An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

The person killed by Khalid Bin Walid was Malik Bin Naveera who was a tribal chief, a good poet, and a friend of Hadrat Ummar. Khalid Bin Walid had heard that his wife is very beautiful. Hadrat Ummar had put intense pressure on Hadrat Abu Bakar to punish him for the murder but Hadrat Abu Bakar was able to force Khalid Bin Walid only to return the "mal-i-ghanimat". Khalid Bin Walid retained the wife of Malik Bin Naveera.

Actually, this was all politics. Hadrat Ummar considered Khalid Bin Walid to be too independent minded to be handled easily in future.

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

Yes broader Central Asia extends to those limits bot in sense of geography and culture and language but still we have our own individuality. One should not make false claims (like sayeds) or associate oneself with others as adjuncts.

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

It completely baffles me that how people can feel proud to be part of a certain tribe or race. Sorry to say but to me it is completely moronic.

What is YOUR contribution is what you should be proud of. And even then not proud but thankful to God.

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I know where you’re coming from but people are going to identify us with a larger group no matter what and I’d rather Pashtuns be identified with the Iranic ethnic groups than the Indic, I know we have similarities with the Indic but they are limited and we share more of a heritage with the Iranic group of which we are a part.

Sometimes it’s necessary to identify with a broader identity, there’s a pan-Arabic identity, there’s a pan-Turkic identity, pan-Indic (Desi) identity and there should be a pan-Iranic family of ethnic groups united upon our shared heritage, sadly we Pashtuns get lumped with the Desis because of Pakistan’s imperialistic Desi language/culture but if Pakistan was recognise it is multi-ethnic and give every language equal status as Urdu/Hindi then our culture will strengthen which will automatically strengthen our ties with those to our west.

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This is nacked racim no matter how much you try to conceal it behind phrases like "historical facts" etc. By the way, where are the Persians, Turks, and Arabs of Pakistan that have kept their blood pure? I see them nowhere! And what is special about this Arab, Persian, and Turk blood?
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Well then view it as you wish. Noone mentioned anything special about arab, persian or turkish blood. Infact its been the aboriginals that have resorted to reactionary labeling inorder to create a pre-manufactured sterotype of myself.

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Again very unhealthy and seclusionist thinking! Come on man, be yourself than be associated with others. Pride is in accepting your reality whatever it is and not running away from it.

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I don't see how this is relevant to my post.

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As a matter of historical fact, Subcontinent was civilized long ago. Arabs learnt civilization from Persians, Egyptians, Hindustanis, etc. with whom they came into contact while on their imperialist spree. Until then, the common Beduine Arab even didn't know how to count!
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I'm not referring to persia and egypt. With great anguish I will admit that these areas had a semblance of what can be termed civilization prior to the arrival of islam, however I am specifically arguing about india. India has never produced anything worth of value to the world and I think Lahore981 would agree with me. Prior to the arrival of islam, india was a hodge podge of philistine tribes resembling modern day africa. This can also be extended to pakistan. Name one structure in pakistan or india that can match the glory of the ones the ashraf built.

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Islam was mostly spread by tribal people like Arabs, Barbars, Turks, etc. because the prospects of "mali-ghanimat" cater to their needs as well as lured their instincts.
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Thats only partially true. When timur lenk was deciding on invading the pagan tribes of india or china his main purpose was to become a ghazi, not only to destroy these tribes by taking their wealth and women. So I would advise you to not obfuscate history with your own narrow prejudices. I don't see why we have to disown our history because suddenly in the eyes of the crusaders it is boorish to claim your spoils of war.

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Wars of Arabs in the name of Islam were actually for Arab imperialism no matter how hard you try to give it other interpretations. Study history objectively.

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Thats's a crass lie. Anything to even relate the spread of islam and arab imperialism is token zionist propoganda. Are you even a muslim yourself?

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

http://www.geocities.com/pak_history/muhajirs.html
Some of us have greater pedigree than the aboriginals. Historical fact.

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

mods please close this racist thread where everyone is trying to find their origins based on some internet sites... We Pakistanis are obsessed with our looks, skin color.. no wonder we never cared for Bangladeshis cuz they are shorter, darker skinned ppl and are willing to go to any length to appease ahsaan faramosh afghanis or fair-skinned Kashmiris.. Whether its old Punjabi aunty putting a kg of makeup in Lahore or Pathans finding Mohajirs untouchables in Karachi, we are a racist breed which although takes pride in following a religion thats a great equalizer and advocates not to distinguish fellow human being based on looks yet are completely opposite to its teachings.. allah save us from ppl like SyedAbdullah.. There was a bhatti Rajput friend of mine in Lahore who had similar arguments about bhattis like SyedAbdullah.. Once we friends thrashed him with punches and kicks- now he's okay... We punjabis are large-hearted and we cant have any genetic similarity with kameena Arabs.. Yes, sikhs/hindus of north india share blood bonds with us..

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

How am I a racist? None of my beliefs even remotely resemble racism but are more in tune with Sir Syed, one of the last members of the mughal empires aristocracy who is well respected in certain circles of pakistan polity for saving the empire! Its you natives that want to fly their hindu kites who are a danger to this nation.

