Though irrepairable damage has not caused by Mush in his last 9 years of rule?
All of you who are waiting with baited breath for Zardari to let Mushy win, must be extremely disappointed today when Zardari made very serious allegations of financial irregularities against Mushy (that Mushy has embezelled 70 crore dollars of US aid meant for fighting terrorism). Personally I think Zardari is blowing smoke (its not easy hiding 70 crore dollars), but regardless, this will further muddy the already very murky political waters in Pakistan and make things even nastier.
This general posted as core commander Peshawar embezzled tens of millions of dollars, now living at his estate in Islamab. It is unlikely, Mushi and his coterie alone pocketed the terror money...In all likelihood the money has gone to finance the terrorists in FATA as well as subsidize the lavish life-style of other Army generals togethor with political clique sorrounding Musharaf.
Musharaf may have lost face and the popularity contest but Sharief is a buffoon but Zardai can cause irrepairable damage to. Pakistan. Watch out.
He definitely can, he has all the "potential" of doing it, all he has to do is carry-on what Mush was doing re war against terror, political manipulations to survive etc.
MY opinion is... Mushy would do a GREAT favour to Pakistan if he uses 58-2(b) - desolve the parliament. Then reverse the November 3 NRO - meaning put Zardari and Nawaz either in jail or extradite them. Then reinstate the judges back to normal, and then put in legislation banning zardari and all other corrupt people from participating in elections, bring in a new selected people to run the government in emergency and then either resign.
Atleast this way many people will be happy that PPP is out of power and if elections held again, I am sure PPP wont get as much votes.
Allah hafiz
He is past that point now, Zardari is calling shots, if he uses 58-2b and reverses NRO then God save his life and Pakistan.
Re: Alternative view on impeachment
Exactly, no one, including his former masters, saudis, army, or even his lota league is ready to back him if he uses 58 2b.
Speaking of alternative views on impeachment, the following two editorials by the frontier post are eye opening:
"Welcome to real democracy
Just consider this: the Frontier Corps withdrew from Lowi Sam region of the Bajaur Agency on Saturday after fighting a 72-hour pitched battle with the militants, in which they claim to have killed 80 to 100 soldiers of the paramilitary force, capturing 25 of its vehicles, including two tanks, destroying its vehicles while suffering five to ten casualties of their own. The force, which was backed up by helicopter gunships, fighter planes and tanks in the fighting, asserted to have inflicted heavy casualties on the militants, while it admitted to the death of its ten soldiers and injuries to 15 others in the battle. Also, just consider this: militants stormed a village police station in Buner district on Friday, shot to death all the eight policeman present there; Fazlullah's militant outfit claimed the responsibility, with its spokesman ringing up the Mingora journalists to warn, "We would continue targeting government functionaries till the withdrawal of troops from Swat". Consider this, too: masked men opened fire on government servants standing outside their homes on Saturday in Matta tehsil's Sherpalam area on Saturday, killing three of them and wounding two others. The same day, militants blasted off a bridge linking Matta with Chapperyal, abortively attempted to blow up another bridge in the region and wiped out with explosives a basic health centre in Kishwara area of the militancy-infested Swat valley. Also consider this: gunmen snuffed out in two separate terrorist acts two personnel of the Balochistan Constabulary in the provincial capital city of Quetta on Saturday.
