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Kashmir’s Rape - The Unforgotton Valley

A study done by Medecins Sans Frontieres in mid 2005 reveals that Kashmiri women are among the worst sufferers of sexual violence in the world. Interestingly, the figure is much higher than that of Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka and Chechnya

Wailing Woes By Aaliya Anjum

Women in Kashmir suffer rape, molestation, kin’s disappearances, psychological trauma and torture, while the much-hyped slogan of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh proclaiming ‘zero tolerance’ towards human rights abuse stares him in the face!

Inspite of the fact that the violations of human rights in Kashmir are in direct disregard of the principles of international human rights and humanitarian law including the Geneva Conventions and the protocols additional thereto, no attention has been directed to address the issue at national and international levels. An appropriate response is necessitated by the fact that the violations of human rights in Kashmir’s armed conflict have had a direct bearing on its civilian population. Civilian victims, mostly women and children, often outnumber casualties among the combatants [1]. But women suffer in both differing and complex forms. They suffer directly by being subject to rape, molestation and torture and others whose relations are subject to atrocities suffer because of being related to them. It therefore becomes imperative to try and analyse the impact that the past 18 years of conflict have had on Kashmiri women. More so, because there needs to be an awareness and understanding that armed conflict and its impact affect women physically, psychologically, socially and economically [2]. The International Committee of The Red Cross (ICRC) places the impact of armed conflict on women under eight themes: Displacement, security, sexual violence, missing persons, detention, access to medicare, access to food and other assistance and protection under international humanitarian law [3].

Rape cases
A study done by Medecins Sans Frontieres in mid 2005 reveals that Kashmiri women are among the worst sufferers of sexual violence in the world. It further mentions that since the beginning of the armed struggle in Kashmir in 1989, sexual violence has been routinely perpetrated on Kashmiri women, with 11.6 per cent of respondents saying they were victims of sexual abuse. Interestingly, the figure is much higher than that of Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka and Chechnya. The state home department has no specific data in this regard for the last 17 years. This serves as a telling comment on the plight of women and on the indifferent attitude of the state towards addressing the issue. Cases of rape and molestation abound in Kashmir and many go unreported because of the fear of social stigma, and of reprisal by state agencies. And even in those cases, where the victims manage to transcend these fears and report the matter to police, they achieve little or no justice. More often, police refuses to lodge an FIR against the troops.

In Kunan Poshpora, a small village in Kashmir, the soldiers of fourth Rajputana Rifles allegedly raped about 30 women on the night of February 23, 1991, during a search operation while men were taken away from their homes and interrogated. The ages of women raped ranged from 13 to 80 years. According to newspaper reports, on June 17,1994, troops of Rashtriya Rifles accompanied by two officers Major Ramesh and Major Rajkumar entered into village Hyhama and allegedly raped and molested seven women. In another incident, troops raped a mentally ill old woman in her house in Barbarshah in Srinagar on January 5, 1991. Medical reports confirmed rape and locals lodged an FIR with the concerned police station, but the police did no investigation. She later died in 1998 while the FIR still awaits action from the state government. In another gruesome incident, an army Major in Badra, Handwara, raped Aisha, a 29-year-old woman and her 10-year-old daughter, Shabnum. These being just a few examples, incidents like these are plenty in Kashmir and ironically pass unheeded for.

Due to immunity of troops from prosecution and their own court martial proceedings, which are far from being unbiased, they are left free to do as they please. Dr Maiti, a professor of political science at Rurdwa University, West Bengal, explains, "Rape continues to be a major instrument of Indian oppression against the Kashmiri people while the majority of victims are civilians. This concept stands fortified by a report of ICRC dated March 6, 2001, where it has been mentioned that women are raped in order to humiliate, frighten and defeat the enemy ‘group’ to which they belong. Rape in a war is not merely a matter of chance; it is rather a question of power and control, which is ‘structured by male soldiers’ notions of their masculine privilege, by the strength of the military line of command and by class and ethnic inequalities among women [4].

