Allah Pendants

[SargeCandy]

@Colourful eyes

I'm not ashamed of being a Muslim I'm very proud, and If I choose to wear an 'Allah Pendant' (or any other Islamic pendant) why is tht so wrong?

Its good that you are proud to be a muslim and wear the pendant if u want.

Hazrat Musa (A.S) was walking along a path to meet ALLAH. He saw a shepherd talking that ,
"Oh GOD, If you came to me, i will put oil in YOUR hair, i will brush your hair,....."

Hazrat Musa( A.S) got angry at him and scolded him and he stopped.

When Hazrat Musa (A.S) came to meet ALLAH, ALLAH told his beloved messenger (A.S) that he shouldnt have stopped the shepherd as ALLAH liked the way that shepherd thought of loving HIM.

Hazrat Musa (A.S) went back, apologized to the shepherd and told him to continue loving ALLAH that way.

So, if ur doing something for the love/respect/affection of ALLAH, never be hesitant. You never know what HE likes about you that you do for HIM and creates a reason to forgive you on the judgement day.

[kakaballi]

@Colourful eyes

I'm not ashamed of being a Muslim I'm very proud, and If I choose to wear an 'Allah Pendant' (or any other Islamic pendant) why is tht so wrong?

Nothing wrong. Its just that chances of disrespecting it increase and you have to be careful.

As long as Allah is in your heart, do as you feel like.

[CE]

Re: Allah Pendants

Thank u everyone I think I've got a bit more sense of it all now :)

[Zapatista]

@SargeCandy

and since when did fortune tellers use ayats of Koran to tell fortunes?

Believing in ALLAH's ayats is not shirk.

I have explained how pride can be referred to, if you still want to stick to the other meaning, by all means go ahead. I am and will always be proud to be a muslim.

That's not the point.

I also believe in Physics and Maths and it's not shirk. But believing can be different things. Believing in Physics and Maths doesn't necessarily mean that it can protect me from evil. Do you get the point? I also believe in the Ayats, but they certainly won't protect me from evil If I wear them around my neck. If you believe they can, you are giving them the powers which are attributed to Allah SWT and are committing shirk.

@Colourful eyes

I'm not ashamed of being a Muslim I'm very proud, and If I choose to wear an 'Allah Pendant' (or any other Islamic pendant) why is tht so wrong?

Nothing wrong with wearing an Allah pendant. Just don't make your religion into a fashion statement.

Let's be humble Muslims who are grateful to God for showing us the right path. Let us not think that we are superior to our brethren in humanity who haven't been shown the way yet.

May Allah show us all the right path.

[SargeCandy]

@라시드

I also believe in the Ayats, but they certainly won't protect me from evil If I wear them around my neck. If you believe they can, you are giving them the powers which are attributed to Allah SWT and are committing shirk.

They are ALLAH's words and they are very powerful. They are not just dead words.
I have already explained the concept somewhere on this forum, but i will explain it again.
ALLAH has said that Koran will be protected till judgement day and till that day no change will be made to it.

Now for every letter,for every word of Koran, its protected by creatures on duty set by ALLAH. These creatures are called "moakills". They are stronger than jinns but shorter in stature.Their diet is "zikr".

So now some amil/sufi/molvi does some chilla of some ayats or surahs for forty days. The moakills come and tease him at first but, he overcomes their distractions and stays absorbed in zikr of ALLAH(i.e. recitation of those ayats) and completes forty days.

Then whenever he recites those ayats/surah, moakills atonce appear.

Once an amil/molvi/sufi writes a taweez or recites something on a taweez, the moakills atonce appear and he then gives the taweez to the affected person who wears it around the neck and due to those ayats/surah and the associated moakills with them, the cure or effects of taweez starts off.

I have explained it in most simple words, the procedure is not that simple as it sounds and i have excluded some un-necessary steps required in the process also.

Just for informtaion, a black magician uses jinns instead of moakills, because he uses ayats wrongly (read backwards) or thru hindu holy book or any other illegal ways. Then he associates those jinns with the thread or food or any other thing and gives the person to give to next person to harm him.

[TLK]

@Colourful eyes

Isn't it like saying why have Religious writing framed in big frames in ur hall way?

No, wearing Allah's pendant cannot be compared with hanging religious writing on walls unless (astaghfarullah) you are hanging them on bathroom walls.

[Zapatista]

@SargeCandy

They are ALLAH's words and they are very powerful. They are not just dead words. I have already explained the concept somewhere on this forum, but i will explain it again. ALLAH has said that Koran will be protected till judgement day and till that day no change will be made to it.

Now for every letter,for every word of Koran, its protected by creatures on duty set by ALLAH. These creatures are called "moakills". They are stronger than jinns but shorter in stature.Their diet is "zikr".

So now some amil/sufi/molvi does some chilla of some ayats or surahs for forty days. The moakills come and tease him at first but, he overcomes their distractions and stays absorbed in zikr of ALLAH(i.e. recitation of those ayats) and completes forty days.

Then whenever he recites those ayats/surah, moakills atonce appear.

