Am I a confused Christian?

[Beststarter]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

Catholicism would reject my idea yes!. But i am just asking question based on my rational thinking. I have said that i am not religious person but consider myself to be follower of Jesus not your prophet Mohammad. I think this point should explain better.

I agree... trying to convert the girl... when she's obviously trying to be faithful to her own religion... is not the solution. Definitely not what she was looking for to begin with. As Muslims there is definitely nothing wrong with us helping someone to strengthen their own faith even if it's different from ours. The world needs better humans, whether the are Christian or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu makes very little difference.

If there are genuine arguments or genuine answers to delve deep into the philosophical nature of this question... by all means go for it. If the only answer is "read the Quran... go towards the Quran..." then really you are doing no one any novelty.

[Aussindian]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

By saying all religions are man made - it does not make me an atheist. It makes me a progressive person, who questions 'blind faith'. I still call my self a Hindu - even though I do not believe in a lot of things there.

I believe all these so called wind God, fire God, Son of God, Prophets and Angel's are a figment of imagination of some men(women). All these stories of Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark etc are
an attempt to explain the unknown.

My contention is let humans with progressive minds continue to question the old beliefs, till we have better knowledge and understanding of the true "Creator".

[psyah]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

By saying all religions are man made - it does not make me an atheist. It makes me a progressive person, who questions 'blind faith'. I still call my self a Hindu - even though I do not believe in a lot of things there.

I believe all these so called wind God, fire God, Son of God, Prophets and Angel's are a figment of imagination of some men(women). All these stories of Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark etc are an attempt to explain the unknown.

My contention is let humans with progressive minds continue to question the old beliefs, till we have better knowledge and understanding of the true "Creator".

Peace Aussindian

I would like to expand on this ... you say that all religions are man-made, yet you fail to provide valid evidence of it. It is a claim you make without proof. On the other hand multiple witnesses documented in hadith in Islam show that those multiple witnesses have documented the events they talk about to such confirmation ... according to historians who understand the science of reference - it is categorical historical proof. To stand up and put Islam in the same basket as other religions which were less fortunate to not having scholars who took interest in authenticity and reproducing verbatim without adulteration ... is being fraudulent with good sense ...

Furthermore, if Islam can demonstrate that it is not a man-made religion in the sense that men did not sit down and devise it - then it shines on other religions too ... We hold that every culture at one time had guidance from God, but people changed the ways they were taught to suit their own fantasies.

[Aussindian]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

Psyah: A lot of emotions are attached with one's religion, as such excuse me for saying this:

Where is the proof for anything, any of the Gods/prophets said.

*Jesus, Son of God - no proof
Mary, virgin - no proof
Resurrection, - no proof
Adam/Eve - no proof
Noah's ark - no proof
Prophet alone in cave, talking to God, - no proof.
Ganga river, Hindus bathe in it, & it purify our sins - ?? No proof
Muslims go to heaven, non muslims to hell - no proof.
Etc etc

• Common sense, sometimes forces us to question blind faith - it does not mean PakiQueen is confused. Just curious.

[psyah]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

Psyah: A lot of emotions are attached with one's religion, as such excuse me for saying this:

Where is the proof for anything, any of the Gods/prophets said.

*Jesus, Son of God - no proof Mary, virgin - no proof Resurrection, - no proof Adam/Eve - no proof Noah's ark - no proof Prophet alone in cave, talking to God, - no proof. Ganga river, Hindus bathe in it, & it purify our sins - ?? No proof Muslims go to heaven, non muslims to hell - no proof. Etc etc

• Common sense, sometimes forces us to question blind faith - it does not mean PakiQueen is confused. Just curious.

Peace Aussindian

Yes your questions are valid ... but so are the reverse questions ...

*Jesus not the Son of God - any proof?
Mary not a virgin - any proof?
Resurrection, - any proof for or against?

and so on ...

The problem is your starting point in the line of questioning is wrong. In a situation where something can neither be proven or rejected then other things must be done in order to gain weight regarding the matter.

