Science is basically just a factual explanation of what our religion teaches us. The Creator i.e. Allah made everything million of years ago, *revealed the deeper secrets in the Holy Quran in hints about 1400 years ago *(when the concept that earth is round was completely laughable). *The subtlety was to not overwhelm the people at that time and also to pave the path for the human beings to discover for themselves the miracles of the Earth and the universe and excel in science. *
And the same had been revealed to Jesus before prophet Muhammad came around. I don't understand what logic means to you guys, I really don't! It's out of pure faith that you believe what you believe. It cannot possibly be logical. No matter how illogical something sounds, if it's in your scripture you will believe it. It really has nothing to do with science.
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We all know the word of Allah or the wordings of the Holy Scripture (for those who do not believe) have not changed over all this span of time. There have been noadditions/deletions/modfications. (for proof one can compare copies of Quran from different parts of the world). So all of this defined over 2000 years ago obviously is a sign? It's not mere gibberish or folklore.
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Orthodox christians also argue that Bible never said earth was flat! Again something's repeated twice doesn't mean it's RIGHT! Most things mentioned in Quran had already been mentioned in Christian and Jewish holybooks.
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Religion and science go together -or shall I say Islam and science go together :)
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It does not. Scientists have not been working long and hard only for you to credit all back to dark age prophets. Let's just agree to disagree that science and religion have nothing in common except they are both trying to answer the BIG questions. Some blindly follow religion and some blindly believe science. Neither party can't be sure of the truth but science just has more to offer..
“Global warming has become perhaps the most complicated issue facing world leaders. On the one hand, warnings from the scientific community are becoming louder, as an increasing body of science points to rising dangers from the ongoing buildup of human-related greenhouse gases — produced mainly by the burning of fossil fuels and forests. On the other, the technological, economic and political issues that have to be resolved before a concerted worldwide effort to reduce emissions can begin have gotten no simpler, particularly in the face of a global economic slowdown.
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the concepts of science and faith are completely contradictory.....
one requires calculation, evidence and proof of theories while the other requires nothing more than belief.
why do so many people try to suggest that one must over-rule the other?
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Scientists have not been working long and hard only for you to credit all back to dark age prophets.
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let's not get carried away here.....nobody is giving credit to the prophets......they were but messengers that brought knowledge to us.
scientists are definitely working long and hard with their own agendas; is it our fault if their efforts keep proving the theories presented ages ago in the holy books?
Its a human altering the cycle of earth. Put thing out of proportion.
Like seasons coming earlier. Storms getting stronger...lasting longer...
Excessive use of water.
Using earth resource at ratio of 1:8, (we only have one planet so it got to be 1:1)
Like taking more giving back less.
Soil omitting excessive carbon, stuff like that.
all that leading to more generalized term global warming.
the concepts of science and faith are completely contradictory.....
one requires calculation, evidence and proof of theories while the other requires nothing more than belief.
why do so many people try to suggest that one must over-rule the other?
let's not get carried away here.....nobody is giving credit to the prophets......they were but messengers that brought knowledge to us.
scientists are definitely working long and hard with their own agendas; is it our fault if their efforts keep proving the theories presented ages ago in the holy books?
But they don't! They keep disproving it and you keep adjusting your interpretation/translations to match it... I don't get it either.
But they don't! They keep disproving it and you keep adjusting your interpretation/translations to match it... I don't get it either.
wow....that must really tick them off.......that whatever they do, somehow the Quran manages to present an agreeable angle.
I am not a scientist so kindly forgive my ignorance.....can you please provide 3 examples of where science has proven something and an alim or member of the Islamic community has officially changed their stance on the subject to match the scientific results? If this has happened then I would like an opportunity to change my own opinion.
it was intended to be that way........because as much as the atheist voice their opposition to the religious people imposing their opinion on others/preaching etc............they aren't any different........but meh.....
it was intended to be that way........because as much as **the atheist voice their opposition to the religious people imposing their opinion on others/preaching **etc............they aren't any different........but meh.....
Dude, I am not the one who created this thread. Atheists are not the ones going around trying to prove how science and religion go hand in hand..when they clearly don't. As a matter of fact I couldn't care less about your faith. The problems arise when violence/injustice is justified in the name of religion. You want all of us to shut up when human rights are being violated under the name of God. Well, it's not going to happen...
I am not saying all muslims are extremist/terrorists but there are many issues that you will never admit are there due to religion and quite frankly atheists can't be bothered about it. But every time a woman is stripped of her rights and religion is used to justify it, I will speak up.
P.S. I don't go around preaching... I am striving to become a better person just as you are. We just have different approaches. I am not shoving down my principle/ideas down your throat, now am I?
Dude, I am not the one who created this thread. Atheists are not the ones going around trying to prove how science and religion go hand in hand..when they clearly don't. As a matter of fact I couldn't care less about your faith. The problems arise when violence/injustice is justified in the name of religion. You want all of us to shut up when human rights are being violated under the name of God. Well, it's not going to happen...
I am not saying all muslims are extremist/terrorists but there are many issues that you will never admit are there due to religion and quite frankly atheists can't be bothered about it. But every time a woman is stripped of her rights and religion is used to justify it, I will speak up.
P.S. I don't go around preaching... I am striving to become a better person just as you are. We just have different approaches. I am not shoving down my principle/ideas down your throat, now am I?
But you are saying a lot bad about religion
Agree. I was not either , but according to my belief Hazrat Adam was , I am not shoving my belief down your throat , neither should you.
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sorry yaar, i forgot. i am made from keechar. africans are made from dirty keechar. goras are made from talcom powder and kissan cement mix. science has nothing to do with it. who needs biology when we have keechar!!!!!!
On that note we are all made from keechar/dirt , the things we all eat spring up from keecher (vegetables) or consumed things which spring up from keechar(animals)
The problems arise when violence/injustice is justified in the name of religion. You want all of us to shut up when human rights are being violated under the name of God. Well, it's not going to happen...
I am not saying all muslims are extremist/terrorists but there are many issues that you will never admit are there due to religion and quite frankly atheists can't be bothered about it. But every time a woman is stripped of her rights and religion is used to justify it, I will speak up.
Allah did not tell the believers to go and violate human rights in the name of religion or go and strip women of their rights. Where did you get this idea from ?
Anybody can give legitimacy to their action from religion or their philosophy , in China , Russia , Cuba atheists are violating human rights in the name of communism.
It is humans who will violate any rights in the name of sect , philosophy , science , religion . Even if you eliminate religion from the face of earth , do you think , human right violations will stop ?
religions are nice as long as it stays out from the areas of verifiable facts. otherwise its epic fail galore as far as discussions go with one side being confused between dogma and observation.
just because those lines are from surah rahman does not mean everyone has to feel obliged to support monk's half-assed conclusion that this is about global warming. heck, they can be about anything. pretty vague, sitting there in a contextual vacuum.
wow....that must really tick them off.......that whatever they do, somehow the Quran manages to present an agreeable angle.
I am not a scientist so kindly forgive my ignorance.....can you please provide 3 examples of where science has proven something and an alim or member of the Islamic community has officially changed their stance on the subject to match the scientific results? If this has happened then I would like an opportunity to change my own opinion.
What's the point? you and others will come back with more twisted explanations/interpretations/excuses. I ain't falling for it. Go google it! There's a ton of information out there...but then again, you expect everything that goes against your faith some kind of Jewish anti-Islamic propaganda.
It's not worth it.. let's just drop it. If you so wish to seek it, go find it yourself.
