Ancestors of Pakistanis were NOT Hindu!

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Pakistan (land and people) has always existed in many forms since its 5000-year old recorded history. Punjab, NWFP, Sindh, Baluchistan, and Kashmir has a common history since time-immemorial.

Here is a list of historical maps with evidence: HugeDomains.com

Also, a chart for the time-periods of Pakistan from 3000 BC to the present:

  1. Indus Valley Civilization: 3000-1500 B.C. i.e. about 1500 yrs. Independent, separate from India.

  2. Aryan period: 1500-522 B.C. i.e. about 978 yrs. Independent, separate from India.

  3. Small semi-independent states: 522-326 B.C. i.e. about 196 yrs. Under the suzerainty of Iran’s Kayani (Achaemenian) Empire.

  4. Conquered by Alexander and remained under his successor: 326-300 B.C. i.e. about 26 yrs. Under Greek rulers, not part of India.

  5. Province of Mauryan Empire which included Afghanistan: 300-200 B.C. i.e. about 100 yrs. Part of India, mostly Buddhist rule.

  6. Graeco-Bactrian period: 200-100 B.C. i.e. about 100 yrs. Independent, not part of India.

  7. Saka-Parthian period: 100 B.C.- 70 A.D. i.e. about 170 yrs. Independent, separate from India.

  8. Kushan rule (1st phase): 70-250 A.D. i.e. about 180 yrs. Pakistan-based kingdom ruled over major portion of north India.

  9. Kushan rule (2nd phase): 250-450 A.D. i.e. about 200 yrs. Independent, separate from India.

  10. White Huns and allied tribes (1st phase): 450-650 A.D. i.e. about 200 yrs. Pakistan-based kingdoms ruled over parts of north India.

  11. White Huns (2nd phase— mixed with other races): 650-1010 A.D. i.e. about 360 yrs. Independent Rajput-Brahmin Kingdoms, not part of India.

  12. Ghaznavids: 1010-1187 A.D. i.e. 177 yrs. Part of Ghaznavid empire, separate from India.

  13. Ghorid and Qubacha periods: 1187-1227 A.D. i.e. about 40 yrs. Independent, not part of India.

  14. Muslim period (Slave dynasty, Khiljis, Tughlaqs, Syeds, Lodhis, Suris and Mughals): 1227-1739 A.D. i.e. about 512 yrs. Under north India based MUSLIM govts.

  15. Nadir Shah and Abdali periods: 1739-1800 A.D. i.e. about 61 yrs. Iranian and Afghan suzerainty, not part of India.

  16. Sikh rule (in Punjab, NWFP and Kashmir), Talpur rule in Sind, Khanate of Kalat in Baluchistan: 1800-1848 A.D. i.e. about 48 yrs. Independent states, not part of India.

  17. British rule: 1848-1947 A.D. i.e. about 99 yrs (1843-1947 in Sind). Part of India under FOREIGN rule.

  18. Muslim rule under the nomenclature of Pakistan: 1947-present. Independent, not part of India.

The above table reveals that during the 5000 years of Pakistan’s known history, this country was part of India for a total period of 711 yrs of which 512 yrs were covered by the MUSLIM period and about 100 years each by the Mauryan (mostly BUDDHIST) and British (CHRISTIAN) periods. Can anybody agree with the Indian ‘claim’ that Pakistan was part of India and that partition was unnatural? It hardly needs much intelligence to understand that Pakistan always had her back towards India and face towards the countries on her west. This is true both commercially and culturally.

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Ullus, more people in India from a racial perspective are caucasian than in Pakistan. You are not that different. The only thing different is that you have little regard for your history which is rich and far richer than the arabs you emulate could ever conjure up. You are nto sons of Ishmael.

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SyedPK,

Rehmat Ali wanted many independent Muslim states (e.g. Bangladesh as a separate Muslim country called Bangistan) throughout British India. According to him Pakistan was to be created as a federation of NWFP, Punjab, Sindh, Baluchistan, and Kashmir… and then at a later stage have some kind of confederacy with other neighboring Muslim countries.