This is just a random take of last week's two days alone. Fuller account would be far much scary, far more dreadful and far more horrific. By every consideration, the FATA region is in flames; parts of the NWFP are in flames; and Balochistan, too. To add to our vows, the Americans and their NATO allies in Afghanistan are threatening to trespass into our territory in hot pursuit of the Taliban fighters and to destroy what they allege the Taliban's sanctuaries and al-Qaeda's safe havens in our tribal areas. To compound our grief, our troubled regions in the vicinity of Afghanistan have become the fishing ground of the alien intelligence agencies and the hotbed of their dirty games. As if that was not enough of it, the nature too has been very angry with us. With flash floods, it has wreaked havoc on us in Sindh, Punjab and NWFP amid glaring official apathy to the dole plight of its victims. And at this point in time, when the people are groaning screamingly under a punishing price hike, the prices of essential commodities like flour, rice, sugar, edible oils and tea have just skyrocketed and are skyrocketing unchecked. While petty shopkeepers and traders are fearfully witnessing their sales in a nosedive slump to throw them out of their business and into bankruptcies, the people are crying with hunger, starvation, unemployment and squalor. Just to refresh your memory, just a cup of tea at a roadside flies-infested shabby eatery costs neatly Rs.7, a piece of roti, now much shorter in size and much lighter in weight, Rs.4, a plate of pulse or vegetable Rs. 35, and a meat plate Rs.40. And these are the eateries that are frequented by low-paid employees and low-earning groups that barely make Rs. 4,000 a month and have large families back home to support. These are the places the daily wage-earners also repair to, who earn a pittance for a few days they get a job and live paupers for most of days they are jobless.
Yet, has the parliament been called to deliberate on the existential threats to this country or to ponder over the people's painful distresses and woes? NO, it has been not. Has the NWFP Assembly been convened to discuss the militancy rampaging the province so blithely or the ravages of the Peshawar flash flooding? NO. Has the Punjab Assembly been summoned to debate the flood havoc in DG Khan and Rajanpur and the saddening predicament of its forsaken affectees? NO. Has the Sindh Assembly met to review the flood destruction in the interior Sindh and the succour and relief for the populace left ruined and devastated? NO. Has the Balochistan Assembly been called to discuss restoration of peace to the troubled province and pull it out its people from their unenviable predicament? NO. Yet, all the assemblies have been called; and you know what for. Definitely, not to discuss the people's grievances and the extremists' and aliens' threats to its existence; it is for something else that indeed comes compellingly to the new leadership to fructify its own political agendas. But this leadership crows to anyone who cares to listen to it that it is the harbinger and the pioneer of real democracy in the country. So welcome to new Pakistan, now a real democracy. Still, the sages say that democracy is the government of the people, by the people - and for the people. Really? "
Re: Alternative view on impeachment
"Snake in the grass
By cunningly roping in his coalition allies in his cherished impeachment foray, Mian Nawaz Sharif has stabbed fatally in the back the lawyers' movement for the reinstatement of deposed judges, and pushed the PPP into a predicament from which it cannot come out without being deeply gored and mauled. More horrifically, he has simultaneously hurtled the nation in a tailspin, from which one knows not if it will emerge intact at all, and in what shape if not, although one fervently hopes that the retired general even now would back down and make an exit, if for nothing else but to return the compliment to the nation which has been so good to him as to see him through to its state positions and had also put up with his dictatorial rule for nearly a decade.
Nonetheless, the lawyers could have been only the last to get seduced and beguiled by such a deceitful character as Nawaz. They are a very learned, mature and sensible lot, who for their intimate knowledge couldn't be unaware that he alone had had the singular honour in this nation's annals of having its Supreme Court physically attacked by his party storm troopers and chasing its frightened judges to flee for their lives.
The lawyers had to take with a pinch of salt his pretences of having reinvented himself into a lover of judiciary's independence. If nothing else, his swift chameleon-like shifting of stances on the judges' reinstatement should have made them wiser to his instinctive cunning and deceit. What according to his own pious vows was to be his first has now become his last; and only the divine powers know if it at all this too would stay so with him or again gives way to yet another self-perpetuating expedient move of his. But it really beats the sense that the PPP too has fallen for his deceptive contrivance when over the years it has been bitten by his venomous fangs over and over again. Only a loony could believe that this protégé of the praetorian generals, this graduate of the garrisons' political academies and this hatchet man of the intelligence agencies could ever become a reformed democrat. It was he who became the head honcho of the agencies' IJI political engineering work to keep the PPP at bay from its legitimate claim to power. It was he who felt no qualms in taking money from Osama bin Laden to topple late BB's elected government. It was he who pledged no dirty trick against her second government on the first day of its inauguration but the very next morning he was on the war path, huddling up with the powers-that-be to oust her, and successfully.
