An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

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Saudis are the most racist and bigoted people in the world. KSA stands for Kingdom of South Africa.

The world laughs at them yet they get more arrogant.

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Republic of south africa (RSA)

since when did south africa became a kingdom???

nelson mandela was a monarch??

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Lajawab, i appreciate your love for Muslims, but the what he has wrote is nothing about religion. Defending bad things done by one'e own people is Racism (Assabiyya) and Islam is against this.

What he has written is very very true. South Asian workers are really treated like dirt. And this is true of other foreigners as well. There is a social system similar to what Hindus had, Barhamn, Khashtari,Waish and Shoodar.

South asians are like shoodars. The only foreigners treated well are Americans and British, then come the other Arabs and then Indians/pakis/philippinos and the bottom are Nepalis.

A philippino nurse was harassed by a patient and she went to a court, and the judge commented that if she does not like such behavior she should go back to her country.

And its not only the Gulf people, even the Palestinians, syrians and egyptions are very racist.

The western people are lot more tolerant than the fellow muslims.

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Arabs are certainly very racist. Iconoclast rightly pointed out that they respect only the white skins -europeans/americans the most and they just cant stand the browns- ditto for chutya persians and bhikari russians. Now that the same white skins are massacering arabs left and right so much that in like 10-20 yrs the arabs would be facing extinction. No one knows about the numbers but since this war against terror or whatever dumbo bush calls it, thousands have died.

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Shajrah is a family tree.

I never insinuated anything of the sort, but I am reciting historical facts that the arabs, persians and turks civilized Indians. Think about it this way, is the taj mahal indian architecture or is it architecture from the lands of persians, arabs and turks? Thats what I’m referring to.

I don’t know why this is so offensive to pakistanis. Somewhere along the way, my ancestors were barbarians too and were civilized by islam. I don’t feel upset by that fact, so why is it pakistanis are suddenly starting to hurl abuses at me by calling me a sand-niggah and hindu when i mention the historical fact that the indians were civilized when arabs, persians and turks came to their region.

My ancestors have been intermarrying amongst other Awans for centuries.

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^ Suprisingly, why havent Arabs, Persians and Turks(to a lesser degree) have taken on the noble task of civilizing themselves.. On wait, I guess they simply thought outsourcing "civilizing technology" would be a gr8 idea rather than adopting one. The fact that they arabs cant even build a power generation plant without american/british help is an example of this. No one's calling sand niggah and stuff bro.. you are a fellow pakistani brother but we- u and me aint blood brothers to the nutheads who were marrying 17 times and eating dates sitting on a camel all day until they found black gold and then it was kismat ka darwaza!

which guppy u would take with u
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SayedAbdullah, why don't you read "History of Arabs" by Fillip K. Hitti. Till first half of 2oth Century, Arabs were called parasites of the camel. Only thing they found in their deserts for sustenance were camels, dates, and lizards.

Fillip K. Hitti writes that when there was scarsity of water, Arabs would shove a stick down the throat of a camel and when it would vomit, would drink the excretion. And look at their arrogance now that they have found new source of wealth in oil.

Arabs of Arab Peninsula became prosperous for a while in the early days of Islam due to spoils from "Jehad" (call it Arab Imperialism) but later as centers of power shifted to other regions, they reversed back to their pre-Islamic condition as for as social and opolitical life is concerned. It is nonsense saying that Arabs civilized Indians.

And who says Islam brought civilization! While fighting Rida Wars, Khalid Bin Walid killed an Arab Chief on the pretext that he had become "murtad" and while the blood of the chief was wet yet, married his wife. Hadrat Umar took advantage of this and invoked a political campaign against. Hadrat Abu Bakar took great pains to desolve the conflict between the two politicians.

Non-Arabs were called Mawalis (plural of Mawla) a derogatory term used to designate the inferior status of non-Arabs compared to the ruling status of Arabs.

All this "Muslim Amma" talk are non-sense and politics.

