Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip

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Take out first paragraph, than change MQM to PPP, PML(N), MMA or Mullahs. Altaf to their respective leaders and muhajirs to punjabis, sindhis etc and eveything fits the bill.

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ZAB :(

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He was okay.. not bad but too hyper and would give speeches like he's acting.. much like ShahRukh Khan.

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I didn't read from anywhere- People write with their own bias, sir. I spoke with elders who were witness to partition. thankfully, I didn't speak to a bewakoof like Asma Jahangir but I have spoken to ppl across Pakistan and they all say that number of Hindus and Sikhs killed/displace may be in a few thousands and the number's more than a few million for muslims.. Allah muslims ko bachay...

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If you counted the Muslims of Bangladesh, then the Muslim population of Pakistan of today would be almost double that of Pakistan...
Besides, I doubt India has any accurate data regarding Indias Muslim population.

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So true...

Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip

Well off Pakistan?? Which planet do you live on Mr.???

Allow me to make your silly record straight!

When Pakistan was created it had no reserve to pay even the salary for its government servants.

For some it was like waking up in the morning and discovering that they are now Pakistani but for others it was going through blood bath for the sake of religion only.

Muhajirs meaning those who came to Pakistan land from India not only brought wealth to Pakistan but also worked for free to keep the government machinery running. Many many muhajirs and outsiders donated to Pakistan.

Uneducated majority of locals (unfortunately they still are) did not have a single clue how to do business, deal with other governments, run the factories let alone establishing small industries which became giant sources of revenue for the country.

Running schools, colleges and universities needed educated people and majority of muhajirs were well above qualified for this.
UPites, Bengalis and Biharis were pHD's and professors who tought in schools and colleges at low income.

They knew english better to understand the legal process created by british govt.

Main source of revenue has always been Karachi a non-agricultural land feeding the poorest of poor all over the country including the army budget.

Islamabad was built on PutSun money from East Pakistan (Mujeeb mentioned it in his visit to west Pakistan) plus foreign aid. First time Pakistan got into debt at high level was when stupid decision was made of changing the capital city and building islamabad.

Agriculture has been considered as the main source of income but thats a hoax.

People who gave the most to Pakistan still have (no victim mentality here) less respect in the country. (I do know many non-muhajirs who do respect 'individually' and are thankful to Muhajirs). Anti-karachi sentiments were even seen in games and players. Non-muhajir commentators criticized Karachi players openly.

Muhajirs had to deal with quota system and domicile system as well.

Anyone in the country was welcome and was allowed to have double or more domicile certificates including one from Karachi but karachiites not only could not get domicile from outside karachi but even in their own city had to go through lengthy paperwork and had to wait for weeks to prove they are indeed karachi residents.

yes we see non-mohajir in army in majority but there are many many reasons for it. Many Karachiites were simply refused to join the army for silly reasons like weight and height limit ony made for non-muhajirs. Bengalis were aso refused for the same reason.

Many Army institution exams were available for Karachiites but during interviews or in application form questions were asked such as who do you have relatives in the army already as a reference or where were you parents born? Newspaper ads for Govt clearly said..........Urban Sindh residents need not apply.

Bengalis the patriotic Pakistani were treated badly despite being in Majority. They did not have fuedal system and eventually lost to brutal fuedal system in west. Majority of the key posts in govt in east pakistan were given to west pakistani mostly punjabis.

Sindh is divided into urban and rural but no other province is. To creat the distinction among the citizens.

Now coming to Altaf comments: its irresponsible and condemnable remarks made on foreing soil by a person who thinks of being the leader of another country but lives (or forced to live) in another country.

I see muhajirs just as Pakistani as anyone and calling them traitor will get nowhere. Pakistan enemy want to see Pakistani call each other traitor like in the past.

There is nothing wrong in being called muhajirs for identification purpose only when others are also proud to call themselves Punjabis, sindhis or pustoons etc.

Eventually all are Pakistani and must act like Pakistani to work for better and bright future of the country.

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Great post! This post is short listed for my 'bestoftheyear2007' list.

Re: Altaf Hussain says creation of Pakistan a ''Mistake'', Video clip

After India's partition and Pakistan's creation, the Muslims from India were not accepted by Pakistanis. They are 'makkars', 'bhayyas', 'muttarwas', 'panah-geera', and 'hindustooRa'. They were discriminated against, taunted, and often assaulted physically. They were not considered 'proper' Pakistanis as they were not 'sons-of-soil' and the 'sons-of-soil' questioned their 'qaumiyat' and their national cred.