One of the reasons given by Radhika Coomaraswamy for sexual violence in armed conflict is that violence against women may be directed towards the social group of which she is a member because ‘to rape a woman is to humiliate her community’. Complex and combined emotions of hatred, superiority, vengeance for real or imagined wrongs and national pride are engendered and deliberately manipulated in armed conflict. For the men of the community, rape encapsulates the totality of their defeat; they have failed to protect their women [5].

The Special Rapporteur appointed by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights in former Yugoslavia termed rape as not only as an instrument of war but as a method of ethnic cleansing intended to humiliate, shame, degrade and terrify the entire ethnic group [6].

The Geneva Convention related to The Protection of Civilian Persons In Times Of War, 1949 and Additional Protocols of 1977 provide that women shall especially be protected against humiliating and degrading treatment; rape, enforced prostitution or any form of indecent assault [7].
The Vienna Declaration and Programme Of Action adopted by the World Conference on Human Rights in Situations of Armed Conflict states that violations of human rights of women in situations of armed conflict are violations of the fundamental principles of international human rights and humanitarian law. Even though states are under an obligation to make grave breaches of Geneva Conventions and protocols additional thereto subject to the jurisdiction of their own courts and punishable by severe penalties. The domestic courts do not peruse the law laid down under the said convention for rape trials in conflict areas like Kashmir. However, rape is not explicitly listed as a grave breach of Geneva Convention, although acts willfully committed and causing great suffering or causing grave injury to body or health do constitute breaches.
The fact that rape has been systematically committed against Kashmiri women and that justice has not been delivered in these cases makes rape in Kashmir eligible for an appropriate legal response at the international level. The state has to be held for breach of its obligations under various relevant treaties and customary international law.
The prosecution of individuals alleged to have committed rape should be done by the international criminal tribunal on the precedent of Nuremberg as the domestic courts and military court-martials have failed to deliver justice in these matters and are motivated by a state centric approach [8]. The focus of the tribunal should be to punish the wrongdoers, not on providing compensation and support to the victim.

The International tribunals are unique in that, they can be established during the continuation of the conflict and therefore they are untainted by the notions of ‘victors justice’. Prosecutions must be brought against the alleged perpetrators and those higher up in the chain of command [9].
Rape is a grave crime as its consequences extend beyond the actual commission, often lasting for the rest of the life of a woman [10]. The social stigma associated with rape renders a raped woman unmarriageable, deprived of respect in the society and traumatised for the rest of her life. In some cases women become unacceptable even to their own families. The necessity to bring the perpetrators of rapes in Kashmir to justice can be understood from the fact that parties to conflict often rape as a tactic of war and terrorism [11].

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Half-widows of the Valley**
Enforced disappearance is one of the most harrowing consequences of the armed conflict in Kashmir. During the last 18 years of conflict, the Association Of Parents Of Disappeared Persons (APDP) [12], an organisation of the relatives of people who have disappeared after custody, claims more than 10,000 people have been subject to enforced disappearance by state agencies and were mostly picked up by the troops. Of the disappeared persons, between 2000-2005 a majority were married males. Although men have been subject to disappearance largely, but women have been adversely affected because of being related to them as daughters, mothers, sisters and wives. In the absence of any information about the whereabouts of the disappeared men, their wives have acquired the title of ’ half-widows’. These half-widows apart from other relatives of disappeared persons are left without any entitlement to land, homes, inheritance, social assistance and pensions. Most of these women also suffer from harassment by
the troops.

Fahmeeda Bano, 37, lives in a remote Kashmir village of Kupwara and 14 years back the Indian army picked up her husband. She has gone from pillar to post searching for him but to no avail. She said, “If my husband is alive I want to see him. I want authorities to tell me where he is. If he has been killed let them hand over his body to me…”