This is the map of Rehmat Ali’s proposal for Muslim states out of British India: http://www.zyworld.com/slam33/cra9.jpg

I live in the USA and most Americans that I know are very much aware of the differences between Indians and Pakistanis. They have different looks, manners, culture, etc. And even if a few foreigners confuse the two, so what! I mean to some Americans the Japanese and Philipinos might look the same… or to some Pakistanis the Russians and British might look the same.. but they are NOT! “Most” Pakistanis have a different race, language, culture, history, religion, etc. from “most” Indians!

Pre-1947 Karachi had many people from Gujarat, Rajasthan, Goa, etc only during the British rule as they came as opportunist immigrants to benefit from the newly created mega city Karachi which boomed economically under the British rule. The Negroid Baluchs (called Makranis) along the Makran coast are descendents of African immigrants (probably slaves) that came during the middle ages. They represent a small minority among Baluchs and even a smaller minority among Pakistanis (< 0.5%). Most Brauhis look similar to Baluch and Sindhis, but they speak a Dravidian language, however, they are also a tiny minority of Pakistan (< 1%).

I am not denying the fact that great injustice was done to Bengali Muslims (East Pakistanis) by Pakistanis and the Indian interference in assisting the Bengali separatists… but the differences in race, culture, geography, and language only magnified the injustices which our enemies exploited.

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I read some where that Abdalis are descended from White Huns. White Huns were also known as Hephthalites or Epthalites… or Epthali from which Abdali is derived from. Also, Khiljis are decended from Turks. Though I am not sure about the others you mentioned.

In a similar fashion, many Punjabis and Sindhis also have ancestory derived from Aryans, Sakas, Hephthalites, Turks, etc.

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When did the rajputs came to punjab?? Many punjabis have rajput caste so they did come from india.Explain why chiniotis have vohra caste which is gujrati but chiniotis are punjabis.The memon community is sindhi or mahajir because 500 years ago they used to live in sindh being part of the lohana community of sindh and why they speak memoni dialect (gujrati mixed with sindhi).There are atleast two types of memons the sindhi memon divided into diplai and halai and memons from india who have different castes.What about the pawindas they are afghans or pakistanis because some of them settled in this region.What about the nawab families of different parts of india and their origins.

you cant argue this fact if let say 20% of our population looks different from india what about the rest it looks exactly like them.we have our origins from different regions but we should accept that majority of people from pakistan look like north and west india

WE are muslims why should we bother about our origin whether we look different or similar we all our brothers.

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hmmm its tru that we shudnt really care wats our background.. as islam treats all as one.. bt then allah also said.. we made u into nations and tribes.. so we have our own identity..

dont mix religion with culture.. as religion is wat u follow.. and culture is ur identity which differentiates you from the other..

at our mosque here. we have multi national ppl here.. and well u can easily see that somalis hang in their group, the malay in theirs, indonesians in theirs, indians in theirs.. pakis in theris and so on..

so even though we pray in one mosque.. in one style. ot the same god.. at the end we hang in our own groups.. some new mulims converts feel left out.. bt i think they also hav realised u cant figh a culture.. and culture is strong.. dats ur identity..

allah Hafiz

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SyedPK,

Rajputs are descended from Hephthalites-Scythians from Central Asia (mixed with locals). Rajputs of Pakistan identify their identity based on tribal background. And Rajputs in India are mostly found on its bordering regions with Pakistan such as Rajasthan, East Punjab, etc. You can read more about origins of Pakistani Rajputs, Jats, and other Punjabi/Sindhi tribes at: Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos Also on Scythic origins of Punjabis/Sindhis: Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos

The Memon community in Karachi also migrated from Gujarat-Kutch region during British rule due to the newly created city’s economic boom under the Brits. Besides, Memons are a very small minority of Pakistanis.

Your argument based on some similarity of looks between Indians and Pakistanis is very weak! “Most” Pakistanis look different than “most” Indians, that’s a fact that every one knows! Sure many Punjabis/Sindhis might look similar to Northwest Indians, but then Northwest India is only a small portion of India. What about South India which is racially Dravidoid-Australoid and linguistically Dravidian, Northeast India which is racially Mongoloid and linguistically Sino-Tibetan, and Central/East India which is racially Australoid and linguistically Austro-Asiatic!!! A Kashmiri Pakistani is racially and linguistically as different from a Tamil Indian as is an Italian from an Ethiopian! And even if a few people from both countries look a like then so what! A Japanese might look similar to a Philippino, a Russian to a British, a South African to a Sudanese, etc… but they are NOT the same people!

