Allah and Global warming.

[IceSoul]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

you should talk to psyah, diwana etc. they are experts who are absolutely convinced based on the quran that evolution is a lie.

why is it that the same exact verses can lead to people being convinced of the exact opposites? or in muzna's case - global warming and social justice? where is the rigor in interpretation?

And also, another "Expert", Zakir Naik blatantly lied to his audience that evolution had not been proved since it was a "Theory. It's a theory in the same sense that the Heliocentric theory is a theory.

Islamic Experts have brought Pakistan to a point of collapse and led to hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide over the years. Muslims would be much better of without these "Experts".

[IceSoul]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

actually i thought about it. scientific theory speculates that the earth was NEVER, ENTIRELY covered with water. The quran said, thats what happened and even that too, during nuh's time a few thousand years ago. there is no geologic evidence of a completely watered age. zero.

The Quran doesn't explicitly say that EVERY INCH was covered with water. In the past, many areas were covered by water that aren't now, like the Sahara. The whole Nuh story may mean that there was a kickass flood.

[TLK]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

@IceSoul

And also, another "Expert", Zakir Naik blatantly lied to his audience that evolution had not been proved since it was a "Theory. It's a theory in the same sense that the Heliocentric theory is a theory.

Islamic Experts have brought Pakistan to a point of collapse and led to hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide over the years. Muslims would be much better of without these "Experts".

Zakir Nayak is not a Pakistani.

[queer]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

@IceSoul

And also, another "Expert", Zakir Naik blatantly lied to his audience that evolution had not been proved since it was a "Theory. It's a theory in the same sense that the Heliocentric theory is a theory.

Islamic Experts have brought Pakistan to a point of collapse and led to hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide over the years. Muslims would be much better of without these "Experts".

pal have you heard of my frand haroon yahya?

:D

[IceSoul]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

Zakir Nayak is not a Pakistani.

I didn't say he was. But he sure as hell is an "Islamic Expert".

Tell me one thing, why must you always twist words?

[IceSoul]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

pal have you heard of my frand haroon yahya?

:D

Nope, who is he??

EDIT: Just checked. Wikipedia to the rescue :p

[queer]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

you are pickin on small fish like zakir naik. he is nothing compared to harun yahya in the world of those that oppose evolution as being real. google kro. he hawt.

[Dr.LuLworth]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

The Quran doesn't explicitly say that EVERY INCH was covered with water. In the past, many areas were covered by water that aren't now, like the Sahara. The whole Nuh story may mean that there was a kickass flood.

Ok, lets just say for the sake of YOUR argument that it was a local flood and that his aircraft carrier DID end up on mount ararat/judi.

Mount Ararat is 5,137 metres (16,854 FT) high. Even if the Ark were to have settled half way up the mountain...do the math and figure out how much water would have been in the region in order to float a water craft that high up. Do you know what kind of volumes of water we're talking about? And to all fall within 40 days?

Let's not even get into how you'd get 2 of every species on the planet into the cramped ark. Did Noah venture to Australia to get a couple of platypus? And what about the aboriginal peoples of Australia?

[IceSoul]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

Ya I checked. And this reminds me of the quote:

"God must like idiots, because he sure created a lot of em"

[IceSoul]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

@Dr.LuLworth

Ok, lets just say for the sake of YOUR argument that it was a local flood and that his aircraft carrier DID end up on mount ararat/judi.

Mount Ararat is 5,137 metres (16,854 FT) high. Even if the Ark were to have settled half way up the mountain...do the math and figure out how much water would have been in the region in order to float a water craft that high up. Do you know what kind of volumes of water we're talking about? And to all fall within 40 days?

Let's not even get into how you'd get 2 of every species on the planet into the cramped ark. Did Noah venture to Australia to get a couple of platypus? And what about the aboriginal peoples of Australia?

Man that's the problem. Don't take everything literally, like two of every animal and all that. I believe that Hazrat Nuh's story was about a really big flood and he put some animals and people on an Ark and rode it out.

[diwana]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

@IceSoul

And also, another "Expert", Zakir Naik blatantly lied to his audience that evolution had not been proved since it was a "Theory. It's a theory in the same sense that the Heliocentric theory is a theory.

