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Today I had dinner with my American Pakistani friends and I asked them the same question and they were like yea its right, we ain't getting married here. And I was like why? and they were like 'dude the girls here ... kanoon ko haat lagayaing' , but than someone asked them if they will be willing to go marry someone from their pind, and they were like 'No, they are just pure embarrassment' ... :D
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thats really sad namaan. but hey watever floats your boats :k:
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okay, so what exactly is their plan then since no one is good enough for them
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just keep walking… don’t hold your breath for us 
aww kinay shareef hain 
Today I had dinner with my American Pakistani friends and I asked them the same question and they were like yea its right, we ain't getting married here. And I was like why? and they were like 'dude the girls here ... kanoon ko haat lagayaing' , but than someone asked them if they will be willing to go marry someone from their pind, and they were like 'No, they are just pure embarrassment' ... :D
haha, you know the company you keep....shuts up
:D
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Namaan, so who are they gonna marry?
I think part of the problem is that desi boys have been raised with really hyped up egos. They think they're better than everyone.
Oh well. They'll miss the mirch masala when their non-Pakistani wife slops stew onto their plate.
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All Im saying is stop looking down on ABD's because we were born in a different country. Our parents have worked HARD to give us what we have today and it makes my blood boil when someone insults all their mehnat by calling us sluts or loose ONLY because we were born in the US, UK or Canada.
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Jaahils don't get that concept Psquared - welcome to our judgemental society.
Its not my personal opinion.
One of them did mention Gori
All Im saying is stop looking down on ABD's because we were born in a different country. Our parents have worked HARD to give us what we have today and it makes my blood boil when someone insults all their mehnat by calling us sluts or loose ONLY because we were born in the US, UK or Canada.
I totally agree. Rather I found girls over here more hardworking and closer to life. But than there is flip side of the picture that attracts people more.
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Thats the issue Nomi, its not really a flip side. Its an assumption based on Western culture and what other people perceive it as.
Its not reality...thats my point.
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watch it
"Oh, I'm a gori and pakis think i must be loose" " oh pakis don't understand when a woman talks to a another man, all pakis must torture their women"
i feel sorry for whatever sterotrypes you have faced, but please get over it. Us pakis/muslims don't have it that easy either.
Ok, that being said. What I meant in the original post, and I didn't want to be this specific originally, was that chances of an american bron/raised desis being invovled in sexual activites b4 marriage, is higher than a paki born/raised.
That's just probabilty my friends. So don't argue with me, it's all in the numbers.
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Where are those stats?
It's harder to get away with these things in the US, because parents watch the girls here like hawks.
Now, for desi guys, yeah maybe they're getting more bootie in the US, than the guys in Pakistan, but that's just because a woman is more likely to sleep with someone who can actually carry a conversation in English and doesn't have a 711 "Can I get you a slurpie, sir?" accent.
Thats the issue Nomi, its not really a flip side. Its an assumption based on Western culture and what other people perceive it as.
Its not reality...thats my point.
hehe ... abb saray app jasay achaay tu nahi hotay na jee :@:
man, there are a lot of angry ppl on this forum... seems like people have taken the "either you're with us or you with them" thing a little too seriously. take it easy ppl. Bush is gone...
who are all these expat Pakistani boys and girls who're so messed up? most of the kids I saw in school were decent people. similarly, I can't imagine most of the guys from my school in Pakistan doing any of the things that guys in Pakistan are being accused of doing in this thread...
on a different note though I do think that our generation of expats will have to do some soul searching... either we're super conservative... where it's haram to talk to someone from the other gender. which is fine if the parents then have a network and can help their kids get hitched eventually. but you can't be conservative, etc and live in your own little bubble. what will the kids do then... a recipe for disaster. something that our community will have to ponder over... otherwise we as a community might get into trouble some years down the road.
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My view on this is:
somwhat likes 'Yei_boi's (though however unfortunately)
Some desi-paki-born-raised men prefer women from back home as the probablity of back-home girls being chaste are more than the probability of desi paki ones.
And one Golden Rule for chicks to remember:
No Matter decent/indecent Desi or Paki Boy, He always wants a Wife who is Virgin.
How are paki-borns more preferable?
A persons personality is judged from they way he dresses and presents himself to society.