And if someone is still harbouring the sweet delusion that this character that once actively toyed with the idea of becoming Ameerul Momineen, a law unto himself and an unchallenged and unaccountable ruler of a theocratic state to be founded by him, would ever want an Asif Zardari and not a Rafiq Tarar in the presidential mansion, he is just living in a fool's paradise. Let this impeachment foray be over, and he will show his true colours. Yet, the PPP leadership would do well to understand even now that out there is snake in the grass and that its bite is deadly poisonous. If it doesn't, it will then repent, mourn and cry. "
Re: Alternative view on impeachment
Can you format that so its readable?
"Snake in the grass
By cunningly roping in his coalition allies in his cherished impeachment foray, Mian Nawaz Sharif has stabbed fatally in the back the lawyers' movement for the reinstatement of deposed judges, and pushed the PPP into a predicament from which it cannot come out without being deeply gored and mauled. More horrifically, he has simultaneously hurtled the nation in a tailspin, from which one knows not if it will emerge intact at all, and in what shape if not, although one fervently hopes that the retired general even now would back down and make an exit, if for nothing else but to return the compliment to the nation which has been so good to him as to see him through to its state positions and had also put up with his dictatorial rule for nearly a decade.
Nonetheless, the lawyers could have been only the last to get seduced and beguiled by such a deceitful character as Nawaz. They are a very learned, mature and sensible lot, who for their intimate knowledge couldn't be unaware that he alone had had the singular honour in this nation's annals of having its Supreme Court physically attacked by his party storm troopers and chasing its frightened judges to flee for their lives.
The lawyers had to take with a pinch of salt his pretences of having reinvented himself into a lover of judiciary's independence. If nothing else, his swift chameleon-like shifting of stances on the judges' reinstatement should have made them wiser to his instinctive cunning and deceit. What according to his own pious vows was to be his first has now become his last; and only the divine powers know if it at all this too would stay so with him or again gives way to yet another self-perpetuating expedient move of his. But it really beats the sense that the PPP too has fallen for his deceptive contrivance when over the years it has been bitten by his venomous fangs over and over again. Only a loony could believe that this protégé of the praetorian generals, this graduate of the garrisons' political academies and this hatchet man of the intelligence agencies could ever become a reformed democrat. It was he who became the head honcho of the agencies' IJI political engineering work to keep the PPP at bay from its legitimate claim to power. It was he who felt no qualms in taking money from Osama bin Laden to topple late BB's elected government. It was he who pledged no dirty trick against her second government on the first day of its inauguration but the very next morning he was on the war path, huddling up with the powers-that-be to oust her, and successfully.
And if someone is still harbouring the sweet delusion that this character that once actively toyed with the idea of becoming Ameerul Momineen, a law unto himself and an unchallenged and unaccountable ruler of a theocratic state to be founded by him, would ever want an Asif Zardari and not a Rafiq Tarar in the presidential mansion, he is just living in a fool's paradise. Let this impeachment foray be over, and he will show his true colours. Yet, the PPP leadership would do well to understand even now that out there is snake in the grass and that its bite is deadly poisonous. If it doesn't, it will then repent, mourn and cry. "
It is nothing but a rhetoric with unsubstantiated accusations wrapped around conspicuous words to impress upon not only the enlightened moderates but to those factions within PPP who have their ties with the tyrant himself, and that too with an obtrusive wishful thinking that these words may create some rift among the coalition partners. It’s an odious way of looking at an effort to rid the evil from a country to which he has made his den.
Re: Alternative view on impeachment
^ Agreed, to me it just seems like those seething supporters of the dictator who are still living in 1999, and Musharraf was the best thing that ever happened to them.