Once an amil/molvi/sufi writes a taweez or recites something on a taweez, the moakills atonce appear and he then gives the taweez to the affected person who wears it around the neck and due to those ayats/surah and the associated moakills with them, the cure or effects of taweez starts off.

I have explained it in most simple words, the procedure is not that simple as it sounds and i have excluded some un-necessary steps required in the process also.

Just for informtaion, a black magician uses jinns instead of moakills, because he uses ayats wrongly (read backwards) or thru hindu holy book or any other illegal ways. Then he associates those jinns with the thread or food or any other thing and gives the person to give to next person to harm him.

There is a contradiction in your reply. First the Ayats can't be corrupted because the Quran can't be changed. But people who perform black magic do twist and change the Ayats to harm people or do other negative things. You have to decide yourself if they can be changed or not.

In my knowledge the Quran can't be changed in the way the Bible and other Holy Books have been changed and corrupted and lost their meaning. It can't be done to the Quran because we still have the original copy and there are a dozen million people who know the entire Quran by heart, which is truly a miracle.

Natural disasters occur and people die, houses are destroyed. Sometimes houses burn down. Even houses with inhabitants who own a Quran. The Quran will unfortunately just burn down like the other things in the house. So even If you somehow tie a Quran around your neck, it will not help you when harm comes in your way. Believing that an Ayat around your Neck can help you in any way is illogical. Only Allah SWT can help you If he wishes to help you.

[SargeCandy]

@라시드

There is a contradiction in your reply. First the Ayats can't be corrupted because the Quran can't be changed. But people who perform black magic do twist and change the Ayats to harm people or do other negative things. You have to decide yourself if they can be changed or not.

In my knowledge the Quran can't be changed in the way the Bible and other Holy Books have been changed and corrupted and lost their meaning. It can't be done to the Quran because we still have the original copy and there are a dozen million people who know the entire Quran by heart, which is truly a miracle.

Natural disasters occur and people die, houses are destroyed. Sometimes houses burn down. Even houses with inhabitants who own a Quran. The Quran will unfortunately just burn down like the other things in the house. So even If you somehow tie a Quran around your neck, it will not help you when harm comes in your way. Believing that an Ayat around your Neck can help you in any way is illogical. Only Allah SWT can help you If he wishes to help you.

Do I have to explain everything in literal terms or you are keeping the topic alive for sake of discussion.

Is there a reverse printed form of Koran published somewhere? NO. Reciting and documenting are different things. The arabs tried to produce similar ayats, they failed. In recent times, Israel tried corrupting Koran but failed. They wanted to bring in copies to be recited. Black magicians dont publish reversed Koran copies !

There is no fun in going around in circles about wearing ayats in neck.You have turned the discussion in another way, anyways if ALLAH wants to save you, then HE can even send you to someone who makes a taweez and you put it around your neck and get saved.

[Daddy_s_Girl]

@SargeCandy

You should ask this from the one who gave you a taweez. Bathrooms contain filthy jinns and other harmful spiritual creatures and some taweez are specifically worn and contain ayats of ALLAH to keep a person safe from such creatures. So in this case, the person may be premitted to wear it, to fullfil the purpose of taweez.

So it all depends mainly on for what purpose you are wearing taweez.

As far as I am aware (and correct me if I am wrong) but regardless of the reason as to why the person is wearing the taweez, you should ALWAYS take it off before going into the bathroom.

[lethal_kamikaze]

@SargeCandy

^^
and I suggest you broaden your horizon more than internet searches.

thanx.

@SargeCandy

Its good that you are proud to be a muslim and wear the pendant if u want.

Hazrat Musa (A.S) was walking along a path to meet ALLAH. He saw a shepherd talking that ,
“Oh GOD, If you came to me, i will put oil in YOUR hair, i will brush your hair,…”

Hazrat Musa( A.S) got angry at him and scolded him and he stopped.

When Hazrat Musa (A.S) came to meet ALLAH, ALLAH told his beloved messenger (A.S) that he shouldnt have stopped the shepherd as ALLAH liked the way that shepherd thought of loving HIM.

Hazrat Musa (A.S) went back, apologized to the shepherd and told him to continue loving ALLAH that way.

So, if ur doing something for the love/respect/affection of ALLAH, never be hesitant. You never know what HE likes about you that you do for HIM and creates a reason to forgive you on the judgement day.

I request you to please provide the references of above. Thank you.

@SargeCandy

They are ALLAH’s words and they are very powerful. They are not just dead words.
I have already explained the concept somewhere on this forum, but i will explain it again.
ALLAH has said that Koran will be protected till judgement day and till that day no change will be made to it.

Now for every letter,for every word of Koran, its protected by creatures on duty set by ALLAH. These creatures are called “moakills”. They are stronger than jinns but shorter in stature.Their diet is “zikr”.

So now some amil/sufi/molvi does some chilla of some ayats or surahs for forty days. The moakills come and tease him at first but, he overcomes their distractions and stays absorbed in zikr of ALLAH(i.e. recitation of those ayats) and completes forty days.