Well, some children and grand-children of those 'makkars', 'bhayyas', 'muttarwas', 'panah-geera', and 'hindustooRa' refused to put up with the abuse, adopted an insult as their ethnic identity and formed a political group which would rival their taunters and abusers. They got so bad at the badness which was the bailiwick of their tormentors that the tormentors resorted to critiquing their choice of ethnic label again. I guess chickens came home to roost.

Pakistanis don't have a problem with MQM, it's their latent racism against Muhajirs or 'makkars', 'bhayyas', 'muttarwas', 'panah-geera', and 'hindustooRa' and MQM is a convenient lighting-rod for this. Today it's MQM, yesterday it was Muhajirs inability to adopt to "assimilate" with native culture, tomorrow it will be something else.

Muhajirs are Pakistan's jews.

PS: Now, there will be a flurry of posts about how MQM has hijacked Muhajir nation or MQM supporters should be sent to gallows/dogs (as someone suggested in my Commend & Feedback thread) or Muhajirs need to become more Pakistani. My response to all that is: You all are responsible for today's reality in Pakistan whether you like it or not.

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I have met many punjabis who think that creation of Pakistan was a mistake. Another nice little historical gem is the support of Unionist Punjabis who opposed creation of Pakistan until they learned the "hindu" agenda of agri/land reform unpalatable to their fedual mindset.

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Do you know any Indian muslims or do you know what kind of lives they are living these days? I am curious if this statement is based on any factual references or just a theory.

I don't disagree.

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I agree with the rest of your post although I question the quoted part.

  1. I don't think that's true.

  2. Are there any choices available to Muhajirs? Benazir butchered them via General Babur. Nawaz was another... Imran Khan wants General Babur to help his law suit against MQM (how can Imran call himself defender of Justice when General Babur butchered innocent muhajirs in Karachi). So, what are some of the choices available to muhajirs who refuse to put up with crap they put up with for decades.

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MQM (Altaf) has at many times got its own people butchered. That puts MQM in the same seat as the rest of them butchers.

Emphasis then falls on choosing the lesser evil. If a choice has to be made between bad and worse, bad would be a good option. Using your argument of who butchered how many muhajirs, Imran Khan so far has butchered none. He may not be the ideal choice but he certainly is better than the other candidates.

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Cheegum so given your approach..why not vote for musharraf/shaukat then ?atleast they have shown some results. Imran is so far only talk with the exception of going after Altaf.

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I don't condone any of that. My point is that Imran's position smacks of hypocrisy and would turn-off many muhajirs from supporting him.

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Emphasis then falls on choosing the lesser evil. If a choice has to be made between bad and worse, bad would be a good option. Using your argument of who butchered how many muhajirs, Imran Khan so far has butchered none.
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Imran hasn't butchered any but he surely wants to ally himself with someone who has. What does it do to Muhajirs who don't want to support MQM but whose sons/brothers/etc came in the lapaitaa of General Babur's MQM operation and their bodies were found with holes drilled in their bodies.

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He may not be the ideal choice but he certainly is better than the other candidates.
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Yes he is better than other candidates but a candidate who's better than other idiots is still a pretty lousy choice.

Muhajirs are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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If you have some time to waste, I recommend watching his interviews on Jawab-deh and Aghaaz on YouTube. Listen to his views about:

  • fallahi riayast i.e welfare state (but no plans on ways to pay for it -- this is in a country that can't pay decent wages to their policemen i.e. the first defenders of insaaf). He has a great vision but no plan to achieve it. What people don't understand is that fallahi riyasat's cost $$$$$.

  • "imported" Prime Ministers meaning PM Aziz. I am paraphrasing Imran K here:
    We don't need imported PMs. We need local leaders. "Imported" talent gave Pakistan its nukes. Pakistan needs "Imported" PM with ties/understanding of foreign markets & finance. Why reinvent the wheel?

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Yeah he hasn't butchered none except fathering 15 babies with Sita White/Blue/green/red etc... what a joke this launda Imran khan is.. no character and a known playboy and he wants to lead an Islamic nation. He talks of Quran m more now then ever before.. But yes, I support his stand on Altaf.. I feel Maulana Fazl-ur-Rahman would be the best choice.

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Wohi to bol raha hoon yaar. Choose between the rock and the hard place. Choose the one thats even significantly slightly less hard.

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So Imran Khan doesnt have any plans. What plans do the others have?

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none what so ever. imran on the other hand atleast has a cleaner slate and wider achievements as an individual.