Re: Allegations Against Ahmediyya
d-tox..ed;
is it a free style or there is any topic in this thread.
Re: Allegations Against Ahmediyya
dtox, i think there is no point of writing long posts as all the allegations to which you're replying to are on the Ahmadiyya Jamaat's official site in urdu with the title of " aetraazaat ke jawabaat ".. and they're found in english as well. If they're willing to learn, they will go to the site, or will keep their mouth shut.
dtox, i think there is no point of writing long posts as all the allegations to which you're replying to are on the Ahmadiyya Jamaat's official site in urdu with the title of " aetraazaat ke jawabaat ".. and they're found in english as well. If they're willing to learn, they will go to the site, or will keep their mouth shut.
It looks like you are in aggressive mood, in contrast to the people of your jammat.
"lugta hay deeel mili hoee hay website mods ki taraf say"
It looks like you are in aggressive mood, in contrast to the people of your jammat. "lugta hay deeel mili hoee hay website mods ki taraf say"
me aggressiveness is not controlled by my jamaat. Yes, there are times when i feel that enough is enough..but hey its just me.. aor rahi baat dheel dene ki.. dheel to aap logoN ko bhi bohot mili hui hai.. jo dil kiya likh diya...maqsad agar doori peda karni hai to dil laga ke karen.. bas duaa meri yehi hai Allah se doori na ho.. baaki aap jese log to duniya mein pehle bhi thay aor aaenda bhi rahen ge.
d-tox..ed;
is it a free style or there is any topic in this thread.
Sir this thread was created to reply allegations against Jamaat Ahmadiyya. We had a lot of threads where users would mix the topics. Hence we created this thread to cater allegations only.
Allegations could be like our Kalima is different (very wrong anology), how many times we offer prayers...allegations of writing and life of Promissed Messiah (A.S)...etc
All other topics like Khatme Nabbuwat etc will need a new thread.
every one must have heard the story(fact not fiction) when sultan noor ud din zangi had a dream 3 consecutive times, where Rasool Allah p.b.u.h is pointing to two men and saying that protect me from them they are teasing me. upon this sultan went to MAdina . after 16 or so days he and his army descended in madina. sultan walked bare foot to masjid e nabvi and proceeded to search for those 2 men who were shown to him in dream. eventually they were found but whole madina vouched for their piety. ppl tried to convince the king that there is none in madina who is more humble and pious and rozadar and namazi than these two.
but they were digging a tunnel from their tent to the grave of beloved prophet on advice and planning of western nations/ romans/ chriatians. so they were beheaded.
to cut this story short that is ahmadiya jammat ...they say look at our jammat...look at our jalsaa....look at our khalifa....is their anyone more peaceful and more pious and more on the right path than us. but they are plants of british govt planted in muslim ummah to cause fitna. they are sabotaging Islam. they are misleading ppl and creating apostates. they have created divide with help of british govt.
they mistranslate quran. reject hadith. they TWIST words. and they are good at it if ppl are ignorant they will be mislead. that is why Allah And RAsool told us to educate ourselves in matters of religion and keep good company. because if u are in bad company u will feel their influence. STAY AWAY from qadiyani/ahmadi ppl.
every one must have heard the story(fact not fiction) when sultan noor ud din zangi had a dream 3 consecutive times, where Rasool Allah p.b.u.h is pointing to two men and saying that protect me from them they are teasing me. upon this sultan went to MAdina . after 16 or so days he and his army descended in madina. sultan walked bare foot to masjid e nabvi and proceeded to search for those 2 men who were shown to him in dream. eventually they were found but whole madina vouched for their piety. ppl tried to convince the king that there is none in madina who is more humble and pious and rozadar and namazi than these two.
but they were digging a tunnel from their tent to the grave of beloved prophet on advice and planning of western nations/ romans/ chriatians. so they were beheaded.
to cut this story short that is ahmadiya jammat ...they say look at our jammat...look at our jalsaa....look at our khalifa....is their anyone more peaceful and more pious and more on the right path than us. but they are plants of british govt planted in muslim ummah to cause fitna. they are sabotaging Islam. they are misleading ppl and creating apostates. they have created divide with help of british govt.
they mistranslate quran. reject hadith. they TWIST words. and they are good at it if ppl are ignorant they will be mislead. that is why Allah And RAsool told us to educate ourselves in matters of religion and keep good company. because if u are in bad company u will feel their influence. STAY AWAY from qadiyani/ahmadi ppl.
