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I find this unsettling majorly with the Christian belief, if Jesus is God then who Resurrected him when he died?
Im a Muslim and my belief states that God doesn't have the characteristic of dependency on anyone/anything & has no needs.
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Prophet Jesus was born without a father, he could speak when he was in the cradle. He could bring the dead person back to life, he could give sight to a blind person, he could cure very many diseases just by touching people.
But he was not the God, neither was he the son of God. God did his work through him. He was a servant of God.
God trusted Jesus with some of his powers.
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I know what Muslims believe STA. Which is interesting because bible refers Jesus to be God. And how can God be a human?. I also believe Jesus's second coming too!. Now as per my question am I a confused Christian???
Peace pakiQueen
The Bible does not ever refer to Isa (AS) as God .... The closest it gets to it is where it states "I and the Father are one" meaning to me that God's intention is the same as Jesus'. Some people don't interpret this as a saying.
Others refer to him (AS) as Son of God, but he always calls himself son of man. Many people other than Jesus are called Son of God in the Bible ... So this should not be taken literally according to us. There were many branches of Christianity, but the Trinitarians dominated and early Christianity was responsible for the deaths of the true followers of Cephas ... Or Peter Simon ... The true inheritor of the religion not Paul.
In the Quran there is a story of true followers of Jesus, they called the People of the Ditch. A boy amongst them became so devout that was able by permission of Allah to avoid being killed by miraculous methods.
Study the Bible carefully and you will see that most the places that we differ are down to interpretation.
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PakiQueen, why can he not be God? He is perhaps the only one who has gone up to heavens and will literally come back. Do you not think thats pretty impressive? He can't just be a human being right? He was someone much more than that, with Godly powers and possibly God ? ( to this statement, i do expect some criticism from my Muslim fellows, but its ok )
Unless Muslims can prove Jesus (as) to be dead, christians view in regards to Jesus(as) is superior than Muslims and this alone argument that he is in heavens bodily and is alive , whereas Muhammad PBUH died is in itself is an argument that orthodox Muslims will have no answer to, since they are also the believers of Jesus (as) being in heavens alive bodily since last 2012 years.
Peace Mr.Popat
Your contribution is a taunt and is wrong. If you had any sense then the very Christians who believe Jesus is God believe Jesus died too ... So if you are appealing to the 'cause and effect' reason you always employ then your argument fails here.
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Perhaps if Islam is too much for you to take in then consider reading up about this …
They are Christians who do not deify Christ.
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Peace Mr.Popat
Your contribution is a taunt and is wrong. If you had any sense then the very Christians who believe Jesus is God believe Jesus died too ... So if you are appealing to the 'cause and effect' reason you always employ then your argument fails here.
My argument does not fail. You are very well a believer of literal second coming of Jesus(as), and insist that you are not taking him as God or son of God. Whereas, christians are believer of their second coming too... though, i understand their reason of why they would think He was son of God, or God himself. But what i fail to understand is why do you not believe in him to be someone much greater than just a mere human being.
How i wish someone here could tell Christians how Jesus (as) died and how if He was God or son of God, He shouldn't have died. But no, that would actually hurt your belief in saying that , and by you not saying this would strengthen their belief.. So, carry on folks!
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My belief is that all religions are man made. They were made by exceptional human beings, trying to make rules & regulations for humans (as they understood it, in their time).
The older religions, had a less undertanding of fire, sun, wind - and as such called them 'gods' (eg Hinduism).
The newer religions such as Christianity and Islam - make rules & regulations for society, and yet had a similiar understanding of creation of earth (adam, eve), their knowedge of science, Galaxy, angels etc (in this day & age) can now be termed as 'primitive' or 'unscientific'.
As humans, science and society has progressed, so has our brains. So it is natural to question old beliefs.
You are not confused - just a progressive human being.
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My argument does not fail. You are very well a believer of literal second coming of Jesus(as), and insist that you are not taking him as God or son of God. Whereas, christians are believer of their second coming too... though, i understand their reason of why they would think He was son of God, or God himself. But what i fail to understand is why do you not believe in him to be someone much greater than just a mere human being.
How i wish someone here could tell Christians how Jesus (as) died and how if He was God or son of God, He shouldn't have died. But no, that would actually hurt your belief in saying that , and by you not saying this would strengthen their belief.. So, carry on folks!
Please don't hijack this thread with your questions ... if you want start up another thread we can discuss it there ... Peace
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My belief is that all religions are man made. They were made by exceptional human beings, trying to make rules & regulations for humans (as they understood it, in their time).
The older religions, had a less undertanding of fire, sun, wind - and as such called them 'gods' (eg Hinduism).
The newer religions such as Christianity and Islam - make rules & regulations for society, and yet had a similiar understanding of creation of earth (adam, eve), their knowedge of science, Galaxy, angels etc (in this day & age) can now be termed as 'primitive' or 'unscientific'.
As humans, science and society has progressed, so has our brains. So it is natural to question old beliefs.
You are not confused - just a progressive human being.