Some people resort to their personal experiences and say "because I have never seen such a thing I cannot believe it to be true" ... however others will look for signs and evidence to support their arguments.

For example there is a claim "the Qur'an was a product of people's work" this can be tested ... in fact the Qur'an itself brings the test to us ... "Bring one verse like it" ... also the way it has been narrated and brought to us multiple witnesses have confirmed that the Qur'an had been revealed before their eyes when Muhammad (SAW) used to receive the Word he used to experience a weighty thing and deliver it while others used to document it. To say otherwise is to make the claim without proof ... We also have multiple character witnesses that confirm the truthfulness of Muhammad (SAW) ... and reason makes us realise that he (SAW) lived in humbleness and did not gain material wealth from his prophethood ... all of these add credibility to the religion.

There is no way we can know that Mary (AS) was a virgin, but with the Qur'an that has been demonstrated as being the Word of God - at least there is no choice to believe that any other humans did not add or subtract from it ... ths books confirms her virginity and also states that Jesus (AS) is not God.

In the absence of direct proof we have to gather empirical evidence and deduce by analogy and using these methods we can see there is far more supporting the ideas in religions than going against them ... *

[Aussindian]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

Psyah: If we accept blind faith, there would there be no need to increase our knowledge. As humans we will stop progressing, or thinking. The christians will live in the past of 2000 years ago, the muslims 1400, and the hindus 5000 years ago.

Islam: Photograpy,music, singing, dancing, pigs(pork), alcohol are bad/haram.
Eve was conceived through adam's ribs, etc etc

Hinduism: Cow is sacred, no eating beef, prayng to different Gods and Goddess's. Stories about Krishan, Ram & Sita, Hanuman, Ravan etc etc. Ganga came from the hair of some goddess. Mother earth goddess took Sita away etc etc.

I repeat, all religions are man made, exceptional people (Gods/Prophets) wanted to set rules and regulations for society - to gain credibility they spoke about being 'son of God', or having 'spoken' to God, etc etc.

If we as humans have to continue to progress with knowledge, technology and science, we need to question the old beliefs, and be progressive.

[Aussindian]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

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[pakiQueen]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

There is no compulsion in faith. pakiQueen ... you do what you feel is right. We have only suggested that you look in to Unitarianism to facilitate your needs as some of us here knew about them. As Muslims we hope through our love and concern for others that they embrace Islam, but by no means are we allowed to impress the point. The one who God guides none can lead astray, the one who God leaves to go astray, none can guide. May God enlighten your heart.

Peace be to you psyah. Question for you. How does being a Muslim will guarentee you to paradise?. According to Muslims we Christians are considered to go hell. Even Christians think Muslims will to hell because of the difference of belief. So how does someone being a Muslim or matter of fact Christian would go to heaven?

[pakiQueen]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

I never in my post doubted your follwoing of Jesus(A.S) and neither did I impose that you should convert. The sole point of my post was to show you that your questioning only makes me feel that you are looking for contenment, a comfort zone within your way of thinking but also wanting to remain inside the circle of belief you were born into. You don't necessarily have to be religious to feel that way. My suggestion to you is to look into the said believe system that falls under the larger umbrella of Chrisitanity just to be aware that there are those who believe and feel the same way as you now do. just knowing might help in easing and satisfying your doubts.

Sorry Rari. My respond was more toward tabassum not you. You are right about one thing though. I am trying to find answer to this rational thinking. Because think about it. Human is a human whether he is Prophet, Messenger whatever. So how come a human being is given a status of God. Because to me. God Almighty is all powerful and have power over everything. So why not we only worship him riiiight. Thanks for being sweet.

[pakiQueen]

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By no means, it is directed to you PakiQueen, but somehow your words reminded me of an ayah (verse) in Quran refering the Jewish. It's in the second surah (Al baqarah) and ayah (verse) 91: 2-91. *And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad PBUH) to them: "Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?" *Couldn't hold myself to not mention it here.

This is whole different topic. I personally think Jews were or sect of Jews have killed Jesus too. So this part make sense only.