Speaking of alternative views on impeachment, the following two editorials by the frontier post are eye opening:
"Welcome to real democracy
Just consider this: the Frontier Corps withdrew from Lowi Sam region of the Bajaur Agency on Saturday after fighting a 72-hour pitched battle with the militants, in which they claim to have killed 80 to 100 soldiers of the paramilitary force, capturing 25 of its vehicles, including two tanks, destroying its vehicles while suffering five to ten casualties of their own. The force, which was backed up by helicopter gunships, fighter planes and tanks in the fighting, asserted to have inflicted heavy casualties on the militants, while it admitted to the death of its ten soldiers and injuries to 15 others in the battle. Also, just consider this: militants stormed a village police station in Buner district on Friday, shot to death all the eight policeman present there; Fazlullah's militant outfit claimed the responsibility, with its spokesman ringing up the Mingora journalists to warn, "We would continue targeting government functionaries till the withdrawal of troops from Swat". Consider this, too: masked men opened fire on government servants standing outside their homes on Saturday in Matta tehsil's Sherpalam area on Saturday, killing three of them and wounding two others. The same day, militants blasted off a bridge linking Matta with Chapperyal, abortively attempted to blow up another bridge in the region and wiped out with explosives a basic health centre in Kishwara area of the militancy-infested Swat valley. Also consider this: gunmen snuffed out in two separate terrorist acts two personnel of the Balochistan Constabulary in the provincial capital city of Quetta on Saturday.
This is just a random take of last week's two days alone. Fuller account would be far much scary, far more dreadful and far more horrific. By every consideration, the FATA region is in flames; parts of the NWFP are in flames; and Balochistan, too. To add to our vows, the Americans and their NATO allies in Afghanistan are threatening to trespass into our territory in hot pursuit of the Taliban fighters and to destroy what they allege the Taliban's sanctuaries and al-Qaeda's safe havens in our tribal areas. To compound our grief, our troubled regions in the vicinity of Afghanistan have become the fishing ground of the alien intelligence agencies and the hotbed of their dirty games. As if that was not enough of it, the nature too has been very angry with us. With flash floods, it has wreaked havoc on us in Sindh, Punjab and NWFP amid glaring official apathy to the dole plight of its victims. And at this point in time, when the people are groaning screamingly under a punishing price hike, the prices of essential commodities like flour, rice, sugar, edible oils and tea have just skyrocketed and are skyrocketing unchecked. While petty shopkeepers and traders are fearfully witnessing their sales in a nosedive slump to throw them out of their business and into bankruptcies, the people are crying with hunger, starvation, unemployment and squalor. Just to refresh your memory, just a cup of tea at a roadside flies-infested shabby eatery costs neatly Rs.7, a piece of roti, now much shorter in size and much lighter in weight, Rs.4, a plate of pulse or vegetable Rs. 35, and a meat plate Rs.40. And these are the eateries that are frequented by low-paid employees and low-earning groups that barely make Rs. 4,000 a month and have large families back home to support. These are the places the daily wage-earners also repair to, who earn a pittance for a few days they get a job and live paupers for most of days they are jobless.
Yet, has the parliament been called to deliberate on the existential threats to this country or to ponder over the people's painful distresses and woes? NO, it has been not. Has the NWFP Assembly been convened to discuss the militancy rampaging the province so blithely or the ravages of the Peshawar flash flooding? NO. Has the Punjab Assembly been summoned to debate the flood havoc in DG Khan and Rajanpur and the saddening predicament of its forsaken affectees? NO. Has the Sindh Assembly met to review the flood destruction in the interior Sindh and the succour and relief for the populace left ruined and devastated? NO. Has the Balochistan Assembly been called to discuss restoration of peace to the troubled province and pull it out its people from their unenviable predicament? NO. Yet, all the assemblies have been called; and you know what for. Definitely, not to discuss the people's grievances and the extremists' and aliens' threats to its existence; it is for something else that indeed comes compellingly to the new leadership to fructify its own political agendas. But this leadership crows to anyone who cares to listen to it that it is the harbinger and the pioneer of real democracy in the country. So welcome to new Pakistan, now a real democracy. Still, the sages say that democracy is the government of the people, by the people - and for the people. Really? "
The author of this op-ed probably forgot what was going on in FATA/Baluchistan for last 2-3 years, what was the then govt doing to eradicate these problems, blaming it on present times is very easy.
