So ok my thinking is in same line with Unitarian Church minus this son concept. This is why i said that Jesus was human riiight so he can only be a messenger?.
Essentially, then, if you also reject any idea of Jesus (pbuh) being a son of God, and you believe his to only be God's messenger, then you are pretty much in line with the Islamic view that God is One, He has no partners, and He has no son. So there are over a billion other people on this planet who think the same way as you on this, you are most certainly not alone.
Do you have any particular perspective on Saul's conversion on his way to Damascus, when he became Paul? His teachings as Saint Paul were a defining influence on the early evolution of Christian theology.
Unless Muslims can prove Jesus (as) to be dead, christians view in regards to Jesus(as) is superior than Muslims and this alone argument that he is in heavens bodily and is alive , whereas Muhammad PBUH died is in itself is an argument that orthodox Muslims will have no answer to, since they are also the believers of Jesus (as) being in heavens alive bodily since last 2012 years.
Mr.Popat, I am sorry, I did not understand your post. Since when death became the criterion for being inferior or superior?
By your logic, one could argue that Iblis is much more superior than all of the prophets of Allah (May Allah forgive me) since he is still alive and is only going to die when the first trumpet will be blown.
Right but if God has trusted these powers to Jesus why didn't he give same powers to your prophet then??
PakiQueen, this comparison between the two mighty Prophets of Allah is invalid. Each Prophet was given different tools to deliver the message of Truth to the people according to the time and mental capacity of the humanity at that age.
By the same argument, you can start asking questions such as Why it was not given to any other prophet including Jesus PBUH, what was given to Solomon (Suleman) PBUH, i.e. Command over Jins and animals? Or what was given to Moses (9 miracles) was not shared by other prophets as well.
Right but if God has trusted these powers to Jesus why didn't he give same powers to **your **prophet then??
I believe in all the prophets, messengers, envoys of God, all the faithful people, righteous people, truthful people of all the religions
They all are trying to tell the same thing in different ways
How to achieve divinity, how to live to your maximum potential, how to get back to heaven, how to become free of time and space, how to become a perfect human being whom angels prostrate to.
God said to angels, bow to Adam, he is a part of me.
All humans are connected, they have the same origin, they are made of the same material.
Every blessing that is from God is for every single soul that exists.
2112 AD: As science, technology and human understanding grows, we will all agree with the below statement.
"All religions are man made - this is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth".
atheists are the ultimate people with blind faith they say nothing comes from nothing big bang and creation of universe happened by pure chance.
If i said to these athiests can a hurricane go through a junkyard and the wind from hurricane collect all the dust and rubbish to create a jumbo jet 747 aircraft by pure chance they will say you must be joking.
But they have the blind faith to believe this whole universe and its complex matter happening by pure chance.
They will hide behind terms like science and human understanding but there whole argument from the root is based on non science and blind faith!
^In the same way there is no ACTUAL proof of God, his existence or the validity of what we call "scriptures" today...
To be clear, I am a Muslim. But I am also open-minded. I think someone mentioned it very well earler... faith is faith and that's all that can be said. I am a Muslim because it's what I believe... not necessarily what I choose to believe but it makes the most sense to me personally. Atheists are Atheists for the same way, as are Christians, etc.
As for the OP's question... you just have to figure out what it is that you believe. It's possible that maybe you don't fit in to any particular belief of any particular sect. And really.. you don't have to. Sects and organization really have no place in religion because you may not always believe everything one sect tells you to. As a Muslim I find this problem all the time, I don't always believe in Hanafi Fiqh, sometimes I connect more with Shafi or Maliki, or have some different interpretation which I believe to be true. That can be the case with all religions.
Finally... I have no idea what Mr. Popat is arguing but it is a logical fallacy nonetheless. The mere fact that Muslims don't believe Jesus died does not make it any more or less probable for him to be divine. To that same respect, if Muslims DID believe that Jesus did in fact die that would still not make it any more or less probable for him to be divine.