Differences between Pakistanis and Indians

Language/linguistics:

About 75% of languages spoken in Pakistan are Indo-Aryan and 24%
are Iranian, both part of the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European
family of languages. All languages of Pakistan are written in the
Perso-Arabic script, with significant vocabulary derived from Arabic
and Persian. Punjabi, Seraiki, Sindhi, Pashto, Urdu, Balochi,
Kashmiri, etc. are the languages spoken in Pakistan.

About 70% of languages spoken in India are Indo-Aryan, 25% are
Dravidian, and 5% are Sino-Tibetan and Austro-Asiatic, all distinct
family of languages. Most languages in India are written in Brahmi-
derived scripts such as Devangari, Gurmukhi, Tamil, etc. Hindi,
Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi, Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Assamese,
Punjabi, and many others are the mother-tongue languages spoken in
each of India’s states.

As you can see both countries have distinct linguistic identities.
Even in the case of Punjabi, while it is the mother-tongue of a
majority in Pakistan, it represents the mother-tongue of only 2%
Indians. Besides, Pakistani Punjabi (Western Punjabi) is distinct in
its vocabulary/dialect and writing script when compared to Indian
Punjabi (Eastern Punjabi). Another thing to keep in mind is that
Indian Punjabi is mostly spoken by Sikhs who consider themselves
distinct from the rest of Indians and had been fighting for
independence. In the case of Urdu/Hindi, while Hindi is the mother-
tongue of a majority in India, Urdu is the mother-tongue of only 8%
Pakistanis. Besides, they both are distinct languages, Urdu has a
writing script and strong vocabulary derived from Arabic and
Persian, whereas Hindi has strong vocabulary derived from Sanskrit
and is written in Devangari script. Most Pakistanis can understand
English and watch American/Brit movies but that does not make them
British/American, same is the case with Hindi.

Race/genetics:

About 65% of Pakistanis are Caucasoid by race, 23% Australoid-
Negroid, and 12% Mongoloid in their overall genetic composition.
Majority of Pakistanis are tall with fair skin complexion, similar
to Middle Eastern and Mediterranean peoples. While the racial features
of each ethnic group are not uniform, Pashtuns are the most Caucasoid,
followed by Kashmiris, Baluchis, north Punjabis, and then Sindhis, Seraikis,
Urdu-speakers, etc. The Australoid-Negroid and Mongoloid racial
elements are quite infused within the dominant Caucasoid genes among
Pakistanis, however there are some that have retained their distinct racial
characteristics.

About 50% of Indians are Australoid-Negroid by race, 35% Caucasoid,
and 15% Mongoloid in their overall genetic composition. Majority of
Indians are darker in their skin complexion, with wider noses,
shorter heights, etc. The Australoid-Dravidoid racial element
dominates among the lower caste Indians, South Indians, Eastern and
Central Indians, etc. The Caucasoid racial element dominates in
Northwest Indians and higher caste Indians. The Mongoloid racial
element dominates in Northeast Indians and border regions with
China.

Obviously, both countries have distinct racial identities. A common
international perception based on observance of physical features is
that most Pakistanis are lighter skinned than most Indians. Most
Pakistanis resemble the looks of peoples inhabiting on its western
borders and beyond. Indeed, many Pakistanis also resemble many
Northwest Indians or higher caste Indians, but those are a minority
in India. Similarly, a few people of Pakistan resemble peoples of
South India, lower caste Indians, Northeast India, etc. but they are
a minority in Pakistan. And besides, let’s say, if some Saudis look
similar to the French that does not make them one people, same
applies here between Indians and Pakistanis.

Culture/Traditions:

Pakistanis have a distinct culture, traditions and customs. Shalwar
kamiz is the dress commonly worn, both by men and women in Pakistan.
Pakistani food is rich in meat (including beef), whereas wheat is
the main staple. Pashto, Punjabi, Balochi, Sindhi, etc. music and
dances are distinctly unique with their own melodies, instruments,
patterns and styles. Pakistani arts in metal work, tiles, furniture,
rugs, designs/paintings, literature, calligraphy, etc. are distinct
and diverse. Pakistani architecture is unique with its Islamic
styles. The manners and lifestyles are guided by a blend of Islam
and local traditions.

