban to liberate Islam and the world from their evil…
Dont know how you could miss that point… Maybe youR just a little slow?
God is just, and people like the Taliban always get what they deserve.. Reap what you sow.
As for the Buddah statues, I dont expect somone as brainwashed and insenstaitve as you to understand the value of Art… But thats why for every one of you, god created 20 people to counter your statemnts, there are sane people in the world, to stop people like you from spreading this BS.
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Normal people: building schools, hospitals, houses etc. Taliban: destroying old statues, CD shops, barber shops etc.
How can anyone in their right mind even think of supporting talib mentality and think it would be good for pakistan and muslims?
They are brainwashed, and/or Braindead... I think its a little of both.
Simply been fed all kinds of lies about Islam, and are never encouraged to think independantly, hence they just regurgitate whatever garbage was pumped into their brains...
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Its just sad that there are such evil and stupid people in this world that they would actually try to defend these A holes…
Such people should really be dealt with… No one should be allowed to portray Islam in such a negative and intolerant manner.
Thats why we need to debate, to convince these people of how wrong they are, or to expose these people for the hypocrites they are!
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Thats why we need to debate, to convince these people of how wrong they are, or to expose these people for the hypocrites they are!
In real life, the most vocal and vociferous of name callers and debaters have been those who hardly follow Islam themselves...
Actors, drinkers, musicians, fornicators e.t.c. are all very vocal about holding dialogue and portraying Islam as they would like Islam to be seen, i.e. through a PR lens...
By following Islam, I mean those who don't pray even once a day let alone five times...
Sitting here, I can't profess to know who here prays and who doesn't...But I do know that in Islam, the first and foremost thing is prayers...So a person who doesn't follow Islam yet is vocal about it is like a jahil chamaar holding a seminar on how to educate the world...
Like I said, I can't profess to know your actions, you yourself know best how much of a follower you are by how regular you are in your prayers...
In my opinion, a person who doesn't pray (meaning follow Islam) has no right to speak about a religion that he himself doesn't believe in...
One should better himself first before pointing fingers at others and call other names...
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