The Indian government does not provide any relief to half-widows before the expiry of seven years from the date of disappearance. And even after the completion of seven years from the date of disappearance, they get either a one-time grant ranging from US$1,000 and US$2,000 or a monthly pension of US$10 [13]. Further, a half-widow cannot remarry until the expiration of seven years from the date of disappearance of her husband whose whereabouts must not be known in these seven years. In the meantime, the right to her husband’s property are often threatened. Some widows, who intend to remarry, largely do not find men who are willing to marry them. A study titled, ‘Women And Children Under The Armed Conflict In Kashmir’ done by Prof A G Madhosh, a Kashmiri educationist and activist, reveals that the migration of widows with their children resulted in a sudden break in normal family life. Women had to assume the roles of breadwinners for their families and the future of their children became insecure.
Every month the members of APDP gather for a sit-in-protest at Central Park in Srinagar. Their continuous protests should have served as a resonating alarm for the authorities, but they seem to have turned a deaf ear to the woes of these people. Fahmeeda Bano, 37, lives in a remote Kashmir village of Kupwara and 14 years back the Indian army picked up her husband. She has gone from pillar to post searching for him but to no avail. She said, “If my husband is alive I want to see him. I want authorities to tell me where he is. If he has been killed let them hand over his body to me. [14]”

Psychological Impact
With killings, torture, rapes, molestations, disappearances and detentions becoming the order of the day in Kashmir, psychiatric disorders have seen a sharp increase post-1989. In 1989, about 1,700 patients visited the valley’s lone psychiatric hospital and by the year 2003, the number had gone up to 48,000. Before the onset of the armed struggle, certain disorders that were not known to Kashmiris started showing a significant presence amongst the civilian population. The Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PSTD), one of the psychiatric diseases, which was completely unrecognised before 1990 has witnessed a major upsurge. Major Depressive Disorder (MDO) follows this. There are other mental diseases like bipolar disorder, panic, phobia; general anxiety and sleep disorders that have also shown four-fold increase as told by Dr Arshad of the Psychiatric Diseases Hospital in Srinagar. Substance Use Disorder or drug addiction and suicidal tendencies has been another repercussion of the ongoing conflict in Kashmir. Dr Arshad further added that the patients who come to seek help are largely in the productive age group of 25-30 years [15]. Dr Mushtaq Marghoob, a leading psychiatrist of the valley states that women bear the brunt of every tragedy. They have to support the family after the death of their husbands, fathers, sons or brothers. Dr Arshad further adds that women form a major part of the patients who are suffering from PSTD (almost 50 per cent). For women whose husbands have died, psychotherapy has failed to produce desired results.

A woman from Batmaloo, Srinagar saw the body of her brother who was killed in custody by soldiers of the Indian army, the body had been split open and his heart had been taken out. The shock rendered her in a state of disturbed bereavement and PSTD ever since. According to Dr Marghoob, women have become increasingly suicidal and are resorting to sleeping pills, injections and inhalations [16]. Even though a large number of people visit the Psychiatric Diseases Hospital in Srinagar, however, this is only a tip of the iceberg as large numbers of patients visit hospitals at the district and sub-district levels.

Nearly every person, particularly women, suffer from general anxiety and the uncertainty pertaining to the security of their family members. This always keep them in a state of unrest and anxiety. Even in their houses people are harassed, beaten up or taken into custody by the troops. The fact that the situation doesn’t seem to get any better, doesn’t promise a better mental state of the civilian population, especially women, in Kashmir.

In past few years, murders, rapes, torture, custodial deaths, and enforced disappearances have witnessed an upsurge, but the response of the state in addressing these atrocities doesn’t promise hope for justice. The official figures of these atrocities are far too less than the reported ones. The factual human rights situation in Kashmir has always been rendered invisible by the national security concerns of the government and the state centric approach of the Indian media [17]. Living in this environment of hopelessness, there are people like Parveena who are still willing to give a tough fight to powers-that-be. Parveena says, “I am determined to fight till my last breath, with or without anyone’s support”. People like Parveena need to be lauded for their determination.

It is being constantly projected in the mainstream media that the situation in Kashmir has improved, but the ever-increasing rate of human rights violations in the valley tell us a different story. People continue to suffer while the much-hyped slogan of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh proclaiming ‘Zero Tolerance’ towards human rights abuse stares him hard in the face!