Islamic Experts have brought Pakistan to a point of collapse and led to hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide over the years. Muslims would be much better of without these "Experts".

Since when you think Islamic experts run Pakistan and led to hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide?

Did they make any weapon of mass killers?

About Zakir naik you have been answered.

[BarbieCue]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

Can we please stay on the topic?

[Theorist]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

This thread just goes to show that we all have our own version of interpretation for everything. There is a vast difference of opinion even among muslims of different schools of thought- atheism to DUUUR ki baat hai!

Let’s face it we believe what we would like to believe. Let’s not use science or religion to validate our opinions! Let’s take science for what it is - imperfect, time consuming, worth studying and there are facts and theories. Let’s take religion for what it is - a guide to life, set of rules, open to interpretations but everything YOU believe is a fact.

Bas..

[queer]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

finally, this thread delivers.

[diwana]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

Nice thread Monk. :)

[queer]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

is it global warming, or did it just get hot in heeya.. _

[hareem01]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

The Quran is a book for ALL MUSLIMS. I was not aware that Psyah or Diwanna have been appointed by Allah to explain the Quran. And if not, I have as much freedom to interpret the Quran and Islam as they do.

BTW, NOT ONE Muslim biologist worth his salt denies evolution. It's as clear as the fact that we exist.

perhaps that depends on your definition of evolution.

[diwana]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

@queer

you should talk to psyah, diwana etc. they are experts who are absolutely convinced based on the quran that evolution is a lie.

why is it that the same exact verses can lead to people being convinced of the exact opposites? or in muzna’s case - global warming and social justice? where is the rigor in interpretation?

I never used Quran to refute evolution.

[Dr.LuLworth]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

@diwana

I never used Quran to refute evolution.

that’s alright. no one can.

[Disney_Princess]

Re: Allah and Global warming.

erm I do not fully understand the entire discussion but seems to me like you guys are basically arguing over two different theories - the theory of relativity (determinism) and the quantum mechanics (probability). The quantum theory implies that there is a limit to how much scientists could know about a particle since there is randomness and uncertainty in the universe. Einstein, a firm believer of order in the universe, didn't like this idea and said "God does not play dice", meaning everything follows a pattern.

Today, it is generally accepted that quantum physics is true. In the words of Stephen Hawking, "Not only does God play dice with the universe, he throws them where they cannot be seen. All the evidence shows that God is actually quite a gambler, and the universe is a great casino, where dice are thrown, and roulette wheels spin on every occasion”. Another physicist, Niels Bohr, responded "Einstein, don't tell God what to do with his dice".

And guess what ... this Einstein-Bohr argument still ain't over, as is obvious from this thread. Einstein tried to reconcile quantum physics with the theory of relativity in search for a unified theory that explained every single thing about how the universe works but to date no such theory-of-everything has been put forward. I say what the hell, why do we need to reconcile the two concepts and then reconcile that theory-of-everything with religion? Einstein wasn't dumb, I'm not ignoring his point of view neither am I rejecting quantum physics and I'm definitely not rejecting the Quran because neither Einstein nor Heisenberg were smarter than Allah.

If God did not play dice with us humans, we would have no free will and there would be no concept of heaven and hell. BUT, does God play dice with the universe too or is every little atom, every little speck controlled by Allah? In terms of global warming, are we destroying the planet and contributing to global warming or was this destruction of the planet by humans also predetermined by God? There is no definite answer to this as of now, it is up to your own beliefs. I do not need science to prove to me that there is a God and I don't need the Quran to prove to me how babies are born or how the planet is becoming warmer!

Einstein said "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." I will dare disagree with him because life isn't all black and white, there's many gray areas. One can be spiritual and practical at the same time so there *is *a third way of living your life. Which one you choose is up to you, I'm quite happy living in the gray area where I try to seek knowledge but if I cannot find any definite answers, I try not to play God. Just because I can't explain something with logic doesn't mean it isn't true. It's all about faith.

And the biggest irony of it all is that these scientists believe(d) in a divine intervention - God (aka Allah).

The very people on whose theories people of no religion base their theories on.