And how can the sex-power of the ancestors of Sayed be so great as to have given birth to hundreds of millions of Sayeds? All these claims are fake and fabricated to extort privilges from innocent people in the name of divinity.

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I have a cousin who went to SA to work. The guy who sponsered him took his passport when he arrived. His visa was for two years.. now its over but they can't find the guy. He is trapped.. can't leave.... can't legally stay in SA. I have never been there but he tells me that it is horrible for foreign workers. He says that the Soudies don't think of us as humans. They are not allowed to do any decent jobs....... the only thing they are allowed to do is construction work.

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You are of the type who would not give muslims credit even if they saved your life. The present western thinking that they are the only civil people in the world and every one owes their civilization to the west is just bull****.

Your own double standard is apparent from this post. You would believe the most rediculus of stories told by some western historian because he is WESTERN. On the other hand you would deny historic facts and fabricate lies about the companions of the Prophet(saw). Hazrat Khalid bin Walid was very obedient to Hazrat Umar. Once during a campaign Hazrat Umar sent another commander to replace Hazrat Khalid bin Walid. This new commander reached the muslims during a battle so he decided to wait until the end of the battle to tell Hazrat Khalid about the order of Hazrat Umar. When he finally did convey the message Hazrat Khalid said that he should have delivered the message of the Caliph as soon as he got there. Hazrat Khalid immediatly stepped aside and fought as any other soldier under the new commander. Now you would have us believe that he had some personal tension with Hazrat Umar. I think you got this story from some other WESTERN historian. And they were NOT politicians. They had better relationships than most of todays real brothers have.

Lets come to the civilization question. No honest person can deny the Muslim contibution to the civilization of not only Indians but the Europeans as well. The European "enlightenment" was based on Muslim contributions to different sciences. The word chemistry comes from an arabic word. Muslims had major contributions in all sciences.

In the middle ages the Muslims did go bad but you can't deny their earlier contributions on their later behaviour.

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^ Suprisingly, why havent Arabs, Persians and Turks(to a lesser degree) have taken on the noble task of civilizing themselves.. On wait, I guess they simply thought outsourcing "civilizing technology" would be a gr8 idea rather than adopting one. The fact that they arabs cant even build a power generation plant without american/british help is an example of this. No one's calling sand niggah and stuff bro.. you are a fellow pakistani brother but we- u and me aint blood brothers to the nutheads who were marrying 17 times and eating dates sitting on a camel all day until they found black gold and then it was kismat ka darwaza!
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Patently untrue misreading of history and societies.

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SayedAbdullah, why don't you read "History of Arabs" by Fillip K. Hitti. Till first half of 2oth Century, Arabs were called parasites of the camel. Only thing they found in their deserts for sustenance were camels, dates, and lizards.
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Well as I don't enjoy reading orientalist authors, I suppose I won't enjoy reading this. Also, it doesn't matter what a group of small minded racist bigoted christians think about arabs.

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Fillip K. Hitti writes that when there was scarsity of water, Arabs would shove a stick down the throat of a camel and when it would vomit, would drink the excretion. And look at their arrogance now that they have found new source of wealth in oil.
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Which in turn made them hardy warriors because they used every means necessarry to survive and gain advantages over other people, resulting in them conquering the civilizations of persia, babylon, egypt, phonecia, assyria, india(25% done), and the turk when prophet Muhammed(pbuh) united us.

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Arabs of Arab Peninsula became prosperous for a while in the early days of Islam due to spoils from "Jehad" (call it Arab Imperialism) but later as centers of power shifted to other regions, they reversed back to their pre-Islamic condition as for as social and opolitical life is concerned.
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There is no such thing as arab imperialism. Anything hinting towards this is historically untrue. When bin Qasim invaded sindh, the natives quickly abandoned their yindoo king, Dahir, and abondoned their barbaric paganism and adopting the one true deen. Bin Qasim, and muslim arabs in general, never partook in any massacres, slave trading or looting like western imperialists.

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It is nonsense saying that Arabs civilized Indians.

