Bad Day for Pakistan!
So it only just the matters of whomever wins the toss wins the match.
The inexperience in the Pakistani batsman showed today.
Yousuf Youhana needs to be more responsible, he hasn't showed anything for being the best batsman in the team.
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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Bad Day for Pakistan!
So it only just the matters of whomever wins the toss wins the match.
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Stop blaming toss.Take some responsibility.
thet batted patheticly.
Yesterday on same ground SL won the Toss and lost the match.
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*Originally posted by Allah_ka_banda2: *
Stop blaming toss.Take some responsibility.
thet batted patheticly.
Yesterday on same ground SL won the Toss and lost the match.
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Look who comes out of the trash can as soon as Pakistan loses.
I guess you will go into hiding when Pakistan wins heeh!
Anyways, remember how Indians faired in New Zealand, it is the exact same thing.
Or maybe you didn't watch the match just like everytime and saying non sense.
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*Originally posted by ehsan: *
Bit of a rout of the Pakistani team. Still they are on a learning curve and this rude awakening will bring home to them that there are teams other then SL, Zim and Kenya around and NZ is not the strongest of them all. They will be facing another strong team next month when they visit England. All this is good for these youngsters. Good learning experience. No need to get disheartened. The good thing is that the Indians are doing us a favour by not playing us.
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Dear Ehsan bhai, had their been any other team even India in a situation where Pakistani batsman were today, they had faired the same, you can take the example of New Zealand, vs India series conditions were extremely in favor of bowlers, even the Sri Lankan batsman who are so dominant at home couldn't score, thats why I complimented the Pakistani batting yesterday.
A defeat was expected by this so called talent. This is the first time they have played against a good team and they'll take time to settle down. But I see no future for the likes of Bhanja, Taufeeq.
Oh c'mon guys, get a grip. Pakistan virtually lost the game when lost the toss. I mean, c'mon the conditions in the morning session totally favors bowlers; and according to the experts, the pitch doesn't meet ODIs standards. Our batsmen(news guys) have never been in that position; so be it.
In the afternoon session, pitch is more easier to play on. Despite of that, our bowlers able to picked up three wickets. In all seriousness, I wasn't even upset with the performance of our team 'cause by losing the toss, we lost the game.
Next match between Sri Lanka and New Zealand will be played on the same ground. Dunoo for sure whether it's gonna be on the same pitch or the different(where Pakistan and Sri Lanka played their first match). But then, whoever wins the toos, would field first, and chances are they gonna win the match.
Rest of the matches will be played in Colombo Staduim, including Final. :)
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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Dear Ehsan bhai, had their been any other team even India in a situation where Pakistani batsman were today, they had faired the same, you can take the example of New Zealand, vs India series conditions were extremely in favor of bowlers, even the Sri Lankan batsman who are so dominant at home couldn't score, thats why I complimented the Pakistani batting yesterday.
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Thats why I am saying it is a learning curve and it is good for them. I am not upset at their loss. The new guys are performing well and along the way things like these are bound to happen.
New Zealand rout Pakistan](http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/MAY/179941_BAC_11MAY2003.html)
**New Zealand upset the formbook at the Rangiri Dambulla International Stadium, snapping Pakistan’s six-match post-World Cup winning streak with an emphatic seven-wicket victory – with 22.4 overs to spare – in the second low-scoring match of the competition.
A spiteful pitch, which offered excessive movement off the seam, combined with disciplined pace bowling and some spectacular catching, resulted in Pakistan being bundled out for a paltry 116 in 43.1 overs. **
Pakistan’s fast bowlers may have turned around their opening match against Sri Lanka, but this time they needed to do a Houdini.** After the now-customary brotherly huddle before taking the field, Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami tore up the turf with effort. Akhtar’s second spell was particularly furious, as he peppered the New Zealand batsmen with a barrage of short balls from around the wicket.
