Ancestors of Pakistanis were NOT Hindu!

[LastOfTheDinosaurs]

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@Captain1

No one is living in “glorious past” here, I’m not taking pride in any 900 years “Muslim” rule or hundreds of years of “Khilafah rule”. Why did Muslims from different parts of the world travelled to help Bosnians? Afghanistan? or in other old history? cuz they were “Muslims”. You can deny as much you’d like the existence of “Muslim nationhood” but believe me, you can never grasp what it really means thats why you have to find your “roots” to fill the “gap” inside you.

Then you forget how West Pakistanis butchered their Bangali “Muslim” brethern en-mass and raped Bangali sisters in Islam…or how Sunni Arabs massacred Shia Arabs and Kurds…or Arabs sided with Western powers in WW I against Turks and Iran sided with Christian Armenia against Azerbaijan during the conflict over Nigorno-Karabakh in 1992? There are countless examples like this.

I already know you are limited to boundaries/geographies.

I don’t live in void. I love and am obliged to the land I obtain the nourishment from.

You are wrong, Arabs call Pakistani “Rafeeq”, not “Miskeen”. Anyway whats the purpose of bringing this up? Feeling weak already? “Muslims” in Arab lands or anyother land respect Pakistani “Muslims”.

They call their fellow Arabs Akhi which means “brother” whereas “Rafiq” means “friend”. They are not even considering Pakistanis their “Akhis” in Islam. And for your kind information even on airports they have three checking arrangements…Arabs are treated like European countries treat people of European Union…the Wealthy Westerners are treated specially…for British, e.g., only passport is enough…no visa shiza…and the “Madkins” from non-Arab Muslim countries are subjected to strict and humuliating scrutiny.

[LastOfTheDinosaurs]

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Pakistan4Ever, don't you think that an overly and increasingly dominant and powerfull Punjab is a destablizing factor as for as the long-run health and integrity of Pakistan is concerned? The gap between Central Punjab and other provinces is increasing which is very dangerous and may spur more of peripheral nationalism. Most of the Punjabis don't accept this like this super patriot PakiPatriot here.

[Captain1]

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@LastOfTheDinosaurs

Then you forget how West Pakistanis butchered their Bangali “Muslim” brethern en-mass and raped Bangali sisters in Islam…or how Sunni Arabs massacred Shia Arabs and Kurds…or Arabs sided with Western powers in WW I against Turks and Iran sided with Christian Armenia against Azerbaijan during the conflict over Nigorno-Karabakh in 1992? There are countless examples like this.

Do you really know how good “Muslim” our army is ? I guess not, then you should brush up your knowledge, you are getting confused now.

I don’t live in void. I love and am obliged to the land I obtain the nourishment from.

So do I, I love Pakistan and may Allah bless this land

They call their fellow Arabs Akhi which means “brother” whereas “Rafiq” means “friend”. They are not even considering Pakistanis their “Akhis” in Islam. And for your kind information even on airports they have three checking arrangements…Arabs are treated like European countries treat people of European Union…the Wealthy Westerners are treated specially…for British, e.g., only passport is enough…no visa shiza…and the “Madkins” from non-Arab Muslim countries are subjected to strict and humuliating scrutiny.

to bhai mai kia karoon? bhaar mai jayen for all I care, I’m not suggesting Pakistan to suckup to Arabs. Arabs are as stinky as anyone else to me, they are as “money-lover” as is India, BD, Africa, Europe or US.

[Chel_Chabila_Babu]

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Does it matter either way? Sad git.

[syedpk]

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@anjjan

This is the most idiotic thread after we discussed ‘who hates Pakistan’.

In other gatherings these people try to convince us that there is no dissimilarity among Muslims on the basis of blood and race.
And here a majority of them is dying hard to declare that they carry an Arab-Afghan blood in their veins.
So Muhajirs are second class citizens? Is it so?