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Name one structure pre-islam in india that can match the glory of the taj-mahal, jama masjid, red fort or lahore fort. Pre-islam pakistan was a un-civilized place full of barbaric pagans who practiced the caste system, burned their wives at their funerals and worshiped giant penis statues and rat and monkey gods. After the ashraf came, the natives became civilized. That is pre-islam pakistani history. Its a historical fact that even applies to other countries like afghanistan which after the coming of islam became civilized and spread the one true deen to india through ghazi warriors like ghauri. After islam came there was justice.

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And who says Islam brought civilization! While fighting Rida Wars, Khalid Bin Walid killed an Arab Chief on the pretext that he had become "murtad" and while the blood of the chief was wet yet, married his wife. Hadrat Umar took advantage of this and invoked a political campaign against. Hadrat Abu Bakar took great pains to desolve the conflict between the two politicians.
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Whats wrong with killing apostates or marrying the women of men you have conquered?

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Non-Arabs were called Mawalis (plural of Mawla) a derogatory term used to designate the inferior status of non-Arabs compared to the ruling status of Arabs.
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Well it is only natural that the arabs felt this way when you come to lands where people worship penis statues. Just like how today most pakistanis feel superior to hindoo india. Although this in noway justifies any of the discrimination.

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All this "Muslim Amma" talk are non-sense and politics.

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Islam is a complete way of life. Anyone leaving islam is commiting treason on the ummah. So politics is ingrained in islam.

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And how can the sex-power of the ancestors of Sayed be so great as to have given birth to hundreds of millions of Sayeds? All these claims are fake and fabricated to extort privilges from innocent people in the name of divinity.
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Not really. Its an abrahamic custom since the times of moses to take the women of defeated tribes as your slaves which is mentioned in the three books, although the only true book is the koran. Imagine how many arab children would have been born if arab soldiers in invading muslim armies took hundreds of right hand possessions, which is an understatement. Most children take the identity of their father.

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So you’re an Awan? That explains it, when did Awans become of Arab descent? There was a girl on here who use to think she was of Greek descent and she was Awan and now you think you’re Arab, make your mind up guys. :cb:

I have cousins in Attock and there’s lots of Awans there and trust me they look nothing like Arabs or Middle Easterners, when I’m there I can tell the Awans from the ethnically Pashtun people from a mile away.

P.S. Try calling yourself an Arab infront of real Arabs, akal thikaany aa jaey gi.

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I didn’t expect this sort of bullsht from a person of your calibre.

I know Arabs were scummy before Islam and maybe God sent the Apostle PBUH amongst the Arabs because they were most in dire need of reformation but when Islam came it civilised them as it civilised other societies, I know many went slightly off the tracks soon after but that’s their own fault and not because the religion has any shortcoming, the beacon is their for them now if they want to make use of it. It’s idiotic to deny the benefits Islam brought just because a few things it teaches go against your warped sense of righteousness or because of certain Muslims' failure to completely adapt themselves to Islam and refine themselves as it requires.

Arabs may have drunk camel vomit when faced with dehydration but wouldn’t anyone choose that over certain death? Many westerners would drink their own urine if stranded on a desert island without water and as for lizard meat then there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s certainly more appetising than filthy swine. Westerners calling Arabs parasites is laughable because these same Christian westerners are the ones who didn’t bathe for years on end prior to their contact with Arabs who being Muslim practiced good hygiene habits (simple things like soap, shampoo and dental hygiene were introduced to these westerners by Muslims), these filthy people still walk around with unwashed butts and skid mark stained underwear.

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I guess this guy has the same confusion as lot of upper caste Indians have about them being sachchey aryans.. it is sooo hilarious.. if either Syed pra or those upper caste Indians stand before their estranged blood relatives (Germans or Arabs) that it will be a perfect picture moment for cartoon or something. I had an Arab friend called Abbas in university days- dumber than an animal he couldn't even solve a small mathematical puzzle. But I helped him all along with whatever I could including giving him some money when he needed- he wasnt a rich type. After he got a job I tried meeting him but he refused saying he doesnt like to deal with Pakistanis as we are "not" at par with arabs as such and he was bearing with me as I was trying to get close to him.. ppl from our villages go to work in Arab countries and are treated very badly.. maybe Syed shud and try giving this lecture to his brethen in Riyadh..
I have seen many dark-skinned Awans... Zia-ul-Haq is an example. they look very South Asian to me.