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I ask you-- Would our aristocracy like that a man of low caste or insignificant origin, though he be a B.A. or M.A., and have the requisite ability, should be in a position of authority above them and have power in making laws that affect their lives and property? Never! Nobody would like it . A seat in the Council of the Viceroy is a position of great honour and prestige. None but a man of good breeding can the Viceroy take as his colleague
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I do not wish to speak in the interest of my own co-religionists, but to express faithfully whether I think the country is prepared for competitive examination or not. What is the result of competitive examination in England? You know that men of all social positions, sons of Dukes or Earls, of darzies and people of low rank, are equally allowed to pass this examination. Men of both high and low family come to India in the Civil Service.
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But as regards Indians, the case is different. Men of good family would never like to trust their lives and property to people of low rank with whose humble origin they are well acquainted
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Think for a moment what would be the result if all appointments were given by competitive examination. Over all races, not only over Mahomedans but over Rajas of high position and the brave Rajputs who have not forgotten the swords of their ancestors, would be placed as ruler a Bengali who at sight of a table knife would crawl under his chair.
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Therefore if any of you-- men of good position, Raïses, men of the middle classes, men of noble family to whom God has given sentiments of honour-- if you accept that the country should groan under the yoke of Bengali rule and its people lick the Bengali shoes, then, in the name of God! jump into the train, sit down, and be off to Madras, be off to Madras!
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And let us suppose first of all that we have universal sufferage, as in America, and that everybody, chamars and all, have votes. And first suppose that all the Mahomedan electors vote for a Mahomedan member and all Hindu electors for a Hindu member, and now count how many votes the Mahomedan members have and how many the Hindu. It is certain the Hindu members will have four times as many because their population is four times as numerous. Therefore we can prove by mathematics that there will be four votes for the Hindu to every one vote for the Mahomedan. And now how can the Mahomedan guard his interests? It would be like a game of dice, in which one man had four dice and the other only one.
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I will only point out that there are at this moment in Ireland thousands of men ready to give up their lives at the point of the sword. Men of high position who sympathise with that movement fear neither the prison nor the bayonets of the police. Will you kindly point out to me ten men among our agitators who will consent to stand face to face with the bayonets? When this is the case, then what sort of an uproar is this, and is it of such a nature that we ought to join it?
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What is this nation of ours? We are those who ruled India for six or seven hundred years
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We do not live on fish; nor are we afraid of using a knife and fork lest we should cut our fingers. Our nation is of the blood of those who made not only Arabia, but Asia and Europe, to tremble. It is our nation which conquered with its sword the whole of India, although its peoples were all of one religion
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Can the Mahomedans suppress the Hindus and become the masters of our "Self-Government"? In Calcutta an old, bearded Mahomedan of noble family met me and said that a terrible calamity had befallen them. In his town there were eighteen elected members, not one of whom was a Mahomedan; all were Hindus. Now, he wanted Government to appoint some Mahomedan; and he hoped Government would appoint himself. This is the state of things in all cities
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The time is, however, coming when my brothers, Pathans, Syeds, Hashimi and Kereishi, whose blood smells of the blood of Abraham, will appear in glittering uniform as Colonels and Majors in the army
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Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

SyedAbduallah you are a filthy low life scum bag.

You are a shame to Muslims, fine be racist but don't pretend to be Islamic at the same time, fear Allaah, you want to read up on the evils of 'assabiyah, may Allaah guide you or destroy you.

Pedigree? What are you a dog?

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

Sorry for stereotyping all Arabs.

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Where have I been racist? I keep being accused of being a racist but I have never made one racist comment on this site. Infact its some specific native pakistanis that have been using racist pedantry by calling me a sandniggah or saying arabs are un-civilized.

Pedigree in this context refers to men who have been raised in the art of speech, maths, governance, culture, religion and science. It has no racial context. That is largely the creation of the natives.

When arabs, persians and turks colonized india we had to resort to using men we knew were loyal to us and the deen. There might have been some chaudaries or rajputs that "converted" but they couldn't be trusted. Its a historical fact that the rulers of the muslim empires in the subcontinent were of foreign descent, mainly from the civilized lands of arabs, persians and turks. Even today, many syeds, quereshis or mirzas make up the majority of the ruling class in pakistan, which is probably a legacy from the days of empire building.

I kindly ask you to apologize to me and renege everything you have said that insults my personal honor.

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

I refuse to post from now on unless faruk khan apologizes for those crude remarks.

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

Is it because I'm an arab you refuse to apologize to me?

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

faruk please do not apologize to rajeev, aka syedabduallah

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rajeev beta you broke your promise after 4 hours........please do not post again until faruk apologizes.

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Hey don't you think a sufi tombstone looks similar to a shiv lingam?:D

You sufis should stop harassing me; I'm just waiting for faruk to ask for forgiveness and plead for me to accept his apology.

Re: An Arab asks:Why Is There So Much Hate Inside Us?

Human Nature ...

all r not good .... alll r not bad