Ps, First ask Arabs, if they are ready to consider your wish!

We are muslims first and then comes our country ethnicity nationality etc we all agree with that.people who are even claiming that they are different from indians accept this that they are muslims first.

muhajirs are proud citizens of pakistan and are worried about their relatives in india and the treatment given to them.When the hindu mobs attack innocent muslims in gujrat.The mobs were taunting their victims by this descriminatory slogan Babur ki Aulad: Pakistan ya Qabristan! (Babur’s progeny, die or go to Pakistan) Indians have not accepted that for more than 1000 years muslims are also living in india and some have turkish iranian and arabic roots.

[Thiru_Dharan]

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^ this is absurd. Look at your own statement 'muslims have lived in India for 1000 years but Indians have not accepted..." bla bla

1. isn't them living there for 1000 years proof enough of the acceptance? how much longer should they live there before you'll aceept that they are accepted in India?

2. a group who has been living in India for 1000 years are Indians. So where's question of someone else accepting them?

I can't figure out why this kind of bs keeps coming from some paks .... I never here it from Indian muslims

[Captain1]

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@Thiru Dharan

^ this is absurd. Look at your own statement 'muslims have lived in India for 1000 years but Indians have not accepted…" bla bla

**1. isn’t them living there for 1000 years proof enough of the acceptance? how much longer should they live there before you’ll aceept that they are accepted in India? **

2. a group who has been living in India for 1000 years are Indians. So where’s question of someone else accepting them?

I can’t figure out why this kind of bs keeps coming from some paks … I never here it from Indian muslims

when the hostility towards them ends… They were not able to show the same “hostility” when they were ruled by so called Muslim rulers.

[Thiru_Dharan]

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good. so they live their for 1000 years, rule the country for a big part of it and then how come you think they became 'unaccepted'?

[syedpk]

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I think you people deliberately leave out those years of indian civilization when muslims used to rule them.Obviously muslims were rulers before the british so the question of acceptance didnor arise at that time.it was at the time of britishers and after partition when the hindu brahmins with their extremist bigot anti muslim mindset took over the indian states and started all kinds of terrorist activities and open descrimination against the muslims and other minorities.

[itsabhi9]

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All Sunni Muslims are converted Hindus....As you can say before 700 AD...only Hinduism is the religion...From Afganistan to Arunachal and from Kasmir to Kanya kumari....If they were not hindu what was there religion....TakshShila one of the most famous and biggest university at that time established around 700 BC
Some of the people write they don't worship STONES then what is in Makka where you make a round.........India invented the numerical system commonly used, and the zero was invented by Indian mathematician Aryabhatta, who was also the first to explain spherical shape, size ,diameter, rotation and correct speed of Earth in 499 AD. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC. The World's first university (offering 60 subjects) was established in Takshila in 700 BC.

It is also the only society in the world which has never known slavery. India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history. It was the richest country on Earth till it the British took over.

[Thiru_Dharan]

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@syedpk

I think you people deliberately leave out those years of indian civilization when muslims used to rule them.Obviously muslims were rulers before the british so the question of acceptance didnor arise at that time.it was at the time of britishers and after partition when the hindu brahmins with their extremist bigot anti muslim mindset took over the indian states and started all kinds of terrorist activities and open descrimination against the muslims and other minorities.

so if the muslims took over the country and ruled it, that was fine but if someone else did that, you don’t like it?

that aside, like I said, it’s only the Paks that say such things. Indian muslims never have that complaint

[itsabhi9]

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@Pakistan4ever

According to Winston Churchill: “India is no more a country than the Equator”.

India is purely a British creation. The British conquered the various nations/kingdoms of South Asia and for the ease of administration consolidated them into a single unit called India. No country with such size or name existed prior to its British invention.

The fact is India is more like a continent.

Northwest India is linguistically Indo-Aryan, Northeast India is Sino-Tibetan, South India is Dravidian, and Central/East India is Austric.