India’s commonly worn dress is dhoti for men and sari for women.
Indian food is mostly vegetarian, with wheat as the main staple in
the north and west, and rice is the main staple in south and east.
Hindi, Gujarati, Tamil, Bengali, etc. music and dances are
distinctly unique. So are Indian arts in the many areas. Indian
architecture is unique in its mostly Hindu styles. The manners and
lifestyles of most Indians are guided by Hinduism.

Pakistanis and Indians definitely have distinct cultures of their
own. Some Indian women wear shalwar kamiz, but that was introduced
by the ancestors of Pakistanis. Many Pakistani food dishes are
absent in Indian cuisine and vice versa, and if some dishes are
shared, they were also introduced by the ancestors of Pakistanis
(like naan, tikka, kabob, biryani/pulao, etc.). There is barely any
Hindu architectural influence in Pakistan (Gandhara is Graeco-
Buddhist and Harappan is distinct), but significant influences by
the ancestors of Pakistanis can be found in India. The lives of most
Pakistanis are shaped by Islam, whereas the lives of most Indians
are shaped by Hinduism.

History/background:

Pakistanis are a blend of their Harappan, Aryan, Persian, Greek,
Saka, Parthian, Kushan, White Hun, Arab, Turkic, Afghan, and Mughal
heritage. Waves of invaders and migrants settled down in Pakistan
through out the centuries, influencing the locals and being absorbed
among them.

Most Indians are a blend of their heritage of Dravidoid-Australoid
hunters and gatherers, and Aryans (in north). Northwest Indians have
a heritage from Harappans, Aryans, Sakas, and White Huns. Northeast
Indians have a heritage based from Mongoloid hunters and gatherers.
Also, Turks, Afghans and Mughals ruled north India for centuries.

Pakistan and India have a distinct history and background. The
region of Pakistan was never part of India except for 500+ years
under the Muslims, and 100 years each under the Mauryans and the
British. If any thing, it were the ancestors of Pakistanis who colonized
north/northwest India, among them were Harappans, Aryans, Sakas,
Kushans, White Huns, Turks, Afghans, and Mughals.

Geography:

Pakistan is geographically unique, with Indus river and its
tributaries as its main water supply. It is bordered by the Hindu
Kush and Sulaiman Mountain ranges in the west, Karakoram mountain
range in the north, Sutlej river and Thar desert in east, and
Arabian Sea in the south. The country in its present form was
created by the Pakistanis themselves out of the British Raj, the
Indus people themselves who are now mostly Muslims.

India is geographically unique, with Ganges river and its
tributaries as its water supply in the north, and other river
systems in the rest of the country. Himalayas as its northern
boundary, Sutlej river and Thar desert as its western border, the
jungles of northeast as its eastern border, and Indian Ocean in the
south. The mountains in the central-south India are the great divide
between Dravidians of the south and Indo-Aryans of the north. The
country itself was created by the British, a direct descendent of
the remnants of British Raj.

It is evident that India and Pakistan have their own unique
geographical environments. Pakistan is located at the crossroads of
South Asia, Central Asia, and the Middle East. On the other hand,
India is located at the core of South Asia.

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are most pakistanis punjabis? a simple question you dont have waste so many words to explian you are not indians. simple question what are you rather than
what you are not

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Race does not matter… all races are equal and none superior/inferior to the other… however, race is a part of a people’s identity.. de facto. Pakistanis are a multi-racial people with Caucasoid as its predominant racial element. Since there is some discussion of race here.. the following is an interesting analysis on Pakistani race based on genetic testing:

"Most Pakistani populations cluster with South Asian and Middle Eastern populations, and are close to Northern African, Central Asian and European populations, thus showing a general similarity with geographically close populations.

Comparisons with Worldwide Data

"In a worldwide comparison, Pakistani populations mostly cluster around a pooled South Asian sample and lie close to a Middle Eastern sample (fig. 2A). This finding is unsurprising, in part because the South Asian sample included 62 Pakistani individuals (i.e., 32% of 196 total) and in part because Y variation in many areas of the world is predominantly structured by geography, not by language or ethnic affiliation (Rosser et al. 2000; Zerjal et al. 2001). The greater genetic similarity of Pakistani populations to those in the west than to eastern populations is illustrated by the fact that four of the five frequent haplogroups in Pakistan (haplogroups 1, 2, 3, and 9, which together make up 79% of the total population) are also frequent in western Asia and Europe but not in China or Japan; conversely, the haplogroups that are frequent in East Asia (e.g., 4, 5, 10, 13, and 20) are rare or absent in Pakistan, forming only 2.5% of the total. If, as in some interpretations, an early exodus from Africa along the southern coast of Asia led to the first anatomically modern human populations in Pakistan, and these people carried the eastern haplogroups or their precursors, their Y chromosomes have now been largely replaced by subsequent migrations or gene flow; indeed, the representatives of the eastern haplogroups in Pakistan may be derived from modern back-migration, not from ancient survivors.

“The fifth haplogroup that is common in Pakistan, haplogroup 28, differs from all the others in its distribution. Within Pakistan, it made up 14% of our sample and was present in all but two populations (both of which had very small sample sizes), so it is both common and widespread. Outside Pakistan and the nearby countries, however, it is rare. It has been reported in India (30%; present in 3/3 populations), Tajikistan (10%; present in 5/6 populations), and Uzbekistan (3%; present in 10/13 populations), but it is rare in Russia (0.4%; present in 1/6 populations) and the Caucasus (1.4%; present in 1/6 populations (Wells et al. 2001) and has not been found at all in China or Mongolia (unpublished observations). BATWING estimates of the TMRCA of the Pakistani haplogroup 28 chromosomes were 7,000 (4,00014,000) years (table 8). Thus, within this time period, the Pakistani populations have diverged from a common ancestral population or have experienced considerable male gene flow between themselves or from a common source. Since the estimated age corresponds to the early Neolithic period, the spread of this lineage might be associated with the local expansion of farmers.”

Source: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v70n5/013572/013572.html

Lets not forget that the South Asia is simply a geographic entity/term which stretches from Afghanistan to Burma and Himalayas to Sri Lanka having many different/extreme racial variations based on regions. However, most people in northwest/north portion of South Asia are classified as Caucasoids. Caucasoids are defined by physical features and not skin color (dark skin is caused by long-term high sun exposure in hot desert and near tropical geographical environments):

"Caucasoid describes humans primarily from Europe, the Middle East (Western Asia), North Africa, northwest South Asia, and parts of Central Asia, and is one of the four traditional major races recognized by physical anthropologists.

"The Caucasoid or white race is not defined by social opinions about pale ‘whiteness’, which are a folk taxonomy, but are based upon the shared anatomical features of Western Eurasian humans. The term applies to one of a varying number of races defined by various racial theories.

"Craniometry is based solely on skull shapes, and does not take into account other characteristics such as pigmentation or hair texture. Caucasoids present the lowest degree of projection of the alveolar bones which contain the teeth, and a notable size promenence of the crainom and forehead region. Caucasoids show a projection of the midfacial region which, among modern humans is common.

"Caucasoids also possess a Western Eurasian dental pattern, where the incisor teeth are more pointed and sharper than those of other races.

According to H. H. Risley, Caucasians are also “mostly” fine-nosed and per his data:

Race -------------- Nasal Index ----------- Nasal Type

Pakistani Sindhi (Rajput) – 71.6 – fine-nosed sub-leptorrhine

Pakistani Punjabi (Jat) ---- 68.8 – fine-nosed leptorrhine

Indian Dravidian (Kadian) – 89.8 – broad-nosed platyrrhine

By comparison, the French of Paris average 69.4, while pure Africans average between 90 and 100.

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are pakistanis basically punjabis?

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Pakistanis are 48% Punjabis.

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By the way, the genetic studies on Pakistanis also concluded that some Pashtun claims of Jewish origin and Kalasha/Sarhadi/Kashmiri claims to Greek origins are not true at all!

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It is interesting to note the following linguistic stats:

PAKISTAN: 99% Indo-Iranian

INDIA: 67% Indo-Iranian, 25% Dravidian, 8% Sino-Tibetan and Austric

AFGHANISTAN: 85% Indo-Iranian, 14% Turkic

IRAN: 72% Indo-Iranian, 26% Turkic

Note: Indo-Aryan and Iranian are closely related being sub-branches of Indo-Iranian, a branch of Indo-European. Turkic is a branch of Altaic closely related to Mongolian.

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^ Now chanda take the percentages and run absolute numbers against it. See what you get. Indians have a history that spans 6000 years, but Pakistanis remind us all the time how their history started when muslims came to the subcontinent. Apparently no one lived there and arabs were airlifted from the sihthole called arabia and dropped in the subcontinent. :hehe:

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Way too much logic here for the mullahs. fugidabodit ....

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Yes but an evolved/mythical identity has roots in myth and mystery. Therefore, its development cannot be chronologically reconstructed and traced to its beginning. As such it has no beginning and has sort of an immortal or eternal existence in the minds of its upholders.

As example, take the Baluch identity! No one knows who was the first Baluchi, the first ancestor and which stages transformed Baluchi Culture to its present form and gave Baluchis a sense of uniqueness, group-feelings, and n…ational identity.

Mythical identity exists at the level of subconscious and instincts and is part of one’s spirity, soul, and even biological being (e.g. color, facial features, height, etc.).

A created/historical identity on the other hand has a traceable beginning in time. Its development can be chronologicaly re-constructed and various stages of its formation can be identified and described. Therefore, historical identity only exists at conscious level. Example is Pakistani identity. Every body, even a child, knows that on August 13, 1947 all people were Hindustanis. The next morning when they woke up, they had suddenly become Pakistanis.

Mythical identity is very profound and hard to be given up abruptly. Historical Identity on the other hand can be as abruptly given up as suddenly it has been acquired. Territorial and religious identities are historical in nature and are highly fragile in this sense. For example if a Baluchi changes his citizenship and religion, he would cease to be Pakistani and Muslim suddenly but will still be a Baluchi practicing Baluch Culture, speaking Baluchi language, and upholding Baluchi values. Race and blood are also very important drivers in human self-definition.

The problem with Pakistani identity is that it is only historical and has its mythical dimension missing. As such it is very fragile. And probably that is why Pakistan4Ever is trying to construct its mythical dimension.

As for the role of group-feelings in being productive, nations with strong sense of identity have always made history and have survived for longer. Only nations with profound sense of distinctiveness and identity and so strong character have survived and accomplished great deads. Strong sense of identity provides motive energy to nations to survive and r…ationale to gaurd their n…ational integrity.

As for Islam, it can never be a basis of identity. It is a stupidity and non-sense to base identity on religion especially when it is a prozeltyzing religion. Also the boundaries of Pakistan are arbitrarily drawn that don’t coincide with cultural frontiers. To develop this new identity, more ancient and profound identities would have to be demolished which is extremely difficult. Urdu can also not give Pakistan an identity because in reality it is the same language as Hindi but written in a different script.

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was pakistan called hindustan during mughal rule? term hindu more to do with northindian
pakistani ethnic groups never heard southindia refered as hindustan.

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Some historians consider Abdalis (Durranis) to be Epthalites. But in tribal affinity, they are considered cousins of Khakhi (the Pashtun tribal confederacy that include Yousafzais, Mohammadzais, Turklanris, Gigyanis, and Jaduns) and Ghori Khel (another Pashtun tribal confederacy including Mohmands, Daudzais, Shinwaris, Safis, Khalils, and Zamands).

Abdalis, together with Khakhis and Ghori Khel, constitute the Sarabani branch of Pashtun geneological tree. THUS this grouping is by common ancestry (according to geneologies) and not political affiliation.

Abdalis are the most western Pashtuns inhabiting historical Arachosea where Sakas first descended from north via Hindukush and established their rule. This area includes Kandahar, Hirat, Nimroz, and Farah at the border of Iranian Siestan. Probability is, they are Sakas. Recently, there have been excavations from Kandahar region related to Saka period.

More and more historians now are of the view that they are Turks or Epthalites but pashtunized during the period from 600 AD to 1200 AD. Epthalites are considered to ethnically akin to Turks. So more likely actually Khiljis are Epthalites rather than Durranis.

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WOW.. man u guys take little simple things sooooooooo serious.. no wonder u guys neva get ahead.. coz u mingle too much on simple stuff.. rahter den doing sumfin constructive..

i don get it.. WAT U GUYS ARE FIGHTIN ABOUT???

Allah hafiz

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What simple things? Actually, you are being too simplistic and casual about serious matters. Probably, your only concern is your immediate needs i.e. your bread and better.