ABC, Fox, CNN..they should be taken OFF the airwaves. Feeding a load of crap to the gullible citizens.
Khair, that's my point too. Iraqi soldiers crouching in deserts OR strewn accross roads is fine. No problem. Geneva Convention makes me laugh. I never studied International Public Law but someone put me out of my misery - who drew this up?? Was it the Americans?
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The US does not go by the Geneva convention BULL ****, also the US dont care soo much about the UN, the US thinks they can RULE the world. Like the other day, the US asked every country to close down its Iraqi embassy, what the hell was that?
See, what pisses me is the fact they charge about ordering countries around willy nilly and expect people to just kinda capitualte to their every demand.
ABC, Fox, CNN..they should be taken OFF the airwaves. Feeding a load of crap to the gullible citizens.
Khair, that's my point too. Iraqi soldiers crouching in deserts OR strewn accross roads is fine. No problem. Geneva Convention makes me laugh. I never studied International Public Law but someone put me out of my misery - who drew this up?? Was it the Americans?
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Right..
Who cares who drew up laws, might makes right..thats the lesson of the day. The amazing thing is that the American propoganda is so pervasive that every network news organization is beholden to the Pentagon for "approval" in the rest of the world it is called censoring.
International Law is a strange form of law, it can't be enforced. It's self regulating, just because one or the other combatants in a War( and pelase remember this is a war) refuses to follow the Geneva Convention doesn't mean the other should do the same. Prisoners of War who clearly surrender MUST be treated with proper respect and fed, they should not be used as propaganda tools either. As a Muslim we are expected to be doubly kind, because when in War, what we represent(Islam) is reflected by the way we conduct ourselves.
As human beings we have the obligation to do the same.
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seriously america hasnt left any rules to be followed now .. its a jungle .. if they can attack a sovereign country breaking all conventions .. and then talk of it as they own it and are justified to do everything with it .. they should expect anything in return .. Geneva convention or watever ..
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Totally agree here. The US has violated international law by waging war on Iraq, and are now crying when Iraq has "not abided by the Geneva convention"in handling POW's. Give me a break. I've seen media coverage of Iraqi POW's and dead Iraqi soldiers as well.
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I don't recall dead bodies of Afghan/Taliban being shown on TV.
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Then you missed the aftermath at the prison when dozens and dozens of Taliban soldiers shown on TV massacred, all with their hands tied behind their backs.
I feel sorry for the guy who "just fixes things" he probably does. There are maintainance people, cooks, doctors that go with the troops, why should we label him as killers?
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Because they joined the military. They could've found jobs in different places, such as garages, or restaurants, but no they are part of the coalition. It's funny, I'm sure many of these people were so gung-ho about finding Saddam 5 days ago, but now they make statements such as above "I just fix things".
well as they say, everything is fair in love and war. if americans can go ahead against all the laws of humanity, geneva convension and UN and attack iraq without any reasons then why can't iraqis can do this? afterall they never asked americans to sent their troops here to die. i mean its war. if you won't kill them, they will kill you. you are trained to kill and not to feel sympathy for the enemy.
further, yes islam is about peace and harmoney but at times you are left with no other option but to act and act in a very inhumane way. these americans are in your country, illegally. they are destroying your country ... waging an unjust war on you. they will use every humane and inhumane way possible to achieve their ojectives. if your'll show sympathy, u'll be a dead duck within no time. American's coined the phrase shock and Awe. well today they had to taste their own medicine.
i personally don't feel any sympathy for these POW and troops who have been killed so far. they were not forced to go there and fight. they were rather exstatic and happy to go and how iraqis how advanced and well-equipped they are. did any one see the footage where they blewup a house with a missile and how happy they were? shouting and hooting ... this is how they are preceiving the war. rather enjoying it. they thought that its going to be like a morning-walk in your garden ... but unfortunately harsh realities of war are just coming into the light.
What about this quote from the Quran - aren’t we better than the US government. Aren’t we superor than this rogue nation for whom international laws are something to be mocked at? Let’s not degrade ourselves by stooping to their filthy level; we know how POWs at Guantanamo and elsewhere are being treated. We know that Geneva Conventions signify nothing of substance to the US government. Since when have international laws meant anything to the US as it conducts its illegal invasion against a sovereign country? So – why should we imitate their inhumane lawlessness ? How does that make us any better than the world’s worst rogue nation?
“Lo, the righteous shall … [go to Paradise] … (because) they perform the vow and fear a day whereof the evil is wide spreading, and feed with food the needy wretch, the orphan and the prisoner, for love of Him, (saying): we feed you, for the sake of God only, we wish for no reward not thanks from you.” Surah al Insan, verses V-IX
well only if we were that strong of a mulim to follow what quran and rasool [pbuh] has to offer … quran is a way of life and rasool’s life is a way of living … he was the chosen one … to lead the muslims and show them the path of peace, love and humanity … unfortunately we are so much into worldly things now that quran and rasool are now just a mean to justify our actions and to criticize others for their actions.
This time its in .avi format and it loaded fine on my Win Media Player 9.
Due to srever traffic, the download and buffering may a bit slow. Patience will be rewarded.
I didn’t read all the posts here so I’m not sure if anyone else caught this already. Sec Defense Rumsfeld was on Face the Nation (TV show) Sunday. They showed him the video live and it was the first he’d seen of it. Here is an excerpt from the transcript:
People- this is Iraqi government we are talking about- they dont forgive their own. You think they will overlook foreigners? However, as a war strategy, they might keep them alive to barter with. As a last resort strategy, they'll probably put a bullet through thier heads.
Man this video is all over the net, just not on the news networks
Here is another link. By now everyone on this forum should have access to the uncensored video if not seen one yet:
I can't believe human beings are actually defending this tape. If it would have happened the other way around you guys would be outraged. I've never heard so many people defend the actions of a brutal dictator.
Who is the side brieng brain washed. At least I have access to the internet, 10 cable news channels & Al Jazzerah. If I lived in IRAQ, I get one channel - The one owned by the govt. I bet the newspaper owned by Saddam's son really has some fair stuff too.
When it's all said and done, ask the Iraqi people what they think. I'm pretty sure they're tired of building palaces and shrines to a man who beats them and starves their children.
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How is it any different than the pictures CNN and others show of Iraqi prisoners?
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If it would have happened the other way around you guys would be outraged.
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It is happening the other way around. See comment above.
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I've never heard so many people defend the actions of a brutal dictator.
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There are a lot of people in the US administration, huh? Oh, you're talking about Saddam.. my bad.
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When it's all said and done, ask the Iraqi people what they think. I'm pretty sure they're tired of building palaces and shrines to a man who beats them and starves their children.
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I would rather ask the Colombians, the North Koreans, the Turkmens, the Chechens, how many in Africa?, etc, etc. While your sentiment is appreciated, the absence of any tough policy against all the other dictators and tyrants of the world makes it really easy to question the purity of those sentiments.