The Majority of back-home-paki women dress and behave MODESTLY with society- which lends them the more decent image. These are the working class and college/uni going/staying home girls. They are brought up with high social pressures and relgious upbringings. They know thier limits of interaction. And are usually more obidient and co-operative with thier husbands. Usually are more cultured and can fit in with family.
In contrast:
The Majority of Desi-paki-girls have more free attitudes to whatever dressing and mixing with the opposite sex, independance which gives them the unfavourable stereotypes.
Many of these 'open' desi-pakis also 'openly' have boyfriends, hence girls who mix with them or resemble them will be prone to get the similar labels.
Also desi-paki girls are usually more demanding than back-home girls hence men who want less stress and like co-operatives ones go for the latter.
I also understand nowadays some 'decent' back-home pakistani women from good households also have boyfriends. But unlike 'open' desi types they keep it 'closed' from society hence less damaging impressions.
Also as these girls have strong social pressures and are more religiously aware in upbringing the probability (and evident real life examples) that they have done something physical (the important part) is far less.
This is not to say that there are no decent desi-paki girls. Ofcourse thier are.
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Yea Boi and Pindi Sahab,
The majority of American Born Desi's are much more conservative then their Pakistani Born relatives. There is a bigger emphasis on religion in US born desi's whereas in Pakistan, its more culture then religion...two things people find hard to differentiate between.
I see it all the time in the immigrants and everytime I go to Pakistan. From what Ive noticed, religion is becoming harder and harder to find there.
To top it all off, my ABCD friends are actually living with their inlaws with no plans on moving out. My best friend lives with her inlaws, another one lives with her inlaws plus all of her devars (she is also hijabi), another one moved to Pakistan for a while, sister will be living with her inlaws in a few months, another ABCD friend LIVES WITH HER NAND, etc etc etc. The demands you speak of are probably: air to breathe, water to drink and food to eat...things you might think women arent entitled to. :)
The expats are all living on their own with their husbands and kids. My very own aunt is one of them. The more recent wedding I went to was one where the bride demanded an American wedding dress (nevermind the fact that she couldnt speak English and came here less then a year ago) and a promise from her MIL to let her move out with her husband TEN MINUTES before the Nikah.
We seem to think products of Pakistan are automatically going to be more Pakistani - whatever that means. We also seem to think products of USA will be more Western or Americanized - whatever that means. The reality is, in the zeal to become more Western or modern...people are losing their identity. The ABCD that was once thought of avara, chalak and taiz is actually more conservative then people thought. That is the reality from what Ive seen and I live in a VERY large Indo-Pak community where I am surrounded by such examples.
The thing is, our largely conservative Pakistani brothers would like to believe ABCDs are easy and loose. Why do they think this way? Because it would be nice to have some fun away from home. I think we should ask these guys about their success rate here and then judge. For some odd reason, I highly doubt anyone is getting anywhere with any of the ABCD girls because in that case...............they wouldnt be here............venting.
Thats not to say there arent good people in Pakistan...of course there are.
Nice and Open-minded view P-Squared. It is true that the cultural influences are possibly more than the religious of back-home women causing them to behave more modestly.
However my point was that stereotypes/judgements on people/groups which is the root of PCG'S curosity, derive from the way us people behave infront of society.
For example what person wears, his behaviour towards people, his out-and-abouts.
Indeed many back home 'decent-household' women are also crafty and loose but there relations are not done openly, hence less damage to paki-girls reputation.
Indeed many of them once migrated to the 'west' and get that 'green card' do illustrate 'over-night personality changes'.
However unless someone/society knows you from beforehand they will 'judge' or be 'fooled' by your outward projection of yourself. - This is especialy true for girls since level of decency is usually of higher importance than thier education/profesional level.
And Desi-girls who might be decent, but dress or behave rather 'freely' could get shortlisted as the 'no', by those very busy- to go into depth- guys or mummies hunting for 'potential wives/brides.'
Personally Speaking - As as beauty is important to me. I Find that generally paki-born girls possess greater beauty compared to desi counterparts. I am speaking factually an by careful observation.
So unless a Perfect desi-girls pops up infront of me soon. I am going back home. :p :p
Thats ^ just me. Everybody has different views.