O please Aramis sahiba....I am sure I have said a lot on matter of British thingy....abb aap iss baat ko maanane ko tayyar hi nahin...i would suggest put forwards your points that why do you think Jamaat Ahmadiyya is planted by British and not by Allah....(try to read the reply I made to that allegation.
Secondly this is completely right when you say that you would become good if you stay in company of good and vice versa....If you think we are on the bad side then this is your personal view and you have all the right to say this but I also have the right to say that I am on the good side.....keep in company of us and I am sure you would only learn something good rather then bad.
Re: Allegations Against Ahmediyya
going through mirza's books is enough to make u feel gross. i wont say more.
my point is humans tend to see yes he is good namazi razadar and very polite and "LUVS ALL" but truth is there for everyone to see. who is carefull not to be lulled by your lullabyes. keep company of MUSLIMS and not ahmadies if you want to protect your faith. isn't that how one of your(ahmadi gs users) father defected from islam bcz he had a friend who kept on preaching to him. bad company result is loss of your faith.
you have to admit mirza was a faithful slave of british. every one was saying british have made us slaves but mirza was singing britishers praises. he and his family were helping them financilly. who were the british using that stuff that mirza donated? ppl of india and muslims specially bcz they were the rulers overthrown by british.
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Aramis....i do try to be very poltite with you as you are an old friend...however this doesnt mean you start using words like "faithful slave of British"....
I have made a detailed reply on this issue however if you wish to ignore my post and keep on saying the same thing blindly then it is your choice...we just want to see you happy :)
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^^
If you dont mind if you provide a link to that "detailed reply" on this issue.
Though i havent seen that reply other than these points. (1) Wahi (2) Growth (3) Prophesics (4) Religious matters do you have any other point to refurt this allegation.
People have issues with (1) noor ul Deen, (2) jihad against english etc etc.
There you go your requested link:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6634332-post111.html
I didnt get what you wrote in next two paragraphs. Please clarify.
to cut this story short that is ahmadiya jammat ...they say look at our jammat...look at our jalsaa....look at our khalifa....is their anyone more peaceful and more pious and more on the right path than us. but they are plants of british govt planted in muslim ummah to cause fitna. they are sabotaging Islam.** they are misleading ppl and creating apostates**. they have created divide with help of british govt.
they mistranslate quran. reject hadith. they TWIST words. and they are good at it if ppl are ignorant they will be mislead. that is why Allah And RAsool told us to educate ourselves in matters of religion and keep good company. because if u are in bad company u will feel their influence. STAY AWAY from qadiyani/ahmadi ppl.
As much as i try to stay away from having a debate with you, this post of yours forced me to write a word or two about it.
It does not make any sense for british gov't to appoint a person to divide Muslim Ummah whose first argument against the orthodox Muslims and the Christians was that Hazrat Jesus (AS) died a natural death, and is no more coming to the world alive. Do you honestly think a person could say such a thing against His master's ( british as you say ) religion?.. He was perhaps the only one who declared Christian's son of God as dead. How can a person who shook the very fundamental belief of Christian and still be called an agent of British gov't?
One must also not forget the concept of offensive Jihaad, and when it should be declared. However, thats a different topic altogether.. but if you have problem why He praised the British govt then I suggest you read a bit of a history. Learn to separate politics with religion. He (AS) already have had numerous debates with christian missionaries and have defeated them.. but on other hand He (AS) praised the British govt merely because despite all the difference of opinions regarding religions.. they had still given Muslims the right to practice their religion openly, unlike when Sikhs were in power, and Muslims could not say adhaan.
Now coming to your point of fitna.. how is ahmadiyya muslim jamaat a fitna? what do they teach others which is different from Islam? Sure, we tell them Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) is the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi (AS), but we also give reasons why we believe Him to be so. How would that be not Islamic, if we give reasons based on Quran and hadith Islam is not a religion which just became a book of stories after the death of Hazrat Muhammad PBUH. It is a religion which was , is , and will always be alive. You believing in the coming of Imam Mahdi (AS) will not make you a fitna, but as soon as someone actually recognize and accept Imam Mahdi (AS), they're the real fitna..
Ahmadis misinterpret Quran and reject hadith? last time i checked in my Masjid, all they ever give khutba is on the verses of Quran and hadith.
every one must have heard the story(fact not fiction) when sultan noor ud din zangi had a dream 3 consecutive times, where Rasool Allah p.b.u.h is pointing to two men and saying that protect me from them they are teasing me. upon this sultan went to MAdina . after 16 or so days he and his army descended in madina. sultan walked bare foot to masjid e nabvi and proceeded to search for those 2 men who were shown to him in dream. eventually they were found but whole madina vouched for their piety. ppl tried to convince the king that *there is none in madina who is more humble and pious and rozadar and namazi than these two. *
but they were digging a tunnel from their tent to the grave of beloved prophet on advice and planning of western nations/ romans/ chriatians. so they were beheaded.
to cut this story short that is ahmadiya jammat ..
You tried comparing that story (fact as you say) with jamaat e ahmadiyya. Well, im glad atleast you agreed upon one thing, that is that they are humble,pious and rozadaar and namazi. Theres only one slight difference.. in that story.. people of madina said they are the pious people, but in Ahmadiyya jamaat's case, the world is the witness of their true meaning of Islam.. and the true teaching of Islam that they're spreading around the world. These are the things we do to be called Muslims(being pious,namaazi etc ). Now, whether or not ahmadis are digging a tunnel or not is not for you to find out. A true Ahmadi's blood boils when someone dare pointing finger on Islam and Hazrat Muhammad (SAW). Ahmadis are humble,pious, rozadaar and namaazi as per your comparison.. and yes you are right that IS ahmadiyya jamaat.
Muhabbat ke naghmaat gayen ge hum... akhuwat ke taane uraaen ge hum... jahan tak na pohonchi ho awaaz e haq, wahan jaa ke Qur'an sunaaen ge hum.
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Excellent post, Mr. Popat.
Excellent post, Mr. Popat.
ditto.
i said ahmadis piousness is like that of the two men caught trying to steal Prophet Mohammad p.b.u.h's body. i am sooooo glad you agree.
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You tried comparing that story (fact as you say) with jamaat e ahmadiyya. Well, im glad atleast you agreed upon one thing, that is that they are humble,pious and rozadaar and namazi. Theres only one slight difference.. in that story.. people of madina said they are the pious people, but in Ahmadiyya jamaat's case, the world is the witness of their true meaning of Islam..
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Excellent post, Mr. Popat.
Thank you, sir.
ditto.
i said ahmadis piousness is like that of the two men caught trying to steal Prophet Mohammad p.b.u.h's body. i am sooooo glad you agree.
so you agree with the first part of my post? the british agent ? thats clear and it should leave no questions in your mind now.
You however agreed that the two men were the most pious and namaazi in Madina.. thats exactly the case with Ahmadiyya jamaat as well. The comparison was very nice though. Thanks for that.
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These poeple pointed fingers at everyone Al bAruni Ibn khaldun Khaiyam.. ignore them because they know nothing about sprituality.. This business of pointing fingers must stop.. remember when you point fingers at someoen four fingers are pointign at you
These poeple pointed fingers at everyone Al bAruni Ibn khaldun Khaiyam.. ignore them because they know nothing about sprituality.. This business of pointing fingers must stop.. remember when you point fingers at someoen four fingers are pointign at you
Thread is about Ahmadiyya jamaat. People pointing their fingers at the jamaat.. so yeah, you're right it should be stopped cuz 4 fingers are pointing at those who are pointing at jamaat.
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the Prophet, Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him, said: "If there be a Prophet after me, that would be `Omar ibnul-Khattab."
what do you guys think? how is it that Prophet said this but prophet hood escaped hazrat umar and mirza ghulam got it?
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It is Allah's wish whosoever He bless with prophethood. Umar Ibnul-Khattab must be a very pious person, but could not become a prophet... so was the case with so many people at the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH and after him.. It is Allah's will to guide whoever on the right path or lead one to astray. It is indeed Allah's will to grant the title of prophet whoever he pleases.
so you agree with the first part of my post? the british agent ? thats clear and it should leave no questions in your mind now.
This statement of yours gives me an understanding that if somebody doesnt answer and leaves the question unanswered. it means he agreed. or couldnt find the answer.
My question is not yet answered. !