Alcohol at restaurants...

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I don't specifically go to such restaurants with my family unless its on Business or some office function simply because they don't have the kind a food I like. But if they have the food that I like then I do go, alcohol or no alcohol !

PS: I don't like Muslims going into a restaurant asking if they 'serve halal dishes' or not. The point is,,when they say it, or their choice of words are as if they'r putting some one down which opens the Pandora box of judging and taboos. IMO

I don't know were you at! But here in Toronto we have some great restaurants/franchises that serve Halal Food but also serve Alcohol on the menu. Recently added 'Boston Pizza' 'Swiss Chalet'

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Since when did PIA start serving alcohol?

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That means ppl flying from Pak via international airlines. as in Thaiair, Emirates, Etihad etc

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as long as the atmosphere is not dominated by drunk people or the smell of alcohol, I don't mind.

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I first noticed this when I was 8 years old! A baba figure took a glass of whiskey from the hostress. I'd never witnessed that before.

On Turkish Airlines they do not serve pork products, however do serve alcohol. You get this little compliment slip with the food saying 'our meals are in accordance to a Halal diet'. I opted for pasta and tomato sauce, the chicken looked a bit too raw.

Hats off to those who manage to avoid places that sell alcohol and pork whilst dining out. I'm addicted to Pizza Hut and Frankie and Benny's-both of which sell both items. We generally go there for lunch. Our local KFC is now halal-as far as I know bacon is no longer on any of the items. Truthfully though I had no idea bacon ever was on the menu there...

There's one place in Manchester where I go whereby everything is halal-no alcohol or pork. I love that place.

I'd never walk into a place and ask if the menu was halal, I'd expect myself to investigate before going in. If in doubt, order the veggie or fish option and ask what sauce is being used (I noticed wine sauces seem to be favoured around Christmas).

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I use to eat non zabiha food until recently so I use to eat at most places. I didn't mind/care much as long as they weren't putting alcohol in the food and I still don't.

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Ppl who are so offended by alcohol and ham should really not be living in western countries..

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Seriously??

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@MissTY....you mean to say the western countries are solely meant for drunkards and the pork eaters?

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I think if u didnt like his/her idea u shld have asked him/her on the first place. I would appreciate the guy becoz he stood up for what he believes in. If he thought it was wrong to go eat at such place and he stood up for it then at least i don't see anything wrong here.

Now why he believes going to such restaurant is wrong is a different issue. If you go to Bennigans they will serve a soft drink in a regular glass too and there is a gud possibility that this glass was previously used for beer etc. I am not really sure what was reasoning behind his decision, he might have a logical answer.

I don't think u r being very reasonable. All he did was refused to go to a restaurant that serves Alcohal. He might have problem with the smell of alcohol, He might have problem with the way they serve the food. He might have though its better to stay away from alcohol as much as he can. However he didnt hold anyone's hand who was having a beer, did he ?

Just like others have right to drink he has his rights to refuse going to a place where they serve alcohol. If he is not judging the people who go to such restaurants then why would u have problem with people like him, who refuse going to such restaurants. This is the the first thing u shld learn living in west " we shld respect an individuals believe."

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LOLLLLLL epic fail.

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I actually recently researched about it and learned that it really is better to stay away from restaurants that sell alcohol. Its also something my father would never do but I didn't looked into until recently. This thread is making me laugh because when my husband first told me about it, I used every single one of these excuses that people here are using but when you really look deep inside with taqwa you automatically know what is better. I always avoided for staying or holding events at hotels that also have a casino because I dont want my halal income to go to a haram business or a business that is disliked in the eyes of Allah. Im going to use a cliche but its true. This world is like a field of roses filled with thorns, you have to make sure you stay away from the thorns and come out of that field unharmed. Its about staying away from just another bad thing. And inshAllah Allah will reward us for our sabr, for your taqwa. It might not even be an issue of what is haram what is halal but it is an issue of what is better and we all know in our hearts it is better to stay as far away from these evils as possible. For those of us who live in the west, we see the consequences of the haram things unfold each and every day. We should be even more careful than others.