They beat the bat, bruised bodies and also created opportunities – Chris Nevin was dropped at second slip by Younis Khan on 2. But New Zealand were always in control after a brisk start from Nevin, who sped onto 28 from 29 balls, hitting four fours, before edging a catch into the slips (42 for 1). **
Abdul Razzaq winkled out two further wickets – as Stephen Fleming top-edged a pull to be caught for 21 and Scott Styris steered a catch to backward point – but Lou Vincent (25 not out) and Chris Cairns (18 not out) guided New Zealand home with an unbroken 35-run stand for the fourth wicket.
The only disappointment for New Zealand was a back strain for Shane Bond, their premier pace bowler. He had made a major contribution in the morning, taking 2 for 7 from five penetrative overs. The management refused to confirm whether he was a doubt for Tuesday’s clash against Sri Lanka.
In the morning, Bond and his colleagues relished the opportunity to bowl first under overcast skies. Four of Pakistan’s top six were dismissed for zero and only four players reached double figures, as they slid to 17 for 5 within the first hour.
Two mini-recoveries followed. First, Taufeeq Umar and Shoaib Malik added 25 for the sixth wicket, before a double strike from Styris pushed them back into a hole at 51 for 7. Then, Rashid Latif and Akhtar clubbed 45 in 70 balls to avert a complete catastrophe. Akhtar’s 27 (38 balls), which included two thunderous sixes, was the highest score of the innings.
Mohammad Hafeez, the man of the match against Sri Lanka with a gritty 53, was the first victim, edging the fourth ball of the innings from Daryl Tuffey to Styris. Three overs later, Faisal Iqbal traipsed back to the pavilion after a Bond inswinger knocked back his off stump (2 for 2).
Pakistan’s most experienced batsmen – Yousuf Youhana and Younis Khan – departed in unfortunate circumstances. Youhana was bowled via his pad by Bond and Khan had every right to feel aggrieved about being given out leg-before as he padded away a delivery from Tuffey - the ball would most likely have climbed over the top of the stumps (12 for 4).
Wicket number five was claimed by Jacob Oram as Razzaq, one of the allrounders who could have blasted Pakistan out of trouble, edged a lifting delivery and Styris plucked the ball out of the air with his right hand (17 for 5).
Umar and Malik saved Pakistan from the possible embarrassment of a lowest-ever score – 43 against the West Indies at Cape Town in 1992-3 – but run-scoring was never easy. Pakistan had to wait until the seventh over before the first run was scored off the bat, and Umar’s two leg-side boundaries in the 15th over were the first of the innings.
His resistance ended when he chipped a catch to midwicket off Styris, having scored 21 from 54 balls (42 for 6). A few overs later, Styris struck again, picking up the wicket of Malik, who missed an inswinger (51 for 7).
When New Zealand got bogged down against Akhtar and Latif, both of whom opted for an aggressive approach, Fleming turned to Daniel Vettori. He did the trick, as Latif flipped a catch to midwicket and Akhtar played onto to his stumps, allowing Oram to wrap up the innings. And that was pretty much that, Akhtar’s pace and venom notwithstanding.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniAngel: *
A defeat was expected by this so called talent. This is the first time they have played against a good team and they'll take time to settle down. But I see no future for the likes of Bhanja, Taufeeq.
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I hope that's true I'm tired of seeing them there and doing nothing!
Well you can excuse the inexperienced players but what happened to Yo? He was bad in the last game also!
Shoaib was awesom. Very happy with our new all-rounder. I wish he'd gotten some wickets but you could tell it wasn't for lack of trying.
Happy to see Abdur Razzaq get some wickets after a very dry WC.
It just wasn't our day, but I wouldn't blame it on the toss that's just weak. I think it's good for them to lose and come back stronger from it. I hope they don't get disheartened. Next time we play the Kiwis we'll knock them off their @ss!
Go Pakistan!!
I feel like no one reads my messages :(
I posted ages ago that Imran Nazir opted out of going to the selection trials. God knows why but I'd say it's our loss as well as his.
The pitch was to blame for Pakistan's loss, but only to some extent. Batsmen like Younis Khan and Youhana need to take responsilbity in this kind of a situation and play responsibly because both of them were the only 2 experienced batsmen in the team. If Rashid and Shoaib can score 26,27 runs, then there is no excuse's why other so called specialist batsmen get out on such lame shots.