Then whenever he recites those ayats/surah, moakills atonce appear.

Once an amil/molvi/sufi writes a taweez or recites something on a taweez, the moakills atonce appear and he then gives the taweez to the affected person who wears it around the neck and due to those ayats/surah and the associated moakills with them, the cure or effects of taweez starts off.

I have explained it in most simple words, the procedure is not that simple as it sounds and i have excluded some un-necessary steps required in the process also.

Just for informtaion, a black magician uses jinns instead of moakills, beacause he uses ayats wrongly (read backwards) or thru hindu holy book or any other illegal ways. Then he associates those jinns with the thread or food or any other thing and gives the person to give to next person to harm him.

This is true black magician uses jinns (those jinns are called Taghoot) and reading Quran backwards called Tankees. There are also many others ways doing black magic or by the way of taweez. These methods are called **Safli, Tanjeem, Hateli, Najasat, Tankees, and Aa’sar. **In Islam these are methods are Kufar which mean shirk.

(Book Jan-e-Salook Chapter 36 Page 446-375)

@SargeCandy

Is there a reverse printed form of Koran published somewhere? NO. Reciting and documenting are different things. The arabs tried to produce similar ayats, they failed. In recent times, Israel tried corrupting Koran but failed. They wanted to bring in copies to be recited. Black magicians dont publish reversed Koran copies !

There is no fun in going around in circles about wearing ayats in neck.You have turned the discussion in another way, anyways if ALLAH wants to save you, then HE can even send you to someone who makes a taweez and you put it around your neck and get saved.

About taweez, Its not mentioned anywhere is Quran neither in Hadeeths. Still some1 wants to wear HE/She go ahead. Sorry to say that on some points, I disagree with you. I’m not one of those who likes to wear taweez neither suggest other muslims to wear it. Rest Allah SWT Know better then all of us and may keep us under His shadow of Rehmat and on the right path. Ameen.

Also, I would like you and others to watch this clip what Dr. Zakir says about black magic and taweez.

[Daddy_s_Girl]

Re: Allah Pendants

The only think Dr Zakir said that was worth listening to was that Surah Naas and Surat Falak are indeed used to reverse the effects of black magic..... but it's not as simple as just reciting these surahs and hoping the black magic will go away....
the rest of what he said was rubbish!!!

[brother_quraysh]

It's always the "haram police" who are spreading such things, however there is no legal rule which tells us to do so. It's just like with reading the Quran, some will tell you that you have to do wudhu before reciting the Quran, however it's not necessary. You can do it If you want, but it's not prohibited for us to recite the Quran without doing wudhu.

So yeah, If you want to be extra careful about it, go ahead.

please learn about the etiquettes of the Qur'an before speaking.

[Zapatista]

please learn about the etiquettes of the Qur'an before speaking.

One can recite the Quran without ablution, aslong as you don't touch it.

[Fbi786]

Re: Allah Pendants

Lets CLOSE this thread people and have you now its getting thandi ..

[brother_quraysh]

One can recite the Quran without ablution, as long as you don't touch it.

no, im not disputing that. I agree with you there but i was hoping you wasnt discouraging that indeed having wudu to recite it is superior in merit and should be done if possible

sorry for the confusion

[Aashiq]

Re: Allah Pendants

Where can I get one in Toronto lol

[Fbi786]

@Aashiq

Where can I get one in Toronto lol

After 3 pages of ..same thing over n over .. basically it goes like .. saari raat pahaar khattya.. then nikla chooha aur woh bhi marra hua tumhaari bhi woh hi baat ..

or to make it somple for you … its as they say …they read the bible all night and in the morning the question arises .who was jesus

[CE]

Re: Allah Pendants

OK I'm clear tht I am not meant to wear any religious writing in the bathroom. thank u FBi an everyone else

but I have one more question is being 'proud' the same thing as 'showing off'?

and what exactly am I showing off about? tht I'm Muslim and I believe in Allah?

[cricketplaya]

OK I'm clear tht I am not meant to wear any religious writing in the bathroom. thank u FBi an everyone else

but I have one more question is being 'proud' the same thing as 'showing off'?

and what exactly am I showing off about? tht I'm Muslim and I believe in Allah?

There's nothing wrong in it, we SHOULD be proud to be followers of HAQ. It's the intention that counts, if your intention is to "show off" that your better than others, that is not permissible... on the other hand if it's for the love of Allah and his Rasul(saw) and deen, be proud!!!

[SargeCandy]

@lethal_kamikaze

I request you to please provide the references of above. Thank you.

I tried to search for it in Koran first and went through first five Surahs, but failed to find this incident. I then searched in hadith and couldnt find.

Since I had heard and read this in some textbook also in childhood, so i asked a local imam of masjid, who said, that Hazrat Musa (R.A) wrote a book himself and mentioned this incident in that book. After his death, this was copied by certain writers and thats how it travelled uptil now. I dont know if his info is right or wrong. Infact i was surprised that many people know abt this incident but dont know the source, just like me.

Im sorry, i dont have any reference for this.