REFERENCES

  1. UN Fourth World Conference On Women, Beijing-China, September 1995.
  2. UN Commission on Human Rights; Sub Commission on the Promotion and Protection Of Human Rights, Fifty Fifth Session, Item 6(a) of the provisional agenda. ICRC, March 6, 2001.
  3. Christine Chinkin; Rape and Sexual Abuse of Women in International Law. European Journal of International Law.
  4. R Coomaraswamy; ‘Of Kali Born; Violence and the Law in Sri Lanka’; In M Schuler (ed), Freedom Of Violence; Women’s Strategies from Around The World.
  5. Tadeusz Mazowiecki, Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights, Report pursuant to Commission Resolution 1992/S-1/1/ 0f 14 August 1992, E/CN/4/1993/50/10 February 1993.
  6. UN Fourth World Conference On Women; Beijing-China; Strategic Objective 144©; Governments should fully respect norms of International Humanitarian Law in armed conflicts and take all measures required for the protection of women and children in particular against rape, forced prostitution and any other form of indecent assault.
  7. Strategic Objective 143©, UN 4th World Conference On Women; Beijing-China, Sept 1995: Governments should take action to investigate and punish members of the police, security and armed forces and others who perpetrate acts of violence against women, violations of humanitarian law and violations of the human rights of women in situations of armed conflict.
  8. In ’ Re Yamaa’ 327 USI, 6 Section 340 (United States Supreme Court 1946) the accused was charged that as commander of the armed forces of Japan…he unlawfully disregarded and failed to discharge his duty as commander to control the operations of the members of his command, permitting them to commit brutal atrocities. Although Yamaa was not physically present during the commission of the atrocities, he was found guilty.
  9. The Supreme Court of India has ruled in a case that rape is a graver crime than murder as murder kills a person only once, while rape kills a woman again and again.
    10.United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women; Beijing-China, September 1995; Action For Equality, Development and Peace.
    11.Parveena Ahanger is the chairperson of APDP. Her son, Javed Ahmad Ahanger (then 16), was picked up by troops on August 18, 1990. Since then she has not heard of him. She says, " We are fighting to obtain just some information of the whereabouts of our disappeared relatives. If they are alive, where are they? If they are dead, their bod ies should be handed over to us.
    12.The widows have to suffer severely due to economic constraints and despite being entitled to government ex-gratis relief; they have to pay the concerned officers to get their grant-study done by Prof A G Madhosh (Kashmiri educationist).
    13.Haroon Mirani, ‘Kashmir’s Half Widows Struggle For Fuller Life.’
    14.Asia Jeelani, Turmoil And Trauma.
    15.Ibid John T, Contemporary South East Asia.
  10. The Mask of Democracy,Repression and the ‘Rule of Law’

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They said they same of the roman and British empires, and look where they arer now. History tells us that all evil empires that thrive on exploitation of others eventually crumble. And thus ends the evil Hindu empire:)

Even your beloved Gandhi jee said that of oppresive empires that deny freedom... Look it up, assuming your hindutva text books havent omited Gandhi from the books already:D

lol, do not forget Pakistan is one of the first modern day country formed out of conversion which has taken place over hundreds of years, think of only one thing 10 generations ago you were also from the same community which today you call as hindu India.

Thats is 100% wrong.

The muslims who came here and whipped hindu @ss settled down here and ruled hindus. They converted many hindus and married them.The original ones still carried on and had children.one example is awan tribe of pakistan,they are the muslims who came from syria and settled in what is now known as punjab(on north-west side).

i was afraid, i thought you would be offended by that comment, thankfully you are not, because i was not.

exactly what i said, do you feel that people who have come are genetically better than the south Asians then and now, is in that a discrimination of Pakistan's society itself, can you see Syria in international development maps today,

if you are a Pakistani then, do you think of yourself as a decedent of Muslims who came here, no body can say.

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^^ My family has kept a family tree,a family line with all the names and yes im a descendant of the arabs who came to India and settled here in Pakistan-Punjab area.

as for discrimination with anything,i dont think about it,Im a pakistani and thats all for me.

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^^

Great work from your family to keep the family tree for atleast 300-400 years. Also wondering why you should harp on your Arab lineage if you are so proud to be a native Pakistani...

Mahatma talked about the oppressive empires not India. How true his statement is when we relate the statement to BD.

When you dont have enough stuff to argue you choose personal attacks. So typical of you...

can you say the same thing about most of the Pakistan's people, from this i want know whether there is a serious case of discrimination in Pakistan based on the complexion of a person,

This lie every pakistani parrots yet we all know there was no satellite train service from arab to India..

Should not you move to arab btw and live pakistan for those pakistanis who are opriginally from that place.. You do understand you have weakend your claim to be in that place.. aliens should not have rights baluchi who lied there for 7000 years deserve the fruits of sui gas for instance more than aliens like you isn't it

Dont be jealous if we are of superior stock then you.. There is after all a reason why 1 Paksitani soldier equals 10 Indians. We are descended of the same people who made Islam the second largest (soon to be the largest) religion of the world:)

Baochis migrated to this land along with everyone else. They may have been here longer, but they made this their home just like the rest of us.
Balochis werent the ones who invested in the Sui gas by the way. Regardless, the Baloch issue will be resolved. Which is far more then I could say for you, the occupiers and rapists of Kashmir. Atleast the Balochis choose to join Pakistan, while the Kashmirs wouldnt piss in the same pott as an Indian.

Lets see you Indians NOT rape and murder innocent KASHMIRS before ranitng over Paksitans internal matter, of which you have absolutely no clue.

superior stock !, i do not see a developing Pakistan, when you are saying that you are saying that to your own people a large part of them are form this region south asia.

sir, people who came to spread the religion have only perished in the end, what has happened to the great British Christian empire, south asia saw the invasion of two religions and India is formed willing only to be accommodating, the future is only for countries which are secular moderate and accommodating all divisions of human beings, as i said this world is big enough for all religion, only a country with a great mix of people will lead one great example in America, you may say America is a Christian country but it is mix of Europeans, Africans, South Asians, Indians, Chinese, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus etc., you may say India is a Hindu country but the truth is that India is a Union off 29 states each state speaking its own language with thousands of religions, casts, and subdivisions.

ho ! come on, in 1971 estimated 2 lack Bengali speaking east Pakistani womens where raped by west Pakistan Army, Baluch women rebels are kept in prison without any cloths and are being raped regularly in Pakistan.

when you put lacks of men as security because of the terrorist of Pakistan, there are going to be few men who are obviously not mahatmas who are involved in crime against women and those men are and will be convicted, thousand of girls get raped all around India by men.

The Britsh were never a Christian empire. The Britsh east India company was bussines holding. It was about profit and nothing more. Later it was taken over directly by the Britsh govt, under Queen victoria. Never was it a relgious based empire.

And secularism and modernism are both great, But they are two seperate animals. Secualrism doesnt always imply modernism, or vice versa.
And what exactly is modernism? The very definition is open to debate. So simply sayng your are secualr and "modern" is meaningless unless youhave a common understanding on what it actually means to be modern...
For example, for many Indians, being modern means wearing a thong on Indian beaches, while the same term has completely different meaning to some farmer in UP.

And again, having a society thats multiethnic is sounds nice, but then the argument can also be made that a world divided along nations based on ethnicity may actually prove benefcial. Take the example of the Checkoslovakia. The fact that India has had vioelnt ethnic tensions in annumber states points to this reality. While plurality makes for great sound bites, it doesnt change the fact that Countless thousands lost their lives in Khlaistan, Kashmir, and all of the other places in India where people are struggling to be free of India.
Look at the plight of Ethnic kurds. Perhaps you should preach your pluralism to them. Or maybe the Zionist Jews who left their multiethnic homes across the world to seek refuge among their own..

As for Bangladesh. First of, historyis written by the vistors. In this case, the Benglais and Indians. But assuming the highly exagerated accounts are accurate, my point would be as follows.
Bangldesh crimes were not commited in the name of PAKSITANIS. Paksitanis never knew what was happening there. The govt was not elected and hence the actions of the Pak govt were not supported by her people. Regardless, the people of Paksitan do not hold a grudge and are genuinly grieved by the suffering of the people in the in East of the country.
In Kashmir, the crimes of your govt are plain for ALL to see.
The govt is elected by Indians and has the support of Indians. Hence you are culpible for the crimes of your nation.
Indians, being completely informed of their nations crimes, choose to turn a blind to hese crimes.
Thats what makes us different from Indians.

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that is why i said an example as America and India as an aspiring developing and we are not yet there, yes differences are there, but if you go 20 years back the internal disturbances were 2 times more than what it is today 40 years back it was 4 time, India is the place where Dawood ibraihm and Prabakaran originated but today there is no place for these fellows in our society,

modernity in India is not about wearing bikinis, it could be for Indians living in other developed countries, i live in India and I don't see any bikinis on our streets, modernity in India is about how every younger generation has improved upon every older generation, is about how we have found a common language in English transcending linguistic divide, it is about how we know that if we discriminate we will split to pieces, see Indian cricket for example, we are winning today because our cricketers are from all parts of the country and most of them are from rural India that epitomises the whole India not only in cricket but in all the fields,

today we have very little discrimination in our society so much so that a community in Gujarat called gujars want to be categorized as SC and MBC(most backward class) because they don't want to miss out on government benefits, subsidies, educational reservation etc.. sir we are taught in our schools that Akbar is our great king and we have green as a Indian color in our flags, sir Indian society is modernizing from the root the rural India, because of the huge population India will never develop to be a all developed country,

you talked about how we are ruling Punjab and kashmir, i ask you again here who is ruling who and i say it again, a south Indian state Kerala is ruled by people of kerala, Tamil nadu is ruled by people of Tamils Maharashtra is ruled by people who live in Maharashtra west Bengal is ruled by Bengalies, Jammu and Kashmir is ruled by its own people every India state is ruled by its own people and India is ruled by the Indian government and anybody with some strong will can become India prime minister and president and a parliamentarian which India government is ruling Jammu and Kashmir is it the Congress or the BJP, UPA, NDA, Left CPI , National conference, PDA , Indian army, IAF, Indian Navy is it the prime minister or the prisedent of India, in my country things change and it changes for better and it changes all the time and with every new generation we are transcending our inabilities, religion and becoming more united than ever before and we hope to make a good friend of Pakistan.

ALL countries aspire to be great. India is not unique in this case. Neither is America for that matter, considering how many of Americas minorities still feel left out.
Being "great" is a relative term first of all, and whatever it is, its a work in progress. Whats "great" for one people is not the same as that for another. A msulim country, one thats based on Islamic theology, strives to create a society thats in tune with Islamic principles. Who are you to say they are wrong?

Very little discrimination?!?!? Thats debatable. For one, I find the oppinion of the majority is always bias in such pronouncements. American Whites for example have a very different view of their society then a Balck American.
And I hope I dont have to remind you of all your ethnic cleansings,, The last being in Gujrat a measly 7 years ago.
And what of the statements from your own politicians. As Vajpayee once famously said, the minorities have nothing to fear so long as they tow the line. Meaning, believe what we believe and know your place or else.

The case of Gojra community is not relevant to the overall attitude of the society towards minorities. Govts everywhere make laws, but laws are only on paper, what counts is what happnes on the ground.

Now with the kerala thing, I think you contradict yourself. On the one hand, Indian claim to be multicultural and multi ethnic, yet on the other hand, you seperate states along ethnic lines. So you at once support multiculturalism, and yet at the same time acknowldge the need to seperate ethnic groups into different states.
This to me shows that multiculturalism is not whats need to keep the peace. Whats needed is for ethnic groups and cultural groups to be seperated into their own states or even nations.
The people of Kashmir do not want to be part of India. Period. And I question whether they truly rule themselves considering the many sham elections the Indians have run there. Kashmiris want to choose their own fate.

Medernization may not mean that to you, but what about the up and coming carrer girl in Mumbai? Or the bussines man in Banglore? Its not about bikinis, its about different interpretations. We all have different understanding about what is or isnt modern. Just because you say you are modern, doesnt mean we in Paksitan or someone in America would agree with you.
And I suppose a girl in India who can wear a bikini in the US but not in India, would probably think of her country as pretty backwards and old fashioned dont you thnk?

Passing on information from one generation isnt modernity. Passage of knowledge from generation to generation is as old as humanity itself. Thats how we went from stone tools to rocket engines.

Paksitanis also have a common language, it called Urdu. And a good portion of English aswell. But how is this being modern? Just because you have adopted a foreign language as your lingua franka means modernity all of the sudden?
The Japanese cant speak a lick of Englsih and yet they are considered modern.?!?!?