You should avoid it where possible. Going to a restaurant that serves alcohol is not a need, going to a grocery to get your everyday groceries is a need. If I have a store owned by a Muslim who doesn't sell alcohol I would shop there over Meijers any day.

LOL you are funny if you only knew what kind of stuff they have in Pakistan. People who want to drink will do it in Mekkah if they have to. Anyways the point is not that we are stopping "westerners" from drinking, we are talking about ourselves. What we like it to do and in this particular situation we do not like to eat with people who drink because of traditions of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Seriously?

And its not about it being offensive. Its about principle. Why should I sit there and watch other people do what I know is haram? It is the whole atmosphere as well.

I want to ask each one of you a question. Why would you want to be in a place which sells something that was despised by the Prophet(pbuh) and Allah?

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I generally share the same view. I will usually avoid restaurants where they serve alcohol.

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does alcohol being served in a restaurant stop you from going?

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Yes. Like D6C, the only exception I'll make is for business lunches where I don't have a say in the matter. Especially when there are restaurants here that don't serve anything halal and don't even allow alcohol on their premises, I'd rather take my business there.

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do you socialise in bars/pubs/clubs?

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No I don't.

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is it a big deal?

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Well, I don't like those types of places so to me it is a big deal.

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is it something that needs to be accepted nowadays that alcohol will be present whereever we go out?

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I don't think so.

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no one is asking you to sit in a bar but most restaurants here do serve alcohol. as long as you are not drinking, i dont see why ppl have so much issues.

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To the OP, personally I think that people like your friend who make these moral stands are hypocritical, pretentious gits. They refuse to eat at a restaurant that serves alcohol and make a big show of their boycott, yet they shop at grocery stores that sell alcohol, buy gasoline at gas stations that sell alcohol, fly on airlines that sell alcohol, live in a country where alcohol is legal, it's asinine. I mean why take that stand? Why not all the others? Are their principles only in place when it's convenient? Do they watch television channels that advertise alcohol? I mean it's kind of ridiculous imo.

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The major difference is that those things you listed are necessities in life--going to grocery stores, buying gas, travelling via air for work/to visit family--whereas going to a restaurant is NOT a necessity. And most of hte people here have said they would go only if it was work related and htey had no say in the matter.

There's far worse examples of hypocrisy, not drinking alcohol is not one of htem.

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Nasha is haram. Nasha is a condition caused by any number of substances. The substances are just substances.

And actually, I agree that if you're going to freak out about the existence of alcohol as a beverage, you need to hide out in the desert somewhere. Nobody is forcing you to imbibe. You are not responsible for someone else's salvation - leave that to the Almighty.

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Nasha is awesome (if controlled to a reasonable limit) :D

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Good answer.

aahmed did not THINK before writing the post.

There are people who make even more ludicurous comments as why live in countries which condone alcohol or pig eating. :smack:

There are orthodox Jews and Christians who live in ‘west’ too. Should they move out just because they are so called hypocrites?

Christians who follow their scripture do not drink alcohol, but no, aahmed sahab will jump up to show his position to be included in ‘Moderates’, ‘Enlightened’ and ‘Progressives’ :hehe:

http://www.jesusisthelight.net/ALCOHOL.htm

(1) WHAT DOES GOD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THOSE WHO DRINK ALCOHOL?
There are countless verses that show us God’s displeasure in those who choose to use alcoholic substances and the negative effect alcohol will have in your life. Here are just a few verses:
1 Corinthians 6:10 lists drunkards among those who will not inherit the kingdom of God. “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, NOR DRUNKARDS, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:21 “Envyings, murders, DRUNKENNESS, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have told you in time past, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”
Proverbs 23:19-21, “Hear thou, my son, and be wise, and guide thine heart in the way. Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: for the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty.”

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