Re: Alternative view on impeachment
IMHO musharraf's time has come and he is not going to survive this. He may save his skin by the help of his foreign supporters (KSA, Turkey, USA, etc) but he is cannot survive as a president anymore. He cannot use 52b in current environment as army is not backing him. And no political party will come forward to support him as well.
Now the real question is which of the following is true
- Zardari and Nawaz are sincere and they really think it helps the nation
- Musharraf has expired his shelf life and US is briging forward its new stooges
IMHO musharraf's time has come and he is not going to survive this. He may save his skin by the help of his foreign supporters (KSA, Turkey, USA, etc) but he is cannot survive as a president anymore. He cannot use 52b in current environment as army is not backing him. And no political party will come forward to support him as well.
Now the real question is which of the following is true - Zardari and Nawaz are sincere and they really think it helps the nation - Musharraf has expired his shelf life and US is briging forward its new stooges
I hope nobody is holding their breath for that. The only reason Nawaz is behind this is "revenge", nothing else and Zardari is only helping him (atleast apparently) because there was support for CJ in almost all the parts he visited last year. So by impeaching President Zardari is probably thinking of getting a boost in popularity.
Re: Alternative view on impeachment
Looks like Rehmat Shah Afridi the editor of frontier post contnues to expose Nawaz Sharif.
"
Rehmat Shah Afridi criticises Nawaz
Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Frontier Post Chief Editor Rehmat Shah Afridi criticised Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif in a TV interview on Tuesday and showed documents that he said were proofs of the former prime minister’s corruption.
The veteran journalist claimed that the PML-N chief had once earned Rs 330 million in a day by allotting 24 sugar plants to various people. He also alleged that Nawaz wanted to give the contract for developing the Gwadar Port to a defaulted American company in 1999. Afridi said Nawaz had received a huge sum of money from Osama Bin Laden in Madina in the name of jihad. He told Osama he would assist Gulbadin Hekmatyar and Haji Zaman, but the warlords did not receive a penny.
Nawaz brought to Pakistan Rs 1.49 billion of the sum and used Rs 270 or Rs 290 million of it against Benazir Bhutto in the 1990 no-confidence move.
Jamaat-e-Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmad also knew about this money, Afridi said.
He said Nawaz had betrayed and robbed all his friends and would “throw [Pakistan People’s Party Co-chairman] Asif Ali Zardari across River Ravi” when he found the opportunity.
Afridi said Nawaz came to his house in 1999 and called him his brother. Nawaz also called Muttahida Qaumi Movement chief Altaf Hussain his brother, but set up military courts in Karachi on the pretext of a rape case, he said.
He said he had said in a report he published that there were more rapes in Punjab during Shabaz Sharif’s government than in Sindh and therefore it was Punjab that needed military courts.
He also criticised the National Reconciliation Ordinance and said Zardari had also been involved in corruption. Afridi said he had refused to give false statements against Zardari and Benazir Bhutto in court."
Looks like Rehmat Shah Afridi the editor of frontier post contnues to expose Nawaz Sharif.
" Rehmat Shah Afridi criticises Nawaz Daily Times Monitor
LAHORE: Frontier Post Chief Editor Rehmat Shah Afridi criticised Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif in a TV interview on Tuesday and showed documents that he said were proofs of the former prime minister’s corruption.
Thanks to Musharraf for washing away those sins clap.