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Interesting read, may be that is why.

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Yes I’m an awan. Its silly to say that I’m not an arab. When christians invaded south america and civilized the pagans there to a degree, they intermixed with them but some have 100% european ancestry. Similarly, in pakistan there do exist arabs, persians and turks who have kept themselves seperate from the natives, and this isn’t about race or caste etc. If you had the choice you would marry someone from your own culture. Infact, most of the ruling class in pakistan, from the cities of multan and lahore, can claim central asian ancestry. Again this has nothing to do with race or caste, just a historical fact.

So far its only been the native pakistanis that have brought up race, caste system and skin color. I’mm just referring to historical facts that India was civilized by arabs, persians, turks and afghans who spread the true deen in the subcontinent. Prior to this, india resembled certain areas of modern day africa but probably worse. That is indias, pakistans and bangladeshs history prior to the introduction of islam.

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Thanks for the information, Syed Bhai. Please tell me where do they live so that I can meet them. Never heard anyone anyone linking their ancestory to other countries except India before.

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Arabs of Arab Peninsula became prosperous for a while in the early days of Islam due to spoils from "Jehad" (call it Arab Imperialism) but later as centers of power shifted to other regions, they reversed back to their pre-Islamic condition as for as social and opolitical life is concerned. It is nonsense saying that Arabs civilized Indians.

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What is this so called farcical arab imperialism? There is no such thing and never will be. If your trying to equate the spread of islam with arab imperialism I must humbly say you are mistaken. You shouldn't even think to think about this topic as its totally ridiculous and asinine. Totally asinine.

Which part of the world are you from LastOfTheDinosaurs?

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This is nacked racim no matter how much you try to conceal it behind phrases like "historical facts" etc. By the way, where are the Persians, Turks, and Arabs of Pakistan that have kept their blood pure? I see them nowhere! And what is special about this Arab, Persian, and Turk blood?

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If you had the choice you would marry someone from your own culture. Infact, most of the ruling class in pakistan, from the cities of multan and lahore, can claim central asian ancestry. Again this has nothing to do with race or caste, just a historical fact.
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Again very unhealthy and seclusionist thinking! Come on man, be yourself than be associated with others. Pride is in accepting your reality whatever it is and not running away from it.

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I'mm just referring to historical facts that India was civilized by arabs, persians, turks and afghans who spread the true deen in the subcontinent. Prior to this, india resembled certain areas of modern day africa but probably worse. That is indias, pakistans and bangladeshs history prior to the introduction of islam.
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As a matter of historical fact, Subcontinent was civilized long ago. Arabs learnt civilization from Persians, Egyptians, Hindustanis, etc. with whom they came into contact while on their imperialist spree. Until then, the common Beduine Arab even didn't know how to count! Islam was mostly spread by tribal people like Arabs, Barbars, Turks, etc. because the prospects of "mali-ghanimat" cater to their needs as well as lured their instincts.

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Wars of Arabs in the name of Islam were actually for Arab imperialism no matter how hard you try to give it other interpretations. Study history objectively.

I am a Pashtun and have more in common with the people of the Subcontinent, besides other neighbors like Persia and Central Asia, than the distant Arabs. However, this doesn't mean I am trying to be a Persian, Central Asian, or South Asian. I am ontented with what I am!

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:Salute: :k:

Just one thing, I can understand you not wanting to be Persian or Urdu/Hindi but South Asian or Central Asian are just geographical names not ethnic labels, I say Pashtuns are Central Asian because my definition of Central Asia (never mind the CIA and USSR definitions) includes Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Afghanistan and Western Pakistan (NWFP-FATA and Balochistan).