Another Taliban attack on Buddha statues in Pakistan

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That's a weak argument at best. Really, why are you going around in circles? Just answer my question. The statues in Kaaba were considered holy, even if people did not pray to EACH one statue, they were collectively considered holy and people went to Kaaba to worship them, and bow to them, and ask them for bounty and yada yada. Currently in 2007, the statues in Pakistan are not worshipped.

The spirituality blow is weak, I mean seriously. Your already judging what my children will be like because of what I called these people? Unlike you, I don't blindly support everything these people do just because they call themselves muslim. The muslim ummah has bigger problems that need to be worked on. Blowing up statues is not going to solve any of them.

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No one has yet addressed why the Sahabah left these types of large monuments alone despite them being around at the time.

Indeed, since the Sahabah left them alone why are today's Muslim claiming to know better than them and destroying them?

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I think it has to do more with the geo-political situation of Swat than religion. The attack was likely against an "establishment’s asset" on the pattern of Bamiyan.

Bamiyan was also to stoke and incite world's attention rather than denunciation of Buddhism itself. It was remarkably hypocritical of the world to shed tears over the carvings, whilst hundreds and thousands of people were suffering due to drought and crippling sanctions. Mind you, this was before 9/11 when Taliban were in control and Afghanistan rarely made into the world headlines.

Justification based on religion is nonsensical here from any angle; it's not an actual motive.

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Does no one remember the restoration project of the Buddha statues in afghanistan? When the Taliban cried out for aid for their dying children? The money instead went to restore STONE STATUES?

You KIDDING ME?

Justice is served.

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So why didn't the Taliban spend the money on feeding their children instead of buying dynamite to blow up the statues?

Your argument holds no water.

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Yeah these clowns would be among the first to destroy the pyramids of Egypt if given the chance.

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How is that related to a historic statue in Pakistan being destroyed this week?

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The reason could be just about anything. Destroying a particular statue depends on two factors. Actually seeing it, and then secondly, having the ability to destroy it.

The case with the sphinx, it was probably covered with sand, and hence not visible to earlier muslims. What we do know is muslims tried to get rid of many of the Pharonic structures in egypt. Mamoon tried destroying the pyramids, but their enormous size prevented him from doing so.

The case with the Bamiyan, is very clear. Their sheer size would have made it absolutely impossible for the earlier muslims to do anything but minor harm to them.

From Sahih Muslim:

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*Muslim (969) narrated that Abu’l-Hayaaj al-Asadi said: ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said to me: “Shall I not send you with the same instructions as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? ‘Do not leave any image without defacing it or any built-up grave without leveling it.’” *

Muslim (832) narrated from ‘Urwah ibn ‘Abasah that he said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “With what were you sent?” He said, “I was sent to uphold the ties of kinship, to break the idols, and so that Allaah would be worshipped alone with no partner or associate.”

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WRONG! The statues in the kabaah were no longer considered holy, as the entire Makkah had converted to Islam, and everyone was now a Sahaabi, save a couple here and there...who fled the peninsula, fearing for their lives. So, why did the Prophet order the destruction of all the statues in the Kabaah? Surely, Al Laat, Al Uzza, Manaat and Hubal were a legacy for the Arabs and the Qureish in particular? The Prophet could have had them transferred to some other place, if the sanctity of the Kabaah was the issue. No, he ordered for their destruction and they were crumbled to peices.

People yelling historical treasure...since when have pagan statues become part of our history? We may have been whatever we were a few hundred years ago, but our history starts with Islam.

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So the Taliban blew up the Bamiyan buddha’s to get aid from the west? :rotfl: Is this the same west they castigated all the time, kidanpped or killed it’s citizens/aid workers and other such acts of criminality?. I suppose you are going to say the 9/11 attacks were a cry for aid for Afghanistan as well? The justifications from so-called religious people like yourself for acts of pure vandalism and bigotry is getting more pathetic all the time.

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What is this about 60 music shops being blown up? When the heck did this happen???

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Yeah, Please stay out of it if you dont know anything. Dont make futile posts without knowing what you’re talking about. Really you shouldn’t.

The aid was in question for years, and when it came, it came to restore stone statues?!

Millions of dollars for restoration compared to Dynamites which the taliban alreayd had?

C’mon people, use your brains.

Again, Justice Served. End of discussion.

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Things in the desert get buried with time, not revealed, and even that is slowly. It took from 2500BC to 1200AD for it to just be buried up to the head.

As for Khalif Al-Mamoon, he was trying to get into the inside of the pyramid, not destroy it. And at any rate, he wasn't one of the Sahabah - my concern is why the Sahabah are not recorded as taking action against these massive statues.

As for the Bamiyan bhuddas' size - they were carved into the rock by hand barely a century before Hazrat Umar (ra) conquered the region, so it's not as though there was any long-lost technology behind how to carve them. If he and the Sahaba had wanted to destroy the statue, it could have been done by hand in the same way the local people had made them by hand 3 generations earlier.

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Rasullulah destroyed the Statues in Makkah's Kaaba for many reasons.

  1. They were still being worshipped. Not EVERYONE in Makkah agreed to convert to Islam willingly. There were many who did it simply because of peer pressure and knowing that they wouldn't be able to live if they didn't.

  2. It was a symbolic end to a long struggle.

Abhay bhai, what struggle are the mullahs in NWFP undergoing at the moment? They're at the center of much of the corruption - they've had control of the province for some time, and apart from meddling in people's personal religious lives and demanding CD owners to shut their shops, what have they done in service to the people that elected them? Their standard of living is the same crap that it was before.

Therefore, this act of violence has ABSOLUTELY no effect. They haven't deterred people from worshipping Buddhism - because NO ONE worships Buddhism in NWFP!!! They didn't prevent anyone from doing any fitna or sins...because no one stood in front of that statue worshipping it!

So what did they accomplish? They helped the guy who sold them the dynamites earn some rozi for the day, that's all.

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Go back to Fobistan. The Canadians shouldn't have let backward-minded loons in their country, but I'm sure they're regretting that by now.

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Mullah's arguments have been bulldozed. Good job to every true Muslim who responded on this thread.

Hint to some people. Don't compare Kaabah and what happened there to every other place on earth.

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Exactly!

Not even the Iranian Ayatollahs destroyed Persepolis, but the Ayatollahs in Iran are like liberals compared to the illiterate mullahs that run rampant in NWFP.

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I give you a sahih hadith, and you tell me why the sahabaas didnt knock down a particular statue/idol. Is that a sufficient argument for the negation of a Shar'ee obligation.

You're ignoring all the other instances where they did take action against idols, and destroyed them!

The reason, why the Sahabas didnt knock down the Sphinx could be just about anything and seriously speaking it doesn't even matter, because the Hadith is authentic and as clear as it can get on this issue, and it makes no distinction between idols that presently being worshipped or not worshipped.

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Kaba when constructed was free from these statues. Pagans placed them later on. So Prophet rightly demolished them.

In the case of Bhudda temple and stat., these were built by non-muslims (and not by muslims of previous eras), so we should not destroy them. Simple as that.

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excellent point

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This has to be the most ridiculous post I have ever read on gupshup :omg: