Jinnah called this the 'jaguar vein of Pakistan.
1948 Raiders were pushed into Kashmir to capture Srinagar.
1965 war started due to Pakistani army covertly invading Kashmir.
Pakistani Jihadi attacks to ethnically cleanse Kashmir of Hindus.
1999 Kargil. PA occupied vacant post in Kargil to cut off Kashmir from India.
Pakistan radios & TV talk about Kashmir as if it belongs to them
Plebescite is demanded by Pakistan - (to choose between India or Pak not Independence).
If Pakistan did not obsess about Kashmir - India and Pakistan have no issues with each other.
China seems more interested in getting its hands on Arunachal Pradesh than anything else. As for the parts of Ladakh they’ve taken, those areas are completely uninhabited, and of little economic or strategic value. I don’t see much of a point in complicating matters further by making the return of an uninhabited, unarable glacier a prerequisite to Kashmir’s freedom.
Although there has never really been a poll taken throughout the state, it seems that Jammu & Ladakh are more or less happy with their current situation…and if that’s the case, then I don’t see why they should be forced to leave India. My guess would be that if a plebiscite was ever carried out, the Kashmiri areas (the 6 districts of the Valley, and Doda district in Jammu) would almost certainly opt for independence…with most of the remaining areas almost certainly opting for India. There are a few districts like Punch, Rajouri, and Kargil which are a toss-up…they’re overwhelmingly Muslim, but they’re not Kashmiri…they could go either way.
A Kashmiri-American think tank put together this map of a hypothetical Kashmiri state. The areas in dark blue are Kashmiri-speaking, whereas the lighter blue areas are Kargil, Punch, and Rajouri districts:
By necessity, any independent Kashmiri state would have friendly relations with both of its neighbors.
Independence or not, the vast majority of Kashmiri Muslims support the return of the Pandits.
There is no such thing as Independent Kashmir and there never will be. Why? Because it has been proven that it is merely a slogan used by traitors who take money from enemy to attack and kill their own neighbors innocent women and children.
Hello all,
Because it has been proven that it is merely a slogan used by traitors who take money from enemy to attack and kill their own neighbors innocent women and children.
It's only been proven in your little Indian head, no where else.
what about gilgit northern areas, their languages belong to the dardic sub family too and not all of the Doda district of people are ethnic kashmiris and their language is not dardic. In the town of Bhaderwah, most people speak an indic sub family language, It wouldn't be right to include cities/towns/areas that are non dardic. In Doda district there is a considerably huge population of Hindus close to 300,000 while the population of Muslims is 400,000 and the Hindus of that one particular town I mentioned might want to stay with India.
the part of Udhampur district that Janab has included into the independent kashmir map also don't seem to have all dardic language speakers. The few koshur speakers that migrated there seem to be kashmiri pandits and the people of that portion should be given a right to choose whether to join independent kashmir
what about gilgit northern areas, their languages belong to the dardic sub family too and not all of the Doda district of people are ethnic kashmiris and their language is not dardic. In the town of Bhaderwah, most people speak an indic sub family language, It wouldn't be right to include cities/towns/areas that are non dardic. In Doda district there is a considerably huge population of Hindus close to 300,000 while the population of Muslims is 400,000 and the Hindus of that one particular town I mentioned might want to stay with India.
the part of Udhampur district that Janab has included into the independent kashmir map also don't seem to have all dardic language speakers. The few koshur speakers that migrated there seem to be kashmiri pandits and the people of that portion should be given a right to choose whether to join independent kashmir
Gilgit and Northern areas are happy where they are. Infact they want to be given provincial status within Pakistan. But we can have a plebiscite there as well, no problem. Just agree to have a plebiscite and all speakers of all languages will be accomodated.
Yes - lets have partition all around. So what if another million people are killed, millions made homeless, hate, murder, rape & anger all around.
Refugees pouring into India, Pakistan, Afganistan, destroying whatever little we have achieved.
After 60 years Indian's & Pakistani's have still not reconciled to the horrors & brutality of Partition - and some of you want to restart this all over again.
And do you really think this redrawing of borders will stop here - No! it will just continue, till Pakistan & India are utterly distroyed into several small countries.
Janab - says that hindu's will be welcomed in this new azad Kashmir (Janabistan) but who knows!! Even Jinnah, Nehru could not control the madness which followed.
I for one - support the continual crushing of this seperatist movement in Kashmir with firmness & determination.
what about gilgit northern areas, their languages belong to the dardic sub family too and not all of the Doda district of people are ethnic kashmiris and their language is not dardic. In the town of Bhaderwah, most people speak an indic sub family language, It wouldn't be right to include cities/towns/areas that are non dardic. In Doda district there is a considerably huge population of Hindus close to 300,000 while the population of Muslims is 400,000 and the Hindus of that one particular town I mentioned might want to stay with India.
the part of Udhampur district that Janab has included into the independent kashmir map also don't seem to have all dardic language speakers. The few koshur speakers that migrated there seem to be kashmiri pandits and the people of that portion should be given a right to choose whether to join independent kashmir
The 95% Muslim Kashmir Valley can rot in India for all eternity, and that's OK. But its a travesty if the Hindu minority in the 64% Kashmiri Muslim Doda district gets included with an independent Kashmir. Typical Indian hypocrisy.
Yes - lets have partition all around. So what if another million people are killed, millions made homeless, hate, murder, rape & anger all around.
*5. I for one - support the continual crushing of this seperatist movement in Kashmir with firmness & determination.
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The alternative is too horrible to contemplete.
It's sad to see you say that. I for one thought you cared for freedom of the oppressed.
The 95% Muslim Kashmir Valley can rot in India for all eternity, and that's OK. But its a travesty if the Hindu minority in the 64% Kashmiri Muslim Doda district gets included with an independent Kashmir. Typical Indian hypocrisy.
Hello Janab e Ali,
Going by what is happening to muslims in all other countries which are supposedly muslim countries, the muslims of Kashmir are far better of in India - which is why the 2nd or 3rd biggest muslim population is Indian.
It is at the same time sad and despicable that you are using the 'muslim' card just like the terrorists do to split up the population.
Going by what is happening to muslims in all other countries which are supposedly muslim countries, the muslims of Kashmir are far better of in India - which is why the 2nd or 3rd biggest muslim population is Indian.
I've seen firsthand how we're treated in India, and how we're treated in Kashmir by Indians. Don't try to whitewash what I've seen with my own two eyes.
It is at the same time sad and despicable that you are using the 'muslim' card just like the terrorists do to split up the population.
As I have said repeatedly, this is and always has been a nationalistic issue.
Indopak (an Indian) brought up the Hindu-Muslim issue, talking about how it wouldn't be right for the 35% Hindu minority in a Kashmiri majority district to live in an independent Kashmir. I was just pointing out the inherent hypocrisy at play.