There are many different religions in India. Shaivism is more popular in South India, Kali-worship more popular in W. Bengal, Northeast Indians are either Animists or Christians, Keralans/Goans are mostly Christian, East Punjabis are mostly Sikhs, Kashmiris are mostly Muslim, Rajasthanis are mostly Saur-worshippers, etc etc

The various nations in India are Guajaratis, Bengalis, Tamils, Rajasthanis, Nagas, Manipurans, Assamese, Andhras, Maharashtans, etc. with their own unique languages, cultures, and identities.

Then Northwest Indians tend to have more of the Caucasoid racial element, Northeast Indians have more of the Mongoloid racial element, and South/East/Central Indians have more of the Australoid-Dravidoid racial element.

All of these facts is also true for the Muslims in these regions.

There is NO commonality among Indians except for being former British colonies!

On the other hand, Pakistanis have much more commonality with each other. All Pakistanis (Pashtuns, Punjabis, Baluchis, Kashmiris, Seraikis, and Sindhis) are:

1. Geographically based around Indus river and its tributaries

2. Linguistically Indo-Iranian

3. Common Harappan-Aryan-Scythic-Turkic-etc heritage

4. Mostly racially Caucasoid mixed with others

5. Culturally a blend of Muslim and Indo-Iranian roots

6. Followers of the religion of Islam

So this notion of “only” Islam uniting Pakistanis is false.

If only Islam had united Muslims of British Raj then there would be no Bangladesh today (separation of East Pakistan … since Bengalis are racially, linguistically, culturally, etc. different from Pakistanis).

Also, Pakistan was never created for “all” Muslims of British India, an impossible task to accomplish. Exchange of population was never suppose to happen but occured any way to some extent because of communalism on both sides.

Pakistan was created as a federation of Muslim-majority states of the British Raj. In fact, two prominant leaders of Pakistan movement, Muhammad Iqbal and Rehmat Ali proposed creation of Pakistan as only a federation of Punjab, NWFP, Sindh, Baluchistan, and Kashmir… based on their common history, geography, culture, language, race, defense, religion, and economics.

As you say pakistan formed on base of religion so all Indians Muslims should not be Indian bcoz if muslims and hindus are separated then all muslims should go into pakistan…but in INDIA they have much more freedom See Sania MirZA, or DIA MIRZA smooch in movie or there are no. of examples…
WE don’t worship different GOD But we Have faith in Every God but everyone has an IDOl God…like in Bengal it is KALIMA , in MAHARASHTRA it is GANESh…In SOuth INdia It is Shiva…but culturally we are same. For HINDUS Most sacred place on Earth is Varanasi, place of SHiva worship situated in North India,

[itsabhi9]

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@Captain1

Do you really know how good “Muslim” our army is ? I guess not, then you should brush up your knowledge, you are getting confused now.

So do I, I love Pakistan and may Allah bless this land

to bhai mai kia karoon? bhaar mai jayen for all I care, I’m not suggesting Pakistan to suckup to Arabs. Arabs are as stinky as anyone else to me, they are as “money-lover” as is India, BD, Africa, Europe or US.

SO pak don’t have money so they cannot be money lover…arabs are treating their brothers pakistani as second class muslims

[itsabhi9]

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Study History u will know a country can become stable as they have same religion as well as same language...Like in USA...no big threat for usa for next 500 yrs becoz they are economically stron same language from east to west....and majority is christian.....INdia also becoming economically strong (THANX to Technology BOOM) and now from north to south most of the people can speak and understand HINDI ( THanx to Bollywood)

[syedpk]

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@itsabhi9

As you say pakistan formed on base of religion so all Indians Muslims should not be Indian bcoz if muslims and hindus are separated then all muslims should go into pakistan…but in INDIA they have much more freedom See Sania MirZA, or DIA MIRZA smooch in movie or there are no. of examples…
WE don’t worship different GOD But we Have faith in Every God but everyone has an IDOl God…like in Bengal it is KALIMA , in MAHARASHTRA it is GANESh…In SOuth INdia It is Shiva…but culturally we are same. For HINDUS Most sacred place on Earth is Varanasi, place of SHiva worship situated in North India,

That shows that hinduism is a regional religion you proved it yourself.different Gods in different places and islam is truly universal.

India cant find a better place so they are all praising sania for her achievemnets why are they calling her muslim why is her religion discussed if india is secular.Does it matter what religion she follows

Dia mirza smooch scene in india shows the freedom of muslims in india where did you get??can they slaughter a cow in india and in islam we eat beef.

[syedpk]

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@itsabhi9

All Sunni Muslims are converted Hindus…As you can say before 700 AD…only Hinduism is the religion…From Afganistan to Arunachal and from Kasmir to Kanya kumari…If they were not hindu what was there religion…TakshShila one of the most famous and biggest university at that time established around 700 BC
Some of the people write they don’t worship STONES then what is in Makka where you make a round…India invented the numerical system commonly used, and the zero was invented by Indian mathematician Aryabhatta, who was also the first to explain spherical shape, size ,diameter, rotation and correct speed of Earth in 499 AD. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC. The World’s first university (offering 60 subjects) was established in Takshila in 700 BC.

It is also the only society in the world which has never known slavery. India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history. It was the richest country on Earth till it the British took over.

Many hindus converted to islam.But many muslims came from other place s like iran central asia turkey arab countries and central asia.Many sunnis are syed that means they have arab background.Many mughals are sunnis they have their sub castes like mirza baig etc .Many have afghan surnames like yousufzai and bangash.muslims also have their last name as khan is it a hindu surname example mir osman ali khan of osmania university hyderabad.

Stick to the topic i can give a list of achievemnets of muslims and the reasons why we tawaf around holy kaaba

By the way this was your first post looks like you wre preparing for it any way welcome to gupshup

[Thiru_Dharan]

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pst! what a ulluish question man! when they changed religion may be they changed last name . it'd be funny to have name like Ahmed Iyer don't you think?

[itsabhi9]

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@syedpk

That shows that hinduism is a regional religion you proved it yourself.different Gods in different places and islam is truly universal.
India cant find a better place so they are all praising sania for her achievemnets why are they calling her muslim why is her religion discussed if india is secular.Does it matter what religion she follows
Dia mirza smooch scene in india shows the freedom of muslims in india where did you get??can they slaughter a cow in india and in islam we eat beef.

Only privileged people can born as hindu…In other religion you can convert into that religion…but in Hinduism u get so much much flexibility that you can live as an atheist and say to other I’m an atheist but in other religion you have to do the prayers…
Government can say it is secular but it is not bcoz pakistan form as a muslim country then India is obviously a Hindu country…Islam is becoming global bcoz it formed as forced religion not by choice…as protestant christian they r not forcing their religion to others but catholics are forcing like muslim religion ( Yousouf Yohana) …

[Captain1]

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@itsabhi9

SO pak don’t have money so they cannot be money lover…arabs are treating their brothers pakistani as second class muslims

you really are a lost one.

[syedpk]

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@Thiru Dharan

pst! what a ulluish question man! when they changed religion may be they changed last name . it’d be funny to have name like Ahmed Iyer don’t you think?

whats so funny about it.If a south indian becomes a muslim and his family name is iyer why would any one have qualms about it.Many punjabi gujrati sindhi muslim in pakistan have the same castes as hindus of that region.

Many hindus converted to islam but i was talking about those people who have central asian irani afghan or arabic roots.Dont link that to islam a muslim today living in any part of india having a non mulim caste can be as good or even a better muslim then someone living let say in saudia arabia.

I would like to give an example of great indian islamic scholar dr zakir naik of bombamy and maulana parekh both have same castes as hindus but our respected all over the world so what is your point?