For the next game, I believe Faisal should be dropped and Misbah should be tried at no.3 and one of the openers need to be dropped to try Faisal Athar. I think we need to have a sort of an aggressive opener, not like Afridi, but who can at least hit some shots. Both Hafeez and Taufeeq are pure test materials and play really slow. For example, Austrlia and Gilchrist and Hayden, Ghilcrist playes aggressive shots while Hayden plays carefully.
I guess today was a good lesson for the Youngsters, hopefully they will come out stronger in the next game, Inshallah!
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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
Anyways, remember how Indians faired in New Zealand, it is the exact same thing.
Or maybe you didn't watch the match just like everytime and saying non sense.
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Condition was not as bad as you are trying to make out.Talking about Indian tour..Even if Indian got out for hundered they used to take 6-7 of their wickets aslo. ;)
By the way on same ground 190 was scored on previous day..
so stop blaming TOSS.Pakis batting was just pathetic.
I asked one of the guys that posts comments on the PCB website and he said that the reason that we don't have an aggressive opener like Gilchrist is because our middle order isn't stable and we need steady (which I guess also means slow) openers like Hafeez and Taufeeq to set a platform that the middle order can build on. I guess he's partly right because after the openers crumbled the middle order was non-existent! Yousuf, Younis, and Razzaq should have done much better despite the conditions.
So u r out from your hole for bashing since PAK lost otherwise u were hiding 
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*Originally posted by westsidepaki: *
I asked one of the guys that posts comments on the PCB website and he said that the reason that we don't have an aggressive opener like Gilchrist is because our middle order isn't stable and we need steady (which I guess also means slow) openers like Hafeez and Taufeeq to set a platform that the middle order can build on. I guess he's partly right because after the openers crumbled the middle order was non-existent! Yousuf, Younis, and Razzaq should have done much better despite the conditions.
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You are right to some extent but we have to make major changes to domestic cricket so we can produce some solid players. There are so many mediocre plays and they are not consistent like Fasial Iqbal and TufeeQ Umer.
We are struggling to find the best Opening Pair but We have went round and round in circles with this thing but not been able to produce a solid opening pair, from Afridi to Saleem Elahi, Wasti, Kamran Akmal to inzi and many others. Question is still remaining will we ever have opening player like Canadian "John Davison" or Australian "Matthew Hayden"?
we don't have players who can play under pressure, TufeeQ Umer is real good at throwing his wicket on absolutely stupid shots; I know that left Handed players give bowers hard time but I think I would let Tufeeq umer come #3rd or #4th until he gets some experience.
We can use the example of Indian "Sehwag" played @ 4th or 5th spot.
I think Sehwag-Tendulkar are probably the most mature player in South Asia and probably the best Opening Pair. We need player who can play under pressure like Ganguly, Adam Gilchrist and many others, I blame domestic cricket for not producing players that can help Pakistani team.
We have 2 games coming up lets hope that Javid Maindad select best 11 players for these 2 game.
May 17 – Pakistan v Sri Lanka at SSC Ground, Colombo
May 19 – Pakistan v New Zealand at SSC Ground, Colombo
The "talent" exposed by a better team. I hope they learn lessons from this game and batsmen can find the pitch and bounce of the ball in next games.
jupiter0009 and westsidepaki,,,,, interesting analysis by both
I agree with several points. Shoaib is back and great. Man his batting has really picked up since the in teh last few months. Hopefully he can continue to help out with ~20 runs a game. Razzaq has been ok but has too be far more consistant. On this team he is basically a vetaran and can't give away his wicket that easily, if he does;nt up his game we have lots of all-rounders waiting for a chance to play. Also I agree that one of our biggest problems is that we have a poor domestic league that can't produce batsmen who can handle pressure. Traditinally this problem has been solved by players who have gone to the English Counties but even that has'nt worked lately with at least partial failures like Afridi.
But anyways we should'nt make such a big deal outta one loss, we will be fine there is lots of talent waiting for a shot. Too many to even mention. I really hope that Miandad has the willingness to sit his bhanja if favour of another of the young batsmen. I think that can really make a difference. Both him and Taufeeq have'nt done a thing in a while.