And the basis of this great insight is? I mean what proof have you of such a theory? And why would all of these so called people be great yet lie to other humans about how they came by their teachings?
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that stuff is pretty much common sense, psyah. for a second, think with an open mind free of scriptures and biases.
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PakiQueen, why can he not be God? He is perhaps the only one who has gone up to heavens and will literally come back. Do you not think thats pretty impressive? He can't just be a human being right? He was someone much more than that, with Godly powers and possibly God ? ( to this statement, i do expect some criticism from my Muslim fellows, but its ok ) Unless Muslims can prove Jesus (as) to be dead, christians view in regards to Jesus(as) is superior than Muslims and this alone argument that he is in heavens bodily and is alive , whereas Muhammad PBUH died is in itself is an argument that orthodox Muslims will have no answer to, since they are also the believers of Jesus (as) being in heavens alive bodily since last 2012 years.
Ok i am so sorry but your comment went over my head. :(
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Prophet Jesus was born without a father, he could speak when he was in the cradle. He could bring the dead person back to life, he could give sight to a blind person, he could cure very many diseases just by touching people. But he was not the God, neither was he the son of God. God did his work through him. He was a servant of God. God trusted Jesus with some of his powers.
Right but if God has trusted these powers to Jesus why didn't he give same powers to your prophet then??
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I find this unsettling majorly with the Christian belief, if Jesus is God then who Resurrected him when he died? Im a Muslim and my belief states that God doesn't have the characteristic of dependency on anyone/anything & has no needs.
SEEE this is what i mean here. Thanks for posting your comments majesty. This is the reason i fail to understand Jesus as God. omg looking at sky to see thunderbolt to hit PQ.. :(
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do you understand Urdu, PQ?
Yes I do khalil.
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Well pakiqueen, your belief about Jesus (pbuh) as stated in your original post deviates from the stances of Catholic Church, Coptic, Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches, and the Protestant Churches. However, you aren't the only Christian to have started thinking this way. 500 years ago in Poland the movement that became the Unitarian Churches began (eventually they were deported out of Poland for refusing to convert back to Catholicism and ended up in Hungary, Holland, the UK and North America). Unitarian Christians reject the idea of the Trinity, instead holding that God is one and is the entity identified as The Father. They still believe that Jesus (pbuh) is his son, but do not believe that this made him divine. In rejecting the Trinity, Unitarians do not ascribe partners to God (in common with the Islamic perspective), but they still believe Jesus (pbuh) to be his son (something which still sets their theology very far apart from Islam). -------------------------------------- Personally, (and to be open I am Muslim), I find the Christian concept of Jesus (pbuh) being God's son, even within the Unitarian concept of him being a non-divine son, to be quite perplexing . What need would God have for a son, divine or otherwise? What would make one of God's creations a son rather than a creation that He loved? The schools I went to from age 7 onwards had mandatory religious education classes that focused almost entirely on Christianity and as such in my childhood I actually had much more formal education in Christianity and Christian theology than I did in Islam. But the perplexing nature of Church teaching on Jesus (pbuh) compared to the clear and (to my perspective) logical presentation of his nature in Islamic texts always left me feeling that Islam's teachings made more sense.
So ok my thinking is in same line with Unitarian Church minus this son concept. This is why i said that Jesus was human riiight so he can only be a messenger?.
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that stuff is pretty much common sense, psyah. for a second, think with an open mind free of scriptures and biases.
I don't see people being able to create whole religions ... Cults may be, but not whole religions .... The scriptures are always part of the equation. It doesn't appear so common to me ... I need evidence.
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Ok so i am Christian as some of you might know. I think the question is really to someone who shares same belief as me. I don't believe Jesus to be any deity. But i do believe he was messenger of God. He being god doesn't make sense to me. I know our belief considers Jesus to be son of God. But i am really having hard time and struggling to understand this. Can someone shed some more light into this matter?. P.S. I am not religious person so please don't kill me. I am just curious.
my advice very simple you have the doubts in Christianity because these doubts are true and why your belief is conflicting.
we belive isa(as) is a prophet sent with message he not a god, neither can god be 3 in this trinity nor is he human etc.
there lot of people christian and muslims who belive in their religion just in blind faith if i ask them simple question they get stuck can't answer
Only if you think rationally and study each belief like i did can you come to conclusion that islam is the truth and will give you the peace of mind you seek.
Did adam (peace be upon him) have father or mother?
Ans-No
Then wtz new about Jesus(peace be upon him) born without father....
Islam is a true religion!!!
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if you doubt, its not faith.
THIS
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I don't see people being able to create whole religions ... Cults may be, but not whole religions .... The scriptures are always part of the equation. It doesn't appear so common to me ... I need evidence.
You know psyah....hmmmmm... well I had a djavu..
Ok.... I had worst discussions with non-muslims.. I never ask them to show respect to my religion.
I want them to say what's in their heart.
As a result my own faith gets shaken. Or stay on the edge.
But you know I can deny this one fact ever..
When I think about the prophets' saying about the things he never dealt with.. I become speechless...