Your cricket team success has everything to do with the fact that regardless of where they are from, they know how to throw a ball and hit one. The Australian cricket team is rather homogenous, and yet they were unbeatable for most of this decade.

Anyways, it all nice and sentimental, but reality is rarely this simple.

i was once standing in line in a temple to visit a god, there was this guy who was standing behind me and was pushing me with his enthusiasm to see the god, i asked 'what you are going to get before me, you are only going to get the same thing that i am going to get no mater even if you are standing before me' ,

that apart, when i am saying kerala is ruled by people of kerela i am saying the truth, i will say a little secret here, first of all India is (almost was) deeply divided by language and Gandhi wanted it to be that way, because he knows that humans can get easily divided by religion, he kept India together by dividing us by language so we do and we are overlooking religion,

ethnic, who is ethnic, the truth is India everyone is ethnic, logically Jews who have come from around the world and settled here are the ethnic,

what i meant about next generation is not about the knowledge, it is about the lack of knowledge of the previous generation, it is about how we are stepping on them and even teaching them, the best thing the older generation did is they never pointed at any one as enemy, for may of us for the first time it is very surprising to see how many of Pakistan's people are blindly hating Indians and calling us as Hindus, if you pick up one of the older guys from the grave and tell them that India is a tenth biggest economy in the world they would probably blink without any knowledge,

i know that for each of us our own country is great and that is how it should be, the thing is that India has no other chance than to be secular, if we are not secular then there will not be any possibility of India,

language is a sensitive issue in India, that is why we are making English as our common language, it is just very difficult to go ahead without finding a common language,

no one in my state said to me 'i do not want to be with India', who from Jammu and Kashmir said to you that 'i do not want to be with India', in fact every one has a right to say i do not want to be with India, but what i do not understand is that to whome one is going to say that to if any one can say i do not want to be with India.

that is very little because most of you have not seen India before the 90's and before the Independence, this is where a next generation come in India the BJP was kept out of the power for two terms now, after 7 years today we have a special court to look at all the accused including narender modi too, with respect to what happened in Gujarat very few people write about what triggerd the religious riot, some one who knew what is going to happen set a train on fire which carried priest,
now there are hinduthua fools in my country very few of them who believe Islam infiltrated Hindu India and they do want to kill all the Muslims, i say wait for a generation and they will die, Hinduism is probably prominent only in India, and few other small countries, Islam is spread around the world, you say to me why there are thousand time more religious fools spread across many Islamic countries and supported by some state instruments who are trying to spread Islam around the world by terror, by the end of the day after spreading Islam to all parts of the world what they are going to do,

Australia was colonised by European settlers and Andrue Symond is not an european, and today they are even loosing to England.

krisent,

The point was, you cant claim to be a multi ethnic nation, where everyone lives together in peace, and then at the same time, claim to be divided into states based on different ethnicity. Its a contradiction. If you were truly mutlti ethnic, where everyone gets along so well, then why the need for seperate states?
What is the point of having India even existing if the same reults could be produced by creating completely seperate countries out of your already ethnically sepearate states??!?!
India can be secualr or religous, but thats not my concern.
Hindutva has been alive and well in India for far longer then you assume. Im sure after nearly two decades of growth you are immensly optamistic, but reality doesnt always follow the optimisitc route.

Your asking me who said they dont want to be India? How about the people of Kashmir?!?! Jammu is a Hindu majority area and so they obviously would join Hindu dominant INDIA. But a little research would help you immensly.

Australia is a majority white anglo saxon nation.
Despite that fact, Australians were able to beat every team during much of this decade.

Other countries that have risen. America's rise started in early 20th century. This despite the factt that it was greatly homogenous in terms of ethnicity after having completely sidelined the black minority.

Japan despite being a relatively unifrom nation, still rose to the heights of today.

There are many ethnically homogenous countires that have done realtively well..
So where is the benefit of ethnic plurality?

Re: Another Indian Perspective on Kashmir

The easiest way to get popular for people like Kuldeep Nayar, Javed Naqvi, Arundhanti roy or anyone novice is to speak against the popular notions and get published in Paki media because they are always hungry to grab such items.

A large number of India bashers daily search various forums and invent new sensations to brow beat India.