[pakiQueen]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

I agree... trying to convert the girl... when she's obviously trying to be faithful to her own religion... is not the solution. Definitely not what she was looking for to begin with. As Muslims there is definitely nothing wrong with us helping someone to strengthen their own faith even if it's different from ours. The world needs better humans, whether the are Christian or Muslim or Jewish or Hindu makes very little difference. If there are genuine arguments or genuine answers to delve deep into the philosophical nature of this question... by all means go for it. If the only answer is "read the Quran... go towards the Quran..." then really you are doing no one any novelty.

All i could say was Word. I am not trying to look for other religion as my alternative. Thanks for being ubber sweet Beststarter.

[_RestLess]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

Psyah: A lot of emotions are attached with one's religion, as such excuse me for saying this:

Where is the proof for anything, any of the Gods/prophets said.

*Jesus, Son of God - no proof Mary, virgin - no proof Resurrection, - no proof Adam/Eve - no proof Noah's ark - no proof Prophet alone in cave, talking to God, - no proof. Ganga river, Hindus bathe in it, & it purify our sins - ?? No proof Muslims go to heaven, non muslims to hell - no proof. Etc etc

*Common sense, sometimes forces us to question blind faith - it does not mean PakiQueen is confused. Just curious.

Just like this is a visible world, there is an unseen world. If someone has a clean heart, God gives him/her access to the unseen world. Holy people, good-hearted people can go back and forth in both worlds. Satan of really high caliber can also get into the unseen world, but upto a limit

The unseen world is enormous, there are blessings and mysteries and miracles.

Modern science cannot explain these things, because it forms its basis on visible things.

[Aussindian]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

Restless - That was your belief, however is there any proof .? As humans we do not have the full knowledge of who the Creator is (God), or if there is indeed a heaven & hell.

Perhaps in the future, we will learn of other planets having intelligent beings - with different beliefs and different Gods.

What I am saying is there is a possibility of so many things, humans have to continue searching for answers, we cannot just sit and say the Quran, Bible or Gita has all the answers! And End our search for knowledge.

[Monk]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

Psyah: A lot of emotions are attached with one's religion, as such excuse me for saying this:

Where is the proof for anything, any of the Gods/prophets said.

*Jesus, Son of God - no proof Mary, virgin - no proof Resurrection, - no proof Adam/Eve - no proof Noah's ark - no proof Prophet alone in cave, talking to God, - no proof. Ganga river, Hindus bathe in it, & it purify our sins - ?? No proof Muslims go to heaven, non muslims to hell - no proof. Etc etc

• Common sense, sometimes forces us to question blind faith - it does not mean PakiQueen is confused. Just curious.

That you will know, when I send you email from heaven to ...you know....

[ShahreyarKhan]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

before you ask anything, ask where is the proof there is God?

[ShahreyarKhan]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

so why would one want to go such a thing? go throw all that hassle?

I repeat, all religions are man made, exceptional people (Gods/Prophets) wanted to set rules and regulations for society - to gain credibility they spoke about being 'son of God', or having 'spoken' to God, etc etc.

If we as humans have to continue to progress with knowledge, technology and science, we need to question the old beliefs, and be progressive.

yes, lets question, my first question is: why bother? why do you bother? why should i bother?

[Monk]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

before you ask anything, ask where is the proof there is God?

aader aa teeno prove dawaan God da....

[Aussindian]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

Restless - That was your belief, however is there any proof .? As humans we do not have the full knowledge of who the Creator is (God), or if there is indeed a heaven & hell.

Perhaps in the future, we will learn of other planets having intelligent beings - with different beliefs and different Gods.

What I am saying is there is a possibility of so many things, humans have to continue searching for answers, we cannot just sit and say the Quran, Bible or Gita has all the answers! And End our search for knowledge.

[ShahreyarKhan]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

no tell me, have you seen Him? heard Him? felt Him?

aader aa teeno prove dawaan God da....

[Monk]

Re: Am I a confused Christian?

no tell me, have you seen Him? heard Him? felt Him?

almost did.
Or my brain is really really really deep, and it has more layer then other people.
Or hmmmm

or some thing unusual.