I believe in all the prophets, messengers, envoys of God, all the faithful people, righteous people, truthful people of all the religions They all are trying to tell the same thing in different ways How to achieve divinity, how to live to your maximum potential, how to get back to heaven, how to become free of time and space, how to become a perfect human being whom angels prostrate to. God said to angels, bow to Adam, he is a part of me. All humans are connected, they have the same origin, they are made of the same material. Every blessing that is from God is for every single soul that exists.
And only and only we are able to learn our common goals which is to worship God and be rightful to people that God created.
I havent read all the posts but I would advise that you read the quran and other islamic books. You will no longer be a confused christian. You will inshaAllah be a muslim. Please do look into this my sister.
Also You should check out some of the islamic forums where there are more knowledgeable people who can advise you inshaAllah like ummah forum http://www.ummah.com/forum/
Perhaps if you don't want to change your religion then you might want to ponder over the question as to how you are going to be able to live with this doubt whilst still remaining a part of the Christian community? Surely the belief of every christian is that Jesus is the Son-of-God the Unitarians who don't support this basic principle are not part of the Christian community (**EDIT: They are part of the community though the Catholic church is hell bent in labeling them as out of the circle of Christianity) **however the point I am trying to make is that you only need to discover that zone of contentment so that you are able to ease your doubts and not feeling an outsider in your own community. How you may go about doing that is another matter one that you might want to discover on your own.
Catholicism would reject my idea yes!. But i am just asking question based on my rational thinking. I have said that i am not religious person but consider myself to be follower of Jesus not your prophet Mohammad. I think this point should explain better.
pakiQueen ... you do what you feel is right. We have only suggested that you look in to Unitarianism to facilitate your needs as some of us here knew about them. As Muslims we hope through our love and concern for others that they embrace Islam, but by no means are we allowed to impress the point.
The one who God guides none can lead astray, the one who God leaves to go astray, none can guide. May God enlighten your heart.
Catholicism would reject my idea yes!. But i am just asking question based on my rational thinking. I have said that i am not religious person but consider myself to be follower of Jesus not your prophet Mohammad. I think this point should explain better.
I never in my post doubted your follwoing of Jesus(A.S) and neither did I impose that you should convert. The sole point of my post was to show you that your questioning only makes me feel that you are looking for contenment, a comfort zone within your way of thinking but also wanting to remain inside the circle of belief you were born into. You don't necessarily have to be religious to feel that way. My suggestion to you is to look into the said believe system that falls under the larger umbrella of Chrisitanity just to be aware that there are those who believe and feel the same way as you now do. just knowing might help in easing and satisfying your doubts.
Catholicism would reject my idea yes!. But i am just asking question based on my rational thinking. I have said that i am not religious person but consider myself to be follower of Jesus not your prophet Mohammad. I think this point should explain better.
By no means, it is directed to you PakiQueen, but somehow your words reminded me of an ayah (verse) in Quran refering the Jewish. It's in the second surah (Al baqarah) and ayah (verse) 91:
2-91. *And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad PBUH) to them: "Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?"
2112 AD: As science, technology and human understanding grows, we will all agree with the below statement.
"All religions are man made - this is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth".
Faith is an ocean, science has only managed to get a bucket out of it. Science is still in its infancy, it has alot of catching up to do :)
Find the most talented person on earth, and ask him to create one leaf, one cell of a human body, one drop of water, one speck of sand, one snow flake, one atom even ...
Science and faith go hand in hand, they are not separate. The ancient and legendary scientists were very spiritual people
God is the one who gives inspiration to the scientists, he speaks to their intuition
Quotes by Einestein:
I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details
Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
The only real valuable thing is intuition.
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
Isaac Newton:
It is the perfection of God's works that they are all done with the greatest simplicity
God created everything by number, weight and measure.
Hazrat Ali:
Submission to Allah's Will is the best companion; wisdom is the noblest heritage; theoretical and practical knowledge are the best signs of distinction; deep thinking will